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10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Okay and ND beat them by 14.

Talking about their yardage total.

6 of those overtimes added 15 yards to that total so... congrats?

Yes congrats to UGA. Hey you still think we should not talk so rough about Ewers because he may not come back to play for Texas? 

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12 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

An online book released hypothetical 2nd round lines, it was 15.

I'm not a believer in Arizona's State's D at all. 

They've only played 2 offenses in the top 30 of OFEI (Kansas and UCF). They gave up 406 yards and 32 points to UCF. They gave up 411 yards and 31 points to Kansas. 

ASU's D and special teams are complete ass. That's a dream matchup for our offense. 

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Indiana is a JV team. Boise and Arizona State are in the same zip code.
Tonight was watered down. The quarters are going to be even worse in two of the games.  Boise and Arizona State have no business being in a real playoff. 
There should be 8 teams, that's it. TV and idiocy will take us beyond 12 games.  

12 is fine. You silence the have-nots by giving them berths and they lose 90% of the time but you gave them their shot. I’d like to see it go to 16 but no more than that.
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4 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I'm not a believer in Arizona's State's D at all. 

They've only played 2 offenses in the top 30 of OFEI (Kansas and UCF). They gave up 406 yards and 32 points to UCF. They gave up 411 yards and 31 points to Kansas. 

ASU's D and special teams are complete ass. That's a dream matchup for our offense. 

We’re still built to beat BigXII teams

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34 minutes ago, C-Man said:


12 is fine. You silence the have-nots by giving them berths and they lose 90% of the time but you gave them their shot. I’d like to see it go to 16 but no more than that.

This is really no different than NFL wild card games. Sometimes those go the same blowout way with a team that barely got in or played in a shitty division traveling on the road. Last season the Texans beat the Browns 45-14 and Tampa Bay won 32-9 over Philly. Most of the time, the home team wins. You also will have at least one home team lose tomorrow. 12-5 Cowboys were upset by the 9-8  Packers last year in Arlington  I just pray it's not us who loses tomorrow but someone is most likely going to that's hosting.

The real wild card will be the next round since the higher ranked team won't have any advantage except the bye. They don't even get to play at home except teams in closer proximity like Georgia and Oregon. Arizona State doesn't even get the benefit of playing locally (Fiesta Bowl). 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Yeah, normally SEC teams don't fall out of the ranking for losing to highly ranked SEC teams. But we weren't supposed to be good in the SEC so the narrative was the teams we were beating had to be trash. You can thank Texas for killing the SEC bias.

Texas was preseason Top 10.  How much better were we supposed to be?

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I had to turn it off because it was just becoming boring. I'm not a believer in ND, but I didn't think IU were going to beat them. After what I saw against tOSU, I lost faith in them. Good for them for making the playoffs. Something aggy can't claim. 

IU won 11 games. I can't even remember the last time that happened? Was it when they had Antwaan Randle El?

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5 minutes ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

One of the most boring “big” games ever. I can’t imagine ratings were great.

I'm guessing the ratings were phenomenal and as a 2nd your ass was watching weren't you?

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10 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

I had to turn it off because it was just becoming boring. I'm not a believer in ND, but I didn't think IU were going to beat them. After what I saw against tOSU, I lost faith in them. Good for them for making the playoffs. Something aggy can't claim. 

IU won 11 games. I can't even remember the last time that happened? Was it when they had Antwaan Randle El?

You’d have to go all the way back to never for an 11-win season. In 124 seasons of Indiana Football I believe this is the first season they ever reached 10 wins.

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44 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

I had to turn it off because it was just becoming boring. I'm not a believer in ND, but I didn't think IU were going to beat them. After what I saw against tOSU, I lost faith in them. Good for them for making the playoffs. Something aggy can't claim. 

IU won 11 games. I can't even remember the last time that happened? Was it when they had Antwaan Randle El?

Man, Randle El was electric in college. If he’d gone anywhere with a pulse, he would’ve won everything.

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2 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

You’d have to go all the way back to never for an 11-win season. In 124 seasons of Indiana Football I believe this is the first season they ever reached 10 wins.

Holy crap. Cigarette is actually a magician. Losses to two blue bloods with an 11-win season is nothing to snore at. If he had legit talent, imagine what he could do with it. 

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4 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Texas was preseason Top 10.  How much better were we supposed to be?

What I mean is we weren't supposed to be SEC ready. What happened to OU is what was supposed to happen to us by all he pundits. "Texas will be middle of the pack in the SEC". So when we came out pimp slapping them they had no choice but to say "Oh yeah but (insert random SEC team) isn't really that good. Wait til the play(insert random SEC team)". So everyone we played got downgraded worse than they used to because "If they lost to Texas who shouldn't be good in the SEC they must not be that good". The consensus is the SEC is a little down. Before we got here Ole Miss or Bama get in.

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IU was a victim of playoff greed.  This team's natural course was something like the Citrus Bowl where the Hoosiers might have caught an apathetic SEC team and end their story book season on a win.  But this way they had to play someone out of their league and they can't walk away feeling happy. 

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46 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

What I mean is we weren't supposed to be SEC ready. What happened to OU is what was supposed to happen to us by all he pundits. "Texas will be middle of the pack in the SEC". So when we came out pimp slapping them they had no choice but to say "Oh yeah but (insert random SEC team) isn't really that good. Wait til the play(insert random SEC team)". So everyone we played got downgraded worse than they used to because "If they lost to Texas who shouldn't be good in the SEC they must not be that good". The consensus is the SEC is a little down. Before we got here Ole Miss or Bama get in.

The SEC is down this year though.  And most pundits talked about how Sark built this team to be SEC ready.  We were number 1 in the country then got smacked on national TV and still worked our way back up to number 3.  
 

If anything I hope this leads to teams being judge by their team and not the conference they play in. 

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12 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

IU was a victim of playoff greed.  This team's natural course was something like the Citrus Bowl where the Hoosiers might have caught an apathetic SEC team and end their story book season on a win.  But this way they had to play someone out of their league and they can't walk away feeling happy. 

Okay big dog.

We want to see you show up against UGA before you start sipping your chocolate milk at the adults table. 

For the record I think you guys are damn good and a threat to make the title game - but let's fucking see it. 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

What I mean is we weren't supposed to be SEC ready. What happened to OU is what was supposed to happen to us by all he pundits. "Texas will be middle of the pack in the SEC". So when we came out pimp slapping them they had no choice but to say "Oh yeah but (insert random SEC team) isn't really that good. Wait til the play(insert random SEC team)". So everyone we played got downgraded worse than they used to because "If they lost to Texas who shouldn't be good in the SEC they must not be that good". The consensus is the SEC is a little down. Before we got here Ole Miss or Bama get in.

WTF are you talking about? All last year every media pundit and scout was talking about how we’re being built for sec through sarks recruiting. All the Texas. Every game this year we were talked about being sec built and ready? Like seriously what kind of fucking bubble do you live in where you can even say Texas wasn’t supposed to be sec ready? We were preseason favorites along with Georgia to be in sec title game. 
 

https://www.secsports.com/news/2024/07/2024-sec-football-preseason-media-poll-all-sec-team-announced

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4 hours ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

I had to turn it off because it was just becoming boring. I'm not a believer in ND, but I didn't think IU were going to beat them. After what I saw against tOSU, I lost faith in them. Good for them for making the playoffs. Something aggy can't claim. 

IU won 11 games. I can't even remember the last time that happened? Was it when they had Antwaan Randle El?

It’s never happened before. Ever.

IU didn’t play a strong schedule but other than Michigan, they crushed the teams they beat. They covered the spread handily in every game except for Michigan, tOSU, and now ND. It was kind of weird how during the game the announcers were critical of IU’s schedule while trumpeting ND’s schedule saying they beat Army, Navy, and Louisville. Ooh, aah. Whoopty-do.

ND’s loss to NIU was a case of overconfidence, thinking they could just roll their helmets out there and win the game. We can’t judge them by that. But I’m not sold on them being a competitor for the title. They have a history of being overrated and I’m not sure IU wasn’t a little bit intimidated by the brand and the big stage. Kurtis Rourke has played a lot better. If he hadn’t thrown the early pick and instead managed a TD, who knows? Not saying they would’ve won but some early success would’ve given them some confidence and momentum. I figured they’d score 21 points and still be in the game in the 4th qtr. I figured it would be about 28-21 around that time and a score by someone would cover the 51.5 pt total.

Big win for Marcus Freeman, though. I’m happy for him. 

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3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

They covered the spread handily in every game except for Michigan, tOSU, and now ND.

So against the three teams with a pulse that they played. 

3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But I’m not sold on them being a competitor for the title.

No one is sold on you either. Go get past Tenn. 

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2 hours ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

Yeah, that dude was amazing.  Imagine if he played today. Dude would probably be at tOSU

Maybe if Tressel of Meyer were coaching. Probably not with Ryan Day as head coach. Day seems to favor QB’s with a different…let’s say “profile.”

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Matt Hayes: Indiana's loss to Notre Dame was College Football Playoff mistake that can't happen again

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SOUTH BEND, Ind. ― The keepers of this magnificent sport say they’ll learn from the first show of shows, this new and unchartered college football postseason.  Let’s start by figuring out how in blue blazes Indiana got in the College Football Playoff in the first place. There will be plenty of time to lavish championship hype on Notre Dame if it can beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl quarterfinal. But this is an autopsy, a postmortem of Notre Dame 27, Indiana 17. So we begin with the obvious: there has never been a bigger miss than by the selection committee in the 11 years of the playoff. "This team earned the right to be here," said Indiana coach Curt Cignetti, words that sound better after two excuse-me touchdowns in the last 90 seconds of the game, when everyone in the joint wanted out of sub-freezing temperatures and into the warm embrace of celebration.

It doesn't change the reality that Indiana's inclusion in college football's postseason tournament was a monumental mistake. "I'm kind of glad it happened the way it did," Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman said of the late collapse, where Notre Dame led 27-3 before mistakes on defense (and a missed onside kick) led to two Indiana scores. "It's a chance for us to humble ourselves and get back to work as we get ready for the next opportunity." That next opportunity against Georgia will be a significantly heavier lift ― even if the SEC champions are forced to play backup quarterback Gunner Stockton. Because the difference between Georgia and Indiana is wider than the widespread arms of Touchdown Jesus. The CFP selection committee has made mistakes before, but never to this extreme.

Ohio State over Penn State in 2016 was bad. Notre Dame over Texas A&M in 2020 was worse. But Indiana over just about anyone — Alabama, Miami, South Carolina, Ole Miss — was recklessly negligent. The worst part of this unfolding mess on the first night of the heralded and shiny new postseason: everyone but the committee knew it. At what point Friday night did the 13-member committee start texting each other and admit they screwed the pooch? After Indiana’s first three-and-out, or its seventh drive that ended with no points, a punt or a turnover? After Notre Dame running back Jeremiyah Love wasn’t touched on a College Football Playoff-record 98-yard touchdown run, or after it was apparent that Indiana’s No. 1 rush defense gave up 28 more yards than its season average on one play?

But for a sputtering Notre Dame offense that consistently settled for field goals and left points on the field, the emasculation could’ve been much worse. "Part of life is learning how to deal with disappointment the proper way," Cignetti said. "And coming back a stronger person because of the experience." To be fair to Indiana, there have been other playoff blowouts ― but rarely were there times when those teams didn’t deserve to play in the games, or didn’t play a schedule worthy of inclusion. This is what happens when the selection committee becomes infatuated with a team and victories, when the four former coaches on the committee sit among the group and explain just how difficult it is to win 11 games against air. Or some other inane coaching cliche'.

Let’s review how this monstrosity developed, shall we? The committee had unbeaten Indiana ninth in the nation in the first ranking, an unusually high ranking for a team that hadn’t yet beaten a team with a winning record.  That ranking left Indiana with a three-game season: struggling Michigan, at Ohio State and Purdue. The committee essentially penciled in the Hoosiers from the jump. Again, we all saw this. We all watched the Hoosiers beat up on the Big Ten undercard, and roll through a non-conference schedule that consisted of one of the worst teams in the Bowl Subdivision (Florida International), one from the Championship Subdivision (Western Illinois) and Charlotte. Two of those three teams fired their coaches at the end of the season because, you know, they were terrible. 

We all saw this, but the CFP selection committee saw a team worthy of hosting a playoff game as late as 11 weeks into the season. By the time Ohio State beat Indiana and dropped the Hoosiers to No. 10, Indiana only needed to beat a truly horrible Purdue team (which also fired its coach) to reach the playoff. Indiana played one game of significance in the entire 2024 season — and lost by 23 points to an Ohio State team that didn’t even make the Big Ten championship game. The vaunted Hoosiers offense, the unit that was first or second in the nation in scoring all season long, scored 15 points against Ohio State. Indiana scored on the first drive of the Ohio State game, and didn’t score again until its last drive. In between, it ran 30 plays for eight yards. And we’re surprised when Indiana responds with this performance in its second game of significance? 

I don’t blame Cignetti, who stumped for his team week after week with unmatched bravado. I don’t blame the players, who played the teams in front of them and took care of business. But that doesn’t mean you’re one of the 12 best teams in college football. Because if it did, unbeaten Liberty would’ve made the four-team CFP in 2023. Officials from the SEC and Big Ten spoke last week during the Sports Business Journal Forum about looking at all levels of the playoff process. From format, to campus games, and yes, to the selection committee. Not only the metrics used by the committee, but if there’s a need for a committee at all.

“It’s one season, so I don’t like to be a prisoner of the moment,” said Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione. “But I think it’s incumbent upon us to always assess everything.” At the very least, the selection committee will be around for the final year of the current CFP media rights deal in 2025. But beginning in 2026, there will be a new format and possibly a new way to choose the teams. The keepers of this magnificent sport will work all offseason to find the answers for 2026. Because another Indiana can’t happen again.   

 

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2 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

IU was a victim of playoff greed.  This team's natural course was something like the Citrus Bowl where the Hoosiers might have caught an apathetic SEC team and end their story book season on a win.  But this way they had to play someone out of their league and they can't walk away feeling happy. 

Made the playoffs is like making the sweet sixteen in basketball, it’s not a trophy per se but there’s an accolade and a banner that goes with it. Much bigger imo than winning an also ran bowl game. Because honestly, now that we have the playoffs, I’m not really much interested in the tree fruit bowl games anymore. And I lost interest in the auto and lawn parts bowls a long time ago. 

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I actually agree IU belonged the point of the playoffs is make sure the have nots have a Cinderella chance. Sadly like someone else said, unlikely in football since it’s won on the OL/DL.

I like 12-16 teams BUT after auto qualifiers for conf champs then seed without BS conf champ shenanigans. Straight up 1-12/16, ready set go. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

WTF are you talking about? All last year every media pundit and scout was talking about how we’re being built for sec through sarks recruiting. All the Texas. Every game this year we were talked about being sec built and ready? Like seriously what kind of fucking bubble do you live in where you can even say Texas wasn’t supposed to be sec ready? We were preseason favorites along with Georgia to be in sec title game. 
 

https://www.secsports.com/news/2024/07/2024-sec-football-preseason-media-poll-all-sec-team-announced

Probably has a lot of Aggie friends/relatives and lives in Houston.

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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

What happened to OU is what was supposed to happen to us by all he pundits. "Texas will be middle of the pack in the SEC".

Literally no one, outside Texags, thought we'd be like OU this year or middle of the pack.

https://www.secsports.com/news/2024/07/2024-sec-football-preseason-media-poll-all-sec-team-announced

The Bulldogs received 165 votes to be crowned SEC Champion on December 7 in Atlanta at Mercedes-Benz Stadium, with Texas being picked to be the Bulldogs’ opponent in the Longhorns’ first season in the league. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5698922/2024/08/14/sec-college-football-standings-predictions/

2024 SEC football predictions: Georgia, Alabama, Texas make it crowded at the top

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10132728-sec-football-preview-and-predictions-for-2024-season

Tier 1: Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Ole Miss

 

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-predictions-every-sec-teams-final-record-in-2024-234876438/#2466993

TEXAS LONGHORNS

Projected record: 10-2, 6-2 (tie for 2nd)

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(Lauren Merola) Lane Kiffin calls out CFP committee after Notre Dame thumps Indiana: ‘Really exciting competitive game’

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No. 7 Notre Dame stymied No. 10 Indiana 27-17 in the first game of the expanded College Football Playoff on Friday night, much to Lane Kiffin’s dismay. The Ole Miss coach made his discontent with Indiana’s place in the Playoff, and the largely dull matchup, known on X. “Really exciting competitive game,” Kiffin said Friday night, tagging the College Football Playoff. “Great job!!”

The start of Notre Dame and Indiana’s matchup showed competitive promise, with two interceptions in the first three drives and a 98-yard touchdown run by Notre Dame running back Jeremiyah Love. But the battle dropped off from there. The Hoosiers didn’t reach the end zone until the final two minutes of the game, scoring two consecutive touchdowns after recovering an onside kick, to shrink the margin of defeat from 24 points to 10. Notre Dame’s defense held Indiana to its second-lowest scoring output of the season. Ole Miss saw its Playoff chances slip away on Nov. 23, when the Rebels fell 24-17 to Florida to collect their third loss — all within SEC play — on the season. The defeat came after a bye week, following the Rebels’ 28-10 victory over then-No. 3 Georgia on Nov. 9. Ole Miss’ other two losses came against Kentucky (4-8) and LSU (8-4).

Indiana (11-2) had a strong record amid a weak schedule, though it did beat FBS opponents by an average of 29.3 points. According to ESPN’s Football Power Index, the Hoosier’s had the 67th hardest schedule in the country, second behind Boise State — at No. 80 — of the 12 teams to make the Playoff. Ole Miss, along with Alabama (9-3), Miami (10-2) and South Carolina (9-3), were among the teams debated that would have put up a more vigorous fight against Notre Dame in the 12-team Playoff debut. The Fighting Irish advance to play No. 2 Georgia in the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 1.

 

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8 hours ago, immamac said:

I am here to eat crow. 

Indiana is fucking bad. Hope and optimism is completely misplaced there. 

 

And based on a great record against weak opponents, with mostly players he brought from James Madison, Indiana gave Cignetti a 10 year extension and huge fat raise. Hasn’t even been thru a couple of recruiting cycles or big ten seasons.  Another stupid BoT and AD jumping into a dumb contract after a few weeks of success and media hyping their coach for 2025 openings.  They’ll regret it.  

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14 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

And based on a great record against weak opponents, with mostly players he brought from James Madison, Indiana gave Cignetti a 10 year extension and huge fat raise. Hasn’t even been thru a couple of recruiting cycles or big ten seasons.  Another stupid BoT and AD jumping into a dumb contract after a few weeks of success and media hyping their coach for 2025 openings.  They’ll regret it.  

The good news is Indiana won't be in the conversation starting next year. They will be back where they normally are and Cignetti will only embarrass himself during the regular season since it's all they will have.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What a smug fuck. 

Cignetti said that last December when he was hired.  He was asked how he will be able to sell his vision of the culture to recruits, existing players, and transfers.  He said, "It's pretty simple.  I win. (pause) Google me."  IMO it is a fair response.  His record was 119-35 before getting to IU.  His JMU teams were 52-9 in 5 years.  Yes, he wins.  It is true.

Cignetti turned over the majority of the starting lineup.  He took the top players on his JMU team (OL, WR, RB, TE, DL, LB, CB), added a few players from Ohio (WR, QB), signed a WR from Texas Tech, an RB from Wake, a DB from Old Dominion, etc.

The talent level was clearly below Notre Dame.  That said, the team plays sound football.  They just got out-athlete'd, IMO.  There may be some comments about getting out-schemed, but I saw schemes that tried to mitigate IU's weaknesses.  Notre Dame exploited those mitigations.

I was hopeful for IU.  

It will be interesting to see how IU performs in the coming years. 

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30 minutes ago, satyanash said:

(Lauren Merola) Lane Kiffin calls out CFP committee after Notre Dame thumps Indiana: ‘Really exciting competitive game’

 

I love me some Lane Kiffin, but absolutely zero sympathy when you lose to Kentucky and Florida, and your OoC is absolutely trash.

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8 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

One of the most boring “big” games ever. I can’t imagine ratings were great.

Ratings are going to suck for all of this round except maybe Ohio St - Tenn.

Friday night and then two day games on a channel that hasn't had football in years going up against the nfl?

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

WTF are you talking about? All last year every media pundit and scout was talking about how we’re being built for sec through sarks recruiting. All the Texas. Every game this year we were talked about being sec built and ready? Like seriously what kind of fucking bubble do you live in where you can even say Texas wasn’t supposed to be sec ready? We were preseason favorites along with Georgia to be in sec title game. 
 

https://www.secsports.com/news/2024/07/2024-sec-football-preseason-media-poll-all-sec-team-announced

Like many of us, @Thatguy suffers from living around and/or working with too many aggy.

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4 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

IU was a victim of playoff greed.  This team's natural course was something like the Citrus Bowl where the Hoosiers might have caught an apathetic SEC team and end their story book season on a win.  But this way they had to play someone out of their league and they can't walk away feeling happy. 

I have to think they’re rather happy with the season, even with the ass kicking last night. They beat Michigan. They made the playoff. They have been completely irrelevant for a million years. Just giving their fans a glimpse into success of college football at the highest level has to be considered a massive win for the school. They had zero business in that game but considering where they came from? Yeah, they should walk away feeling happy. But I hope like hell they serve as a cautionary tale for the committee going forward. 

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1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Matt Hayes: Indiana's loss to Notre Dame was College Football Playoff mistake that can't happen again

 

the really funny thing is that the computers would have had IU in the playoff as well.  until everyone gets off the number in the loss column having a massive weighting, an 11-1 team from a major conference is getting it.

It all comes down to what Hayes said...playoff committee coach - "Do you know how hard it is to win X games?"

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I don't know that the playoff committee needs to do anything about IU's inclusion. They need to address seeding and strength of schedule in general, but not because of the result last night. Indiana had an unusual season that isn't likely to be repeated very often. They kicked the crap out of everyone except OSU. Even dominant teams can lose on an off night and most have a few close wins. It's almost shocking how well IU played this season given their talent level. They have a couple of 4 stars and a boat-load of unrated guys. They had less talent than the teams they played and won by an average of 21 points. When TCU made the championship game, they had more talent, were loaded with experience and still had several close wins aided by more than a bit of luck. That's a much more likely path to the playoffs than what Indiana did this year. And I'm sure we'll see more blowouts in the playoffs this year. Basically, don't design a system to guard against highly unlikely events. Focus on discouraging OOC schedules consisting of UMass and Furman.

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