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aggie08

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14 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I would be shocked if it was CIWS that engaged.  CIWS only engages threats with very specific flight profile and closing speed indexed to own ship.  It is a 100% self-defense weapon and cannot be used to engage targets headed towards other ships in company.  I highly doubt that a friendly F/A-18F would fly a path towards the CG that would meet engagement criteria for CIWS.  My Navy SWO speculation is that this smells a lot like VINCENNES incident where an operator had one contact hooked but was reading data for another contact and engaged with SM-2 based on the wrong data.    

But what country's piloted aircraft are we even shooting at without being shot at first? Do Yemen rebels even have piloted aircraft?

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3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

But what country's aircraft are we even shooting at without being shot at first?

Remember that they, the Houti's have been launching shit into the Red Sea for a bit now. It is an active theater, just not declared a war.

USN has been intercepting missiles weekly that are being shot at them and civilian shipping.

 

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Right, but do they even have piloted aircraft? Or just drones?

You can't tell from radar if an AC is piloted or not.  You can get clues from size and flight profile, but it can't distinguish piloted vs unpiloted.  Aegis is good, but not that good.  

But this also goes back to my theory... operator had one contact "hooked," somehow got mixed up, and made engagement decision based on data from another contact.  That's what happened with VINCENNES.

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Or is your theory that they had a drone or missile targeted but accidentally read the data from the F/A-18? Would the data from dissimilar targets share any similarities that would potentially explain an immediate red flag not being raised?

 

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Too late, you just answered. Thanks.
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34 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

You can't tell from radar if an AC is piloted or not.  You can get clues from size and flight profile, but it can't distinguish piloted vs unpiloted.  Aegis is good, but not that good.  

But this also goes back to my theory... operator had one contact "hooked," somehow got mixed up, and made engagement decision based on data from another contact.  That's what happened with VINCENNES.

The only thing I don't like about that theory is the two radar contacts would be coming from completely different directions.  

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9 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I would be shocked if it was CIWS that engaged.  CIWS only engages threats with very specific flight profile and closing speed indexed to own ship.  It is a 100% self-defense weapon and cannot be used to engage targets headed towards other ships in company.  I highly doubt that a friendly F/A-18F would fly a path towards the CG that would meet engagement criteria for CIWS.  My Navy SWO speculation is that this smells a lot like VINCENNES incident where an operator had one contact hooked but was reading data for another contact and engaged with SM-2 based on the wrong data.    

Makes sense.  I kept as far away from you SWOs as possible.   LOL

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This video has a good discussion by two experienced former-Navy pilots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYOsX2GpX4

Not a pilot, but imagine being basically on or near final approach, low and slow, at night, and you see a missile launch from a cruiser right under/in front of you. For the plane that was hit, the crew saw it coming and ejected pre-emptively. The second F-18 either dodged the second missile, and/or its guidance was terminated by the ship before it hit.  But his was all happening at short ranges so the missile flight time (and the time the crews had to react) would have been only seconds.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paper_jam said:

This video has a good discussion by two experienced former-Navy pilots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYOsX2GpX4

Not a pilot, but imagine being basically on or near final approach, low and slow, at night, and you see a missile launch from a cruiser right under/in front of you. For the plane that was hit, the crew saw it coming and ejected pre-emptively. The second F-18 either dodged the second missile, and/or its guidance was terminated by the ship before it hit.  But his was all happening at short ranges so the missile flight time (and the time the crews had to react) would have been only seconds.

I saw this hit my feed but haven't had time to listen to it all. They did mention that the Gettysburg fired two SM-2's, so it sounds like they fired on a returning flight - not just a singleton

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2 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

This video has a good discussion by two experienced former-Navy pilots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYOsX2GpX4

Not a pilot, but imagine being basically on or near final approach, low and slow, at night, and you see a missile launch from a cruiser right under/in front of you. For the plane that was hit, the crew saw it coming and ejected pre-emptively. The second F-18 either dodged the second missile, and/or its guidance was terminated by the ship before it hit.  But his was all happening at short ranges so the missile flight time (and the time the crews had to react) would have been only seconds.

 

 

I'm only surprised that Mooch didn't title the video "Deep Intel on Navy Shooting Down Itself."

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4 hours ago, FartingMonk said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/second-us-navy-fighter-jet-narrowly-avoided-being-shot-down-friendly-fire-incident-source

 

Gettysburg almost shot down 2 jets that night and they have confirmed they fucking fired missiles at them

Wow.  Unbelievable.  My original thought was that it wasn't a missile since they were able to eject.  The crew of the Gettysburg better hope that they never run into anyone from that squadron.  

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6 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Wow.  Unbelievable.  My original thought was that it wasn't a missile since they were able to eject.  The crew of the Gettysburg better hope that they never run into anyone from that squadron.  

For sure the Red Rippers and the Gettysburg are sworn enemies until the end of time.  

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