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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not having your starting QB in a playoff game and relying on a RS freshmen making his first career start greatly affected Georgia offensively. As bad as Beck has been this year he's still great at setting protections, going through progressions, etc.

Losing your starting QB is never good, but the backup played well enough given the circumstances. His turnover in the second quarter wasn't because he was inexperienced - he got drilled while attempting a pass. He also had a bomb hit a guy between the numbers and had several other good throws dropped. He's not the reason they lost. It's hard to win if you can't run the ball and your receivers can't catch. The sad part for Georgia was that the o-line issues weren't just mental mistakes that could get cleaned up in film review. They were just getting beat.

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17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
23 minutes ago, Texasrocks said:

Can we not pretend that Georgia lost because Carson Beck was out? They lost because their o-line got destroyed, their receivers can't catch, and they don't know how to stop a running QB. Also, Marcus Freeman punked Kirby Smart multiple times. Carson Beck wouldn't have changed any of that. And he sucked against Texas so I'm not sure why people assume he would have looked better against an excellent ND defense.

Not having your starting QB in a playoff game and relying on a RS freshmen making his first career start greatly affected Georgia offensively. As bad as Beck has been this year he's still great at setting protections, going through progressions, etc.

Let's not forget that Kirby with all of his great recruiting somehow got himself stuck having to go to the portal to get a transfer RB who refuses to pass protect.

ETN is a great runner but it's an incomplete player. They needed more than that this year with their issues at QB.

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25 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

Let's not forget that Kirby with all of his great recruiting somehow got himself stuck having to go to the portal to get a transfer RB who refuses to pass protect.

ETN is a great runner but it's an incomplete player. They needed more than that this year with their issues at QB.

They have holes just like most teams.  Saban was smart enough (see what I did there) to get out early and not face the inevitable decline that these marquee programs are going to face now that they can't money-whip kids under the table.  

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48 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not having your starting QB in a playoff game and relying on a RS freshmen making his first career start greatly affected Georgia offensively. As bad as Beck has been this year he's still great at setting protections, going through progressions, etc.

Georgia fucked around and found out. 

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34 minutes ago, Texasrocks said:

Losing your starting QB is never good, but the backup played well enough given the circumstances. His turnover in the second quarter wasn't because he was inexperienced - he got drilled while attempting a pass. He also had a bomb hit a guy between the numbers and had several other good throws dropped. He's not the reason they lost. It's hard to win if you can't run the ball and your receivers can't catch. The sad part for Georgia was that the o-line issues weren't just mental mistakes that could get cleaned up in film review. They were just getting beat.

Georgia is good enough with Beck to score 20 on ND. Stockton wasn't ready for the bright lights. NDs little 200 yards of offense wouldn't beat a Beck led Georgia team. 

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1 hour ago, Texasrocks said:

Can we not pretend that Georgia lost because Carson Beck was out? They lost because their o-line got destroyed, their receivers can't catch, and they don't know how to stop a running QB. Also, Marcus Freeman punked Kirby Smart multiple times. Carson Beck wouldn't have changed any of that. And he sucked against Texas so I'm not sure why people assume he would have looked better against an excellent ND defense.

We could, but they did. ND was able to throw a bunch of pressure blitzes on a rs fr QB who hadn't seen it before. They wouldn't have been able to do that against Beck with as much success IMO.

Difference in this game was the Stockton sack/fumble right before half that led to ND touchdown.  Changed the game completely. 

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3 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Game was decided by three plays. Etienne fumbling inside the red zone, Stockton fumble and KO return for TD.  At least a 17 point swing on those 3 plays.

According to the announcers, 4.  Because those 4 extra points if Georgia scores a TD instead of a FG after the sideline penalty would have made the difference in a 13 point game....

But boy did they keep going back to that play. 

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I have friends who went to other SEC schools, who spent the offseason talking about what the SEC would do to Texas in its first year. We just don't understand what it's like in the big bad SEC. 

 

Nobody realized all the talk about Texas not being SEC ready / would be humbled by the SEC was actually about OU and not us. 

Not like our HC was an SEC coordinator and OU took some ACC doofus coordinator.  Sark, Banks and Flood saw first hand what kind of athletes were needed to build an SEC contender.  Vegetables and his cast of losers got pantsed for being unprepared and broke. 

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

they better send muffin baskets .....

 

This is it fans. Mark this event as a tipping point for UT and other similar (and aspirational) schools that caused the collapse of conference affiliations. 

Not every program in the SEC or any other conference really competes against ND for recruits and coaches, but we do. And now despite achieving the same success, ND has $13M more to spend in continuing the arms race that we won't have, just because we're in a football conference. This amount is real money to football programs and the adults making serious decisions within them (omit aggy and Auburn here). The disparity will get even larger over time as the economics of selling the CFP continue to grow. 

Maybe some schools can benefit from conference affiliation. Does Vanderbilt recruit better than Rice or Tulane because they are in the SEC and can provide SEC level exposure to a level of talent that can't make it to top tier SEC programs? Yes, that helps. But what is the value of that to top schools? In prior years it was to have teams around so you could win a conference and be invited to your conference affiliated bowl game. Now the old conference/bowl game system is not crowning a champion. In fact, there are no conference champions left in the CFP Final Four.

The joining of the B1G and SEC into a single college football unit is now inevitable. The only remaining questions are: when, what other teams will be invited to join, and if there will be limits placed on joining that block the involvement of economically challenged programs like Mississippi State. But when it all goes down, some will point to this moment the shot heard 'round the world in the creation of a new major college football structure.

 

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23 minutes ago, CS88 said:

This is it fans. Mark this event as a quiet tipping point for UT and other similar (and aspirational) schools that caused the collapse of conference affiliations. 

I have zero doubt that the B1G and SEC powers, along with whatever B12 and ACC teams get invited to the inevitable party will exclude ND unless they play on the same level field.  This bullshit needs to stop.

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I think the only situation in which our SEC brethren would root for us is if we had come into the conference and gotten kicked around for a decade before beginning a slow ascent. If we had taken our sweet-ass time and taken our lumps before finally ascending and standing as the last SEC team remaining in a playoff, they might then deign to root for us.

Halfheartedly.

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We can't seem to face up to the facts
We're tense and nervous and we can't relax
They've forced us in to a real quagmire. 
We should move back to the dumpster fire

Conference Killer
Por favor por que?
Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away, oh-oh-oh

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4 hours ago, Napoleon said:

What I love about this narrative is that it will force the fans of certain SEC schools who -- lacking any ability to win a title on their own -- to root for us.

You know the schools of whom I speak.

I've already heard from an Arkansas alumnus who is going to swallow his bile and cheer for us over tOSU. This has already begun.

And they do this knowing that we would not reciprocate if things were the other way around.

Donald Duck Lol GIF

 

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and the beauty of it all is that the vast majority of Texas fans could not give two shits if they root for us.  Embrace the hate.  Conference loyalty is the dumbest thing in college sports, I want every one of them to lose and lose often.

Oh, I care, but only because of the schadenfreude (see above).

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14 hours ago, VaLonghorn99 said:

PSU must apologize for what went down over there. Or they will be perennial assholes of CFB forever and it's not fair for an entire state to pay for the fucktardness of a few who represented them. Do it PSU and let's move on

 

We joke about the cult of aggy -- they're mostly harmless goobers who have never won shit in anything. The PSU cult is a totally different animal.

 

13 hours ago, Helobious said:

Wanted one last shot at Georgia. If we do win it all there should be an asterisk next to our title. You can’t call yourself the “best team” if another team beat you twice

 

13 hours ago, Helobious said:

Without Beck I think we could handle them pretty well and would’ve won. Oh well. They have 3 losses and will have a tough time claiming the title if we do win it.

These are just unbelievably stupid posts back-to-back. Bravo, I guess.

 

13 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

You ever met PSU fans?  You ever been to Philly?  It’s 100% fair. 

PSU, yes. I actually like Philly as a town. Maybe not Eagles fans but the city is fun. Mostly.

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not having your starting QB in a playoff game and relying on a RS freshmen making his first career start greatly affected Georgia offensively. As bad as Beck has been this year he's still great at setting protections, going through progressions, etc.

kinda like Ewers, sorta

That OT 4th & forever TD pass was peak Quinn.

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2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

kinda like Ewers, sorta

That OT 4th & forever TD pass was peak Quinn.

Yep. Beck would've made Georgia much more competitive. Would they have beaten ND? I'm not 100% certain of that but the minute Beck was ruled out, I had Georgia losing in this round or the semis at least.

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49 minutes ago, CS88 said:

This is it fans. Mark this event as a tipping point for UT and other similar (and aspirational) schools that caused the collapse of conference affiliations. 

Not every program in the SEC or any other conference really competes against ND for recruits and coaches, but we do. And now despite achieving the same success, ND has $13M more to spend in continuing the arms race that we won't have, just because we're in a football conference. This amount is real money to football programs and the adults making serious decisions within them (omit aggy and Auburn here). The disparity will get even larger over time as the economics of selling the CFP continue to grow. 

Maybe some schools can benefit from conference affiliation. Does Vanderbilt recruit better than Rice or Tulane because they are in the SEC and can provide SEC level exposure to a level of talent that can't make it to top tier SEC programs? Yes, that helps. But what is the value of that to top schools? In prior years it was to have teams around so you could win a conference and be invited to your conference affiliated bowl game. Now the old conference/bowl game system is not crowning a champion. In fact, there are no conference champions left in the CFP Final Four.

The joining of the B1G and SEC into a single college football unit is now inevitable. The only remaining questions are: when, what other teams will be invited to join, and if there will be limits placed on joining that block the involvement of economically challenged programs like Mississippi State. But when it all goes down, some will point to this moment the shot heard 'round the world in the creation of a new major college football structure.

 

Hey pal, take a beat to breathe and relax. And then realize that while notre dame doesn’t share their bowl payout and Texas does, Texas also gets a share of the other sec bowl payouts.  Those payouts summed will shrink that gap. 
 

and, cfb has never been about equity.  

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21 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

I think the only situation in which our SEC brethren would root for us is if we had come into the conference and gotten kicked around for a decade before beginning a slow ascent. If we had taken our sweet-ass time and taken our lumps before finally ascending and standing as the last SEC team remaining in a playoff, they might then deign to root for us.

Halfheartedly.

We can’t know this because the other new entities from the last 35 years haven’t managed to get to the top yet. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Somehow -- and call me crazy -- but somehow I just don't see our conference brethren rooting for us against tOSU.

Actually Ohio state is universally loathed by the old time schools.  Same for Notre dame.  Same for pedo.  I have hated Penn state since 69 when fucking  pedorapist enabler paterno whined to no end that Texas Arkansas shootout for number 1 was a problem.  Fuck that douchebag.  

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13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Yep. Beck would've made Georgia much more competitive. Would they have beaten ND? I'm not 100% certain of that but the minute Beck was ruled out, I had Georgia losing in this round or the semis at least.

This situation is made worse by the portal and nil.  Texas is blessed with arch but most schools won’t have a 1a/1b QB or even a solid 2.  They will portal out and go where they can play.  

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8 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

Actually Ohio state is universally loathed by the old time schools.  Same for Notre dame.  Same for pedo.  I have hated Penn state since 69 when fucking  pedorapist enabler paterno whined to no end that Texas Arkansas shootout for number 1 was a problem.  Fuck that douchebag.  

Damn some of yall are old as hell.

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30 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Hey pal, take a beat to breathe and relax. And then realize that while notre dame doesn’t share their bowl payout and Texas does, Texas also gets a share of the other sec bowl payouts.  Those payouts summed will shrink that gap. 
 

and, cfb has never been about equity.  

The gap will grow, which is something that schools with sophisticated administrators understand. This is not a one year issue, but rather a systemic one. Looking to be made whole (or close to it) with sharing of lesser bowl game payouts is not a solution. Indeed, as the CFP expands, it may well pull the revenue out of these lesser bowls, especially as the content becomes less motivational.

We agree that CFB is not about equity. But that does not mean we acquiesce to being part of those treated unequally. The top teams will remain in the top because they protect their economics. We're all fortunate that our school gets this.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I’ve been across a number of 247 sites for cursory glances at threads mentioning Texas or Ohio State. Summary as follows:

Desperately Need OSU To Crush Texas:

-ATM, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas

Want OSU To Win:

-Bama, Georgia, LSU, Oregon, USC, Tennessee, Clemson, ?FSU?

Bizarrely Attached To Some Notion of Conference Brethren:

-South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss State

Need Texas To Win:

-Michigan 

It is truly absurd how many of these fanbases think Ohio State is some friendly try-hard while Texas is a big bad meanie that doesn’t deserve to still be playing. 

Texas was not joining the SEC for intellectual or academic reasons - that would have been either B1G or PAC (before it self-immolated).  It should be no surprise that the Big12 and SEC folks are morons.  The USC one, though, is strange - probably related to 2005.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have zero doubt that the B1G and SEC powers, along with whatever B12 and ACC teams get invited to the inevitable party will exclude ND unless they play on the same level field.  This bullshit needs to stop.

Agreed. That's going to be a part of the motivation here, to force ND to get on the same terms. They have never faced a situation where the "group" is bigger than them. Usually that group being another conference. That's about to change. Now it's going to be major college football against them. ND will fall in line, but not without first some of their own external theater for their own internal (alumni) needs. But they can't remain an independent if a newly formed super league won't allow them to be part of the championship.

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11 minutes ago, CS88 said:

Agreed. That's going to be a part of the motivation here, to force ND to get on the same terms. They have never faced a situation where the "group" is bigger than them. Usually that group being another conference. That's about to change. Now it's going to be major college football against them. ND will fall in line, but not without first some of their own external theater for their own internal (alumni) needs. But they can't remain an independent if a newly formed super league won't allow them to be part of the championship.

And yet with all their supposed advantage, the Domers won their last NC in (checks notes) ... 1988.

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Just now, C-Man said:

And yet with all their supposed advantage, the Domers won their last NC in (checks notes) ... 1988.

How they chose to allocate their resources is on them. Fortunately for us and others, they have not always chosen wisely. But more money allows more recoverable mistakes.

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4 hours ago, Texasrocks said:

Can we not pretend that Georgia lost because Carson Beck was out? They lost because their o-line got destroyed, their receivers can't catch, and they don't know how to stop a running QB. Also, Marcus Freeman punked Kirby Smart multiple times. Carson Beck wouldn't have changed any of that. And he sucked against Texas so I'm not sure why people assume he would have looked better against an excellent ND defense.

Are you just rehashing the Alabama talking points following the title game?

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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Texas earned about $270 million last year in revenue.   ND earned about $220 million.  I think we will be OK.

This is not a one year issue, but rather a systemic one. Other large programs see this too.

 

There is no need for us to carry other programs in the CFP era. We used to justify it before as a necessary part of being able to play for a championship. Economically we don't need a conference anymore, nor does any other blue blood. But the economic solution that maximizes return is not a collection of independents. The economic solution is a single super league.

 

The ND payouts this year take something that was academic and now makes it practical. And successful administrators live in the practical, or they are out of a job. Part of what makes CDC succuesful is his embrace of aggressive practicality. 

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