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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

I have friends who went to other SEC schools, who spent the offseason talking about what the SEC would do to Texas in its first year. We just don't understand what it's like in the big bad SEC. 

 

You're not the only one brother. My direct report group is me, two Pork grads, an Ole Miss grad, and a Georgia grad, and my boss's boss is a Bama grad. Thankfully, no aggy and my boss is a Texas grad. They've been talking shit for three years and we've been giving it back to them the last two weeks. It's cathartic.

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32 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Good point and I totally agree with you. 

Using your logic, I also believe that we can't declare ourselves the winner vs. Great Britain, since they won the majority of battles during the Revolutionary War. Sure, we won the last one, but they won almost all the others. 

We should have a rematch? 

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Good point and I totally agree with you. 

Using your logic, I also believe that we can't declare ourselves the winner vs. Great Britain, since they won the majority of battles during the Revolutionary War. Sure, we won the last one, but they won almost all the others. 

I like this analogy... like Washington, the Horns did strategic damage to UGA's redcoats while taking tactical losses.  Then Notre Dame (France) lends their weight to the fight and ultimately topples the (British) Bulldogs.

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3 hours ago, CS88 said:

The gap will grow, which is something that schools with sophisticated administrators understand. This is not a one year issue, but rather a systemic one. Looking to be made whole (or close to it) with sharing of lesser bowl game payouts is not a solution. Indeed, as the CFP expands, it may well pull the revenue out of these lesser bowls, especially as the content becomes less motivational.

We agree that CFB is not about equity. But that does not mean we acquiesce to being part of those treated unequally. The top teams will remain in the top because they protect their economics. We're all fortunate that our school gets this.

3 hours ago, CS88 said:

Agreed. That's going to be a part of the motivation here, to force ND to get on the same terms. They have never faced a situation where the "group" is bigger than them. Usually that group being another conference. That's about to change. Now it's going to be major college football against them. ND will fall in line, but not without first some of their own external theater for their own internal (alumni) needs. But they can't remain an independent if a newly formed super league won't allow them to be part of the championship.

All that fucking whining about Notre Dame and nobody is stopping other teams from going indie, achieving success, and getting a big(ger) payout.

And it’s the same crowd of people who whined about the Longhorn Network.

If schools want to be independent, let them be independent.  A whole lot of fans crying about Notre Dame are from schools whose teams are watching the playoffs at home.

If you can get paid being indie, more power to you.

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36 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm sorry but this is one of the greatest fucking things I've ever seen. I already liked this meme but this is flawless use of it. I can't quit watching. It's on the level of the American Hustle meme where aggy is Louis CK and Texas is Bradley Cooper.

Give whoever stitched this together an emmy.

I've watched it 20 times and find something new to enjoy on each watch.  Supremely confident South Carolina slays me.

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8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If schools want to be independent, let them be independent.  A whole lot of fans crying about Notre Dame are from schools whose teams are watching the playoffs at home.

If you can get paid being indie, more power to you.

No question, but they shouldn't be surprised if the top 64-ish teams break from the NCAA and leave ND out because they want a special deal.

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2 hours ago, CS88 said:

There is no need for us to carry other programs in the CFP era. We used to justify it before as a necessary part of being able to play for a championship. Economically we don't need a conference anymore, nor does any other blue blood. But the economic solution that maximizes return is not a collection of independents. The economic solution is a single super league.

The ND payouts this year take something that was academic and now makes it practical. And successful administrators live in the practical, or they are out of a job. Part of what makes CDC succuesful is his embrace of aggressive practicality. 

Are you some intern working for CDC?

You’re fixated on the playoffs, which should have happened decades ago, when the bigger story is that the portal and NIL stuff has finally come home to roost.  Your house is on fire and you’re worried about the fucking shrubbery out front burning down.

No longer will the fabled blue bloods be locking up 3/4-star talent 2-3 deep in their bench, when the guys who find out they might not play for a couple of years can hit the portal, start for a lesser team, and start collecting that sweet NIL money itIt away.

If you’re some decent recruit, for all of the sweet nothings whispered in your ears by the coaching staff, if you’re riding the bench out of the gate as a freshman, and you get to your sophomore year and are still behind somebody, and you realize that the world didn’t stop for you and they are recruiting hard at your position as well as hitting the portal for your position in case somebody better comes along, you will absolutely start thinking about the portal and NIL bucks elsewhere, because it’s all over your social media feeds.

The NIL and Portal are far, far more important than the playoffs.  We are about to see a whole lot of mid-tier teams fielding starters that would have been riding the bench at Texas, Bama, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, etc. and we are about to see a lot of top-tier teams having shallow benches.

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No question, but they shouldn't be surprised if the top 64-ish teams break from the NCAA and leave ND out because they want a special deal.

Everybody is too greedy and too paranoid to get 64 teams on the same page, and the TV money will push back as well.  It’s like herding cats.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

All that fucking whining about Notre Dame and nobody is stopping other teams from going indie, achieving success, and getting a big(ger) payout.

Andnits the same crowd of people who whined about the Longhorn Network.

If schools want to be independent, let them be independent.  A whole lot of fans crying about Notre Dame are from schools whose teams are watching the playoffs at home.

If you can get paid being indie, more power to you.

Whose sock are you?

This is old thinking. If we wanted to go independent as recently as two decades ago, we could have. But now independence won't be an option if a team wants to be part of the larger opportunity to compete for a national championship. This is not about ND, it's about $$. And the larger group of teams (us, the other two in the Final Four, and others) see this ND payment disparity issue for what it is, a problem (not just with ND, but others) that will only get more pronounced under the current system.

What I've described is just the next natural progression. It's looking forward, not backward. Same reason we moved to the SEC. It was to make more $$ collectively. The playoff's experiment is working to generate more $$ and buzz, as most expected. It took a lot of compromise to get there, some of that compromise is obvious today, like making the Cotton Bowl and other bowls playoff games. Some of it less obvious, like the deals made to get alignment of the schools.

Now that this has been seen the potency of this experiment, the schools will want more and sooner, rather than later. Part of that will be driven by concerns of blue blood teams that need to compete against ND for talent (players, coaches, administrators) being concerned about payouts like this year's. And part of the next round of compromise to make more $$ will be for there to be no "independent" teams and no conferences as we know them historically. Just one big league, with all teams earning the same rewards for achieving the same post season success. 

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Everybody is too greedy and too paranoid to get 64 teams on the same page, and the TV money will push back as well.  It’s like herding cats.

Who says it's 64? But either way, this thinking has already been ravished. Change will be driven by just a few who can and decide to lead. Others follow for their own survival needs, those that don't perish. Those few that can lead are the blue bloods seeing money left on the table here.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

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Wait. What were we talking about?

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3 hours ago, CS88 said:

This is old thinking. If we wanted to go independent as recently as two decades ago, we could have. But now independence won't be an option if a team wants to be part of the larger opportunity to compete for a national championship. This is not about ND, it's about $$. And the larger group of teams (us, the other two in the Final Four, and others) see this ND payment disparity issue for what it is, a problem (not just with ND, but others) that will only get more pronounced under the current system.

What I've described is just the next natural progression. It's looking forward, not backward. Same reason we moved to the SEC. It was to make more $$ collectively. The playoff's experiment is working to generate more $$ and buzz, as most expected. It took a lot of compromise to get there, some of that compromise is obvious today, like making the Cotton Bowl and other bowls playoff games. Some of it less obvious, like the deals made to get alignment of the schools.

Now that this has been seen the potency of this experiment, the schools will want more and sooner, rather than later. Part of that will be driven by concerns of blue blood teams that need to compete against ND for talent (players, coaches, administrators) being concerned about payouts like this year's. And part of the next round of compromise to make more $$ will be for there to be no "independent" teams and no conferences as we know them historically. Just one big league, with all teams earning the same rewards for achieving the same post season success. 

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2 hours ago, ztejas said:

I want a hot mixed-race 35 year old with nice tits and an ass but I don't want her too fit I want maybe some stretch marks and some character like she's been through a lot but she's ready to love and settle down and she enjoys a good 6.5 inch white peener and...

 

Wait. What were we talking about?

Even if she wanted to drown you in Town Lake?

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Reminds me, there was a poorly drawn cartoon of two guys talking one was labeled as the SEC and the other was Mizzou I’ve been trying to find without success.

It was something like this…

Frame 1: SEC guy says “So did you hear Texas and Oklahoma moving in soon” - blank face Mizzou guy

Frame 2: awkward silence-blank face Mizzou guy

Frame 3: silence, SEC guy looking frustrated - and still more blank face Mizzou guy

Frame 4: SEC guy yells “Get the Fuck OUT!” and Mizzou guy cringes

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10 hours ago, ztejas said:

I'm sorry but this is one of the greatest fucking things I've ever seen. I already liked this meme but this is flawless use of it. I can't quit watching. It's on the level of the American Hustle meme where aggy is Louis CK and Texas is Bradley Cooper.

Give whoever stitched this together an emmy.

Agreed. I watched this about 40 times last night. This is definitely up there with the American Hustle clip. Exactly what came to my mind. Absolutely flawless.

Edit: Aggy at the end gets me every time. 😂

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On 1/3/2025 at 12:34 PM, CS88 said:

This is not a one year issue, but rather a systemic one. Other large programs see this too.

 

There is no need for us to carry other programs in the CFP era. We used to justify it before as a necessary part of being able to play for a championship. Economically we don't need a conference anymore, nor does any other blue blood. But the economic solution that maximizes return is not a collection of independents. The economic solution is a single super league.

 

The ND payouts this year take something that was academic and now makes it practical. And successful administrators live in the practical, or they are out of a job. Part of what makes CDC succuesful is his embrace of aggressive practicality. 

Actually, most other schools benefit from being in a conference.   Alabama, OU, LSU, most assuredly benefit from being in a conference and they lack the size and resources to go independent.   Michigan, Ohio State, and Texas could go independent but few others can.  And that benefit can turn into a liability with the shifting landscape of college football conferences and base on the success of the programs.   I suppose I would like to see how all of these programs revenue has been relative to the industry for the previous 50 years through the good and bad years.  

 

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23 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I've watched it 20 times and find something new to enjoy on each watch.  Supremely confident South Carolina slays me.

UGA and USCe should've been swapped, IMO, but otherwise it's perfect!

aggy as the eye-rolling bitch who never performs in the limelight, center stage is definitely on brand.

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On 1/3/2025 at 12:34 PM, CS88 said:

This is not a one year issue, but rather a systemic one. Other large programs see this too.

 

There is no need for us to carry other programs in the CFP era. We used to justify it before as a necessary part of being able to play for a championship. Economically we don't need a conference anymore, nor does any other blue blood. But the economic solution that maximizes return is not a collection of independents. The economic solution is a single super league.

 

The ND payouts this year take something that was academic and now makes it practical. And successful administrators live in the practical, or they are out of a job. Part of what makes CDC succuesful is his embrace of aggressive practicality. 

My brother in Christ..."No need for us to carry other programs".....Texas just spent almost 30 years in the Big12 and won exactly one more title in the league than Kansas Fucking State. 

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