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8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My drinking level is so low these days and hangovers are so bad, I couldn't imagine the hangover with 10 drinks. Much less if I followed that up with a day of 10 more.

A friend of a friend was mentioning how he normally went through a case of beer per night. That can't be good for you.

10 drinks a day is completely befuddling to me and it’s hard to comprehend that 10 percent of Americans are living that way.  I’m in my forties and this year I started noticing that I would feel like shit after two beers with the grill on a weekend.  I cut it out completely from November through the New Year and noticed a real boost in general feeling.  I won’t stay tee-totaling but don’t plan to go back to even most weekends.

 

I swing by the “I’m an alcoholic” thread every so often and I have nothing but admiration for all of you taking this kind of thing on and helping others through. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

10 drinks a day is completely befuddling to me and it’s hard to comprehend that 10 percent of Americans are living that way.  I’m in my forties and this year I started noticing that I would feel like shit after two beers with the grill on a weekend.  I cut it out completely from November through the New Year and noticed a real boost in general feeling.  I won’t stay tee-totaling but don’t plan to go back to even most weekends.

 

I swing by the “I’m an alcoholic” thread every so often and I have nothing but admiration for all of you taking this kind of thing on and helping others through. 

I'm about to make a week-long work trip. I plan to cut out the rest of January starting now, with this trip bring the imperus. I'm too old to drink often anymore.

Just now, crash_davis said:

Alcohol causes cancer. Books make you gay. But guns don't kill people. Buy guns.

I will consider it.

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50 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We should have 2 GD threads -

Drunk, angry and ranting at every snap
Chill, high af and can barely follow along

"Guys, how are we in the 3rd quarter?! Is this a replay from an earlier game? I looked down at my phone on the first commercial after kickoff, and now it says 3rd qtr!" 

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21 minutes ago, Slacks said:

I'm about to make a week-long work trip. I plan to cut out the rest of January starting now, with this trip bring the imperus. I'm too old to drink often anymore.

I will consider it.

It came on strong for me in the past year.  I’d have leftovers from a weekend six pack but on Monday I’d start the week feeling like hammered dog crap.  No longer worth it. 

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yowza.  You could buy a pretty decent car for that monthly outlay.

And kick cigarettes, and you can afford a nice clean house in Colima a short bus ride from the beach.

Not to mention you can stop planning your day dodging into convenience stores all cramped over like a wounded lich-king who's suffering from a preventable crisis while croaking out "Gimme a carton of them Marlboro Reds" with a growly vocal affect like you're trying out for a speaking part on a Sons of Anarchy remake, mannnn.

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1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

And kick cigarettes, and you can afford a nice clean house in Colima a short bus ride from the beach.

Not to mention you can stop planning your day dodging into convenience stores all cramped over like a wounded lich-king who's suffering from a preventable crisis while croaking out "Gimme a carton of them Marlboro Reds" with a growly vocal affect like you're trying out for a speaking part on a Sons of Anarchy remake, mannnn.

Seems specific.

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5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It came on strong for me in the past year.  I’d have leftovers from a weekend six pack but on Monday I’d start the week feeling like hammered dog crap.  No longer worth it. 

I'm worse than you. I'll have one drink and it will screw up my sleep so I'm tired all the next day. Not hung over just tired.

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1 minute ago, Bevo said:

I'm worse than you. I'll have one drink and it will screw up my sleep so I'm tired all the next day. Not hung over just tired.

That's how it is for me. 3 drinks, especially later in the night, and I barely sleep. Maybe I'm technically asleep for a few hours but I feel like it was close to zero hours and I'm functionally at half speed the next day. And in terms of the original post about drinks and health (cancer), I'm fairly certain that poor sleep is bad for your health. 

For those that can handle more drinks, no judgement. I used to be able to but not anymore.

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3 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

And kick cigarettes, and you can afford a nice clean house in Colima a short bus ride from the beach.

Not to mention you can stop planning your day dodging into convenience stores all cramped over like a wounded lich-king who's suffering from a preventable crisis while croaking out "Gimme a carton of them Marlboro Reds" with a growly vocal affect like you're trying out for a speaking part on a Sons of Anarchy remake, mannnn.

When I lived in Warsaw (a place where drinking is less of an occupation than a vocation), I lived down the block from a grocery.  We’d had our first kid and nights mornings were hectic, I’d stop by lots of mornings and grab a pastry on my way to work. 
 

Often I’d see this well-put together woman close to retirement age, in winter with a fur coat, and she’d always rasp to the checkout girl “just four of my little red-headed children” in grandmotherly but gravelly Polish. The girl would hand over four airline bottles of red-topped bottom shelf Polish wódka, slug one at the checkout lane, and drop the others in her purse with a clink. 

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28 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

10 drinks a day is completely befuddling to me and it’s hard to comprehend that 10 percent of Americans are living that way.

I think some of the issue has to do with the definition of a drink: a 12-ounce can of regular beer at 5% alcohol by volume; a 5-ounce glass of wine at 12% alcohol by volume; a 1.5-ounce shot glass of distilled spirits at 40% alcohol by volume.

Pint of beer = more than a drink

Beer at greater than 5% abv = more than a drink

Wine in a water goblet (Mrs. Callo) = more than a drink

Higher proof bourbon = more than a drink

 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

When I lived in Warsaw (a place where drinking is less of an occupation than a vocation), I lived down the block from a grocery.  We’d had our first kid and nights mornings were hectic, I’d stop by lots of mornings and grab a pastry on my way to work. 
 

Often I’d see this well-put together woman close to retirement age, in winter with a fur coat, and she’d always rasp to the checkout girl “just four of my little red-headed children” in grandmotherly but gravelly Polish. The girl would hand over four airline bottles of red-topped bottom shelf Polish wódka, slug one at the checkout lane, and drop the others in her purse with a clink. 

I spent a relatively mild winter in France, and the lack of light had me holed up in cafes staying drunk just to be around warmth and people.

If I'd been farther east in Poland, I'd have needed an IV.

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44 minutes ago, Native Horn said:

This sucks.  Think of the bartenders!

The bars in my town mean there will be more time dedicated by bartenders to their onlyfans accounts.

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I spent a relatively mild winter in France, and the lack of light had me holed up in cafes staying drunk just to be around warmth and people.

If I'd been farther east in Poland, I'd have needed an IV.

So that is why Hemingway wrote about a well lit cafe.

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3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The bars in my town mean there will be more time dedicated by bartenders to their onlyfans accounts.

So that is why Hemingway wrote about a well lit cafe.

Cheery pubs with brass fittings and people are for the good-natured Czechs and Slovaks.  Farther east and north, it’s just clear whiskey wherever you are and hope you don’t pass out into a snowbank.  If I’d been a painter, I’d have done a series of Volga winter still life’s from my time in Russia— empty vodka bottles and mandarin peels frozen to a park bench. 

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1 minute ago, Parliament said:

Now do the Midwestern United States

Not super-familiar, but will give it my best:

Ohio: I would eat White Castle and join a club who work on model train sets.

Michigan: I would do my Han Solo Mexican Border Smuggling, except with something in Canada. Or that I'd take that thing to Canada.

Illinois: Listen to inlaws gripe about cold and wind. No wait, that'd be me. Ride actual trains.

Wisconsin: I would get free beer from people when mentioning my dad played high school ball catching Bart Starr passes. Would gradually start talking like an elf, like they do.

Minnesoooota, Dakotas, etc: No. Just no. Yeah maybe. Probably no.

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7 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The bars in my town mean there will be more time dedicated by bartenders to their onlyfans accounts.

So that is why Hemingway wrote about a well lit cafe.

Yeah, a friend used to say I was living like Hemingway. I thought he was complimenting me. I just now realize he meant I was a drunk.

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Cheery pubs with brass fittings and people are for the good-natured Czechs and Slovaks.  Farther east and north, it’s just clear whiskey wherever you are and hope you don’t pass out into a snowbank.  If I’d been a painter, I’d have done a series of Volga winter still life’s from my time in Russia— empty vodka bottles and mandarin peels frozen to a park bench. 

paging @RDCanecutter  Here is your next inspiration.

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57 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

not sure if serious. You're stuck on dividing your total weekend drinks by 7?

Well first of all I'd be guessing how many drinks I have on weekends and it varies, something I have a lot like on football weekends and sometimes very little or none on kid activity heavy weekends, so trying to estimate in general is hard, and seemingly unhelpful since it would almost certainly be wrong. Is it different if someone has 2 drinks a day, like almost every day, comparied to regularly having 6-8 on weekends? I assume that true binge drinking, like getting completely wasted every weekend is worse than 1-2 per day, but both seem pretty bad. I probably have a few too many some weekends but it's been a really long time since I've truly binge drank, like black out pukey drunk, and even then was a one off thing that really sucked.

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I drink quite a bit less than I used to.  Had a quite stereotypical binge drinking college experience, pretty much limited to weekends.  That evolved into having a drink or three most days in my thirties.  Started pulling back in forties.  Now I’m back to mostly weekends, with occasional drink for a work/social occasion mid-week.  I feel blessed to have avoided (or escaped from) problem drinking in my thirties.  I never had to drink to function, but it definitely had the potential in reflection.  I definitely suffer way more when over consuming.  Which age of course influences but my tolerance is way lower

Anyway, I am fine with warnings on alcohol.  My biggest issue is I think eventually these kinds of warnings get to California prop 65 situations where literally everything has a can cause cancer warning.  Further I am unaware of a product risk denial campaign by alcohol producers so it’s a bit dissimilar to tobacco.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My drinking level is so low these days and hangovers are so bad, I couldn't imagine the hangover with 10 drinks. Much less if I followed that up with a day of 10 more.

Counterpoint: if you're drinking 10+ drinks every day, you never have to experience a hangover.

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1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Not to mention you can stop planning your day dodging into convenience stores all cramped over like a wounded lich-king who's suffering from a preventable crisis while croaking out "Gimme a carton of them Marlboro Reds" with a growly vocal affect like you're trying out for a speaking part on a Sons of Anarchy remake, mannnn.

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I bet you get to meet a lot of nice simpatico women…

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I developed esophageal cancer in 2022.  I thought alcohol may have been a contributing factor. But my doc says no, not likely.  Alcohol consumption tends to result in squamous cell esophageal cancer.  I developed adenocarcinoma, which is more closely associated with acid reflux, which I did suffer from. Of course for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is my body can't handle it to any significant degree now that I have only half my stomach and just a part of my esophagus left, I've cut it WAY back, to almost nil.  

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3 hours ago, South Austin said:

Of course we all fudge the alcohol consumption question.  It's like going to confession back in my Catholic youth days.

"Forgive me Father, for it's been six months since my last confession.  Um . . . I cheated on a test . . . I, um . . . I used the Lord's name in vain . . . I was disrespectful to my parents.  . . . That's about it, Father.  [Leaves out copious amounts of sinful masturbation.]"

Masturbation is sinful?  Even copious amounts?

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3 hours ago, South Austin said:

Of course we all fudge the alcohol consumption question.  It's like going to confession back in my Catholic youth days.

"Forgive me Father, for it's been six months since my last confession.  Um . . . I cheated on a test . . . I, um . . . I used the Lord's name in vain . . . I was disrespectful to my parents.  . . . That's about it, Father.  [Leaves out copious amounts of sinful masturbation.]"

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

When I lived in Warsaw (a place where drinking is less of an occupation than a vocation), I lived down the block from a grocery.  We’d had our first kid and nights mornings were hectic, I’d stop by lots of mornings and grab a pastry on my way to work. 
 

Often I’d see this well-put together woman close to retirement age, in winter with a fur coat, and she’d always rasp to the checkout girl “just four of my little red-headed children” in grandmotherly but gravelly Polish. The girl would hand over four airline bottles of red-topped bottom shelf Polish wódka, slug one at the checkout lane, and drop the others in her purse with a clink. 

totally off topic, but how was living in Warsaw?  And how hot were the Polish chicks?

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