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  On 5/17/2018 at 3:10 AM, Firemans4Horn said:

What is England’s midfield going to look like? Hendo in a defensive 2 paired with dier/RLC with Alli playing the 10. 

 

Not very inspiring. 

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There seems to be no protest about the idea that the lizard has settled on a 3-4-2-1.  The consensus is this is a passing and possession style.  Only 1/3rd of the Prem is English, but the style of the Prem is just that - hold it, hold it, and hold it, through long series of precise, long-range passing, one touch, maximum velocity.  The Prem is probably the best passing league in the world.  Henderson is the new Roo, and paired with anyone, will be a massive risk.  I'm a Pool fan and know that he is not a replacement for Scholes.   The lizard is probably better off with both Dier AND RLC next to each other sans Hendo in a 4-man midfield, scrap the diamond, concede the middle in defense and rely on pace, youth, and superior possession.  It might work.  With no Hendo.  IMHO.

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For some reason I just don't trust Sterling in international competition. Consequently, I am of the opinion that English hopes rest on playing Kane, Vardy, and Alli together. A lot. I'm betting they won't until it's too late.

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One of Kane's best attributes is his constant whining to the refs. A captain needs that quality. I have no idea if the refs actually understand him, but he's always in their ear. 

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It's actually a compliment. Some guys are better at it than others. Paul Scholes was great at it. Gerrard wasn't. I don't think Henderson is particularly good at it because he yells instead of talking the ref into a call. 

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  On 5/22/2018 at 1:23 PM, APMP said:

For some reason I just don't trust Sterling in international competition. Consequently, I am of the opinion that English hopes rest on playing Kane, Vardy, and Alli together. A lot. I'm betting they won't until it's too late.

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You're crazy. I think that Sterling might be the key to England's attack. Frankly I think England is doing something wrong if Kane and Vardy are both on the field because their games are so similar. You need someone like Sterling to go along with Kane or Vardy to make things happen.

To me Dele-Sterling-Kane is 3/4 of the way to England recreating Tottenham's very good attacking quartet of Dele-Eriksen-Son-Kane. Two are obvious, Sterling is a better version of Son. The problem is that England doesn't have a distributor like Eriksen. But I think Sterling's play-making can in some ways make up for that and he can key the attack utilizing Dele and Kane as pass targets or decoys to get his own shot.

It's going to be interesting to see how Southgate plays this team and runs them out there.

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  On 5/22/2018 at 5:58 PM, Captain Ron said:
You're crazy. I think that Sterling might be the key to England's attack. Frankly I think England is doing something wrong if Kane and Vardy are both on the field because their games are so similar. You need someone like Sterling to go along with Kane or Vardy to make things happen.
To me Dele-Sterling-Kane is 3/4 of the way to England recreating Tottenham's very good attacking quartet of Dele-Eriksen-Son-Kane. Two are obvious, Sterling is a better version of Son. The problem is that England doesn't have a distributor like Eriksen. But I think Sterling's play-making can in some ways make up for that and he can key the attack utilizing Dele and Kane as pass targets or decoys to get his own shot.
It's going to be interesting to see how Southgate plays this team and runs them out there.
Yeah maybe I just miss the days of playing two strikers together up top and letting them go to work...
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  On 5/22/2018 at 5:58 PM, Captain Ron said:

You're crazy. I think that Sterling might be the key to England's attack. Frankly I think England is doing something wrong if Kane and Vardy are both on the field because their games are so similar. You need someone like Sterling to go along with Kane or Vardy to make things happen.

To me Dele-Sterling-Kane is 3/4 of the way to England recreating Tottenham's very good attacking quartet of Dele-Eriksen-Son-Kane. Two are obvious, Sterling is a better version of Son. The problem is that England doesn't have a distributor like Eriksen. But I think Sterling's play-making can in some ways make up for that and he can key the attack utilizing Dele and Kane as pass targets or decoys to get his own shot.

It's going to be interesting to see how Southgate plays this team and runs them out there.

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I seem to recall England employing a center CM who couldn’t stop winning MOTM due to his service to the England forwards during a 7-match Euro Qualifying won streak...but he probably wasn’t available.

 

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  On 5/22/2018 at 5:58 PM, Captain Ron said:

 Frankly I think England is doing something wrong if Kane and Vardy are both on the field because their games are so similar.

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I have to say, this is the first time I've heard this. Vardy seems more like a "beat the last man on a lobbed pass and run like hell" striker and Kane is more of a target man.

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  On 5/22/2018 at 6:06 PM, Goo Punch said:

I seem to recall England employing a center CM who couldn’t stop winning MOTM due to his service to the England forwards during a 7-match Euro Qualifying won streak...but he probably wasn’t available.

 

 

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  On 5/22/2018 at 6:06 PM, Goo Punch said:

I seem to recall England employing a center CM who couldn’t stop winning MOTM due to his service to the England forwards during a 7-match Euro Qualifying won streak...but he probably wasn’t available.

 

 

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Christ, man. Change the record.

England can play a 4-2-3-1 with Kane up top, Sterling and Lingard on the wings and Alli tucked in behind Kane. Dier and Hendo in the 2. Sterling, Lingard and Alli make it a very fluid 3 too. 

I wouldn't sleep on Loftus-Cheek either. He can provide a lot of attacking creativity too. I like England's attacking options. Southgate needs to unshackle them though, and let them create.

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Yeah games 3 years ago don't really matter.

 

I certainly don't question that England has talent to have a strong attack. I was talking just a specific style. But your plan is spot on. As noted, we really don't know what Southgate has planned.

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  On 5/22/2018 at 6:14 PM, Cheeseweasel said:

I have to say, this is the first time I've heard this. Vardy seems more like a "beat the last man on a lobbed pass and run like hell" striker and Kane is more of a target man.

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agreed here. two fairly different styles IMO.

they could work together, but it would likely mean kane dropping off to create space for vardy to run in behind. if southgate is going to play one up top then kane is it.

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  On 5/22/2018 at 7:13 PM, Captain Ron said:

Yeah games 3 years ago don't really matter.

 

I certainly don't question that England has talent to have a strong attack. I was talking just a specific style. But your plan is spot on. As noted, we really don't know what Southgate has planned.

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I just read Southgate likes to play 3 at the back so that'll probably take Lingard out of the starting XI. 

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  On 5/22/2018 at 3:48 PM, Jograves said:

One of Kane's best attributes is his constant whining to the refs. A captain needs that quality. I have no idea if the refs actually understand him, but he's always in their ear. 

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So you're saying that he's sure to be sold to Barcelona before the end of the summer?

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  On 5/22/2018 at 5:47 PM, Jograves said:

It's actually a compliment. Some guys are better at it than others. Paul Scholes was great at it. Gerrard wasn't. I don't think Henderson is particularly good at it because he yells instead of talking the ref into a call. 

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Henderson's Geordie accent doesn't help

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  On 5/22/2018 at 6:14 PM, Cheeseweasel said:

I have to say, this is the first time I've heard this. Vardy seems more like a "beat the last man on a lobbed pass and run like hell" striker and Kane is more of a target man.

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The Lizard won't do it, but Vardy in front of Kane equals death to all but France and Spain.

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DANKESCHOEN JIVE

love me some confirmation bias...

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Barring injury, the 31-year-old has been included in every England squad since his debut in 2015, earning a total of 21 caps so far. In them 21 appearances, Vardy has been on the score sheet on seven occasions, including scoring the Three Lions' only goal of the game in their last outing against Italy in March. 

He also scored during his debut in a major international tournament, when he netted the equaliser against Wales in Euro 2016. Considering the striker has been used as a substitute in ten of his 21 appearances - then his goal scoring record of one in three is pretty impressive. 

Working out this season's shot conversion for England's striking options at the World Cup, Vardy comes out well on top. The Leicester man has a conversion rate of 27.3% (18 goals from 66 shots), compared to 15.4% for Kane (28 goals from 181 shots), 10.3% (six goals from 58 shots) for Marcus Rashford and 16.1% (five goals from 31 shots) for Danny Welbeck.

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