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1 hour ago, PTINS said:

Not calling anyone out, this applies to most of the comments in this thread...

Ignorant, adjective -

not having enough knowledge, or information about something.

Perhaps a remedial understanding of the history and evolution of college football would help some of you.

If not for Street, the Wishbone offense probably gets scrapped. The Wishbone glorified running backs and Quarterbacks like never before, ushering in one of the greatest eras of college football. 

 

"He's a Longhorn Legend"

As the only undefeated Texas QB with more than 10 wins in history, Street is probably the only Texas QB that never gave fans a reason to bench him.

Street changed college football.  We started off 0-1-1 and then let Street run the wishbone.

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8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If Quinn wins a championship:

1. Vince - One of the best QBs in CFB history
2. Quinn - A big time throw to advance, historical stats, and would have 1 title.  
3. Street - Some big time throws and won two national titles
4. Colt - His accomplishments as a QB have been posted in this thread in regards to historical standpoint in NCAA
5. Layne - self explanatory

Colt at 4, especially with Quinn above him, is laughable

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3 hours ago, Iceman said:

If I had to win one game I know who the fuck I'd pick.  I also know who won the most games.

This is a part that is a curious subject but plays an important part for me when ranking a player and greatness. When it come to QB, specifically, the "He’s got this" feeling in me is the standard. When I'm honestly not worried if a 2 minute drive is need to win the game, because I'm confident the QB on the field is going to get it done. Almost more than a feeling a knowledge based on prior experiences with that QB.

As for QBs I personally experienced.

VY was king, and it's not fucking close. VY carried the team. VY defined FAFO.

Next would be Colt. A tad different in that it felt like he elevated the energy of the team. I wasn't concerned about Colt getting it done, I knew he would.

Next while his record in nowhere close to Colt, Sam or VY James mother fucking Brown always gave me that same confidence.

After him Major Applewhite would be my pic. Moxy, it's cliche and over used word, but Major had it and I believed in him.

I loved Sam and I knew Sam would run head first into a wall, but my confidence in his ability (likely due to his supporting cast) wasn't as high as the others.

Quinn falls in behind those. This isn't a stats or team performance aspect. It's gut feeling. I never expect or know Quinn will get it done, I hope he can and think he MIGHT

And yes this is absolutely subjective, but not 1 person here doesn't agree with me in the broad terms. Who you think that about is where we may differ.

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6 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

No, I'm not. I just have a difference of opinion. Not that it belongs in this thread to begin with. What is the fucking criteria? There isn't any, it is all subjective thereby it is just fucking opinion. I have mine, you have yours thereby I'm wrong because you own the place. No need to be a dick. 

So, it doesn't matter what the stats are? How do we choose who is the greatest, who belongs on that list? Is it favorite number? You can't say, no one is saying.

Vince IMHO was the greatest, why, because he put the team on his back and did whatever was needed to win. Colt was second as he eventually did the same thing until he got injured. 

I didn't watch Street play and neither did you so all I have to go by are statistics. Those don't look very good outside of wins. That includes running the football. All that being said it isn't fair to compare them because it is different eras that had completely different expectations for QB play. James Street was never asked to go dominate the other teams defense and win a football game. he was never asked to show the ball 40 times and run it 15 in one game. It just isn't a fair comparison and you know it. I already said pre-modern football he was the greatest QB in longhorn nation. What else is it you want me to concede? I can't in good faith say overall he is high on that list and I'm not sure many other people are either.

If I have to include him based on football that I have watched in my lifetime with what I know about how the game is currently played, he is behind a number of QBs. Quinn being one of them. 

You just have a stupid opinion.  You admit you are ignorant but still insist that you have a valid opinion.

As you say yourself.  Street carried the team.  He did what needed to be done to win.  As a wishbone QB, he made all the decisions.  He changed the entire game.  Almost everyone adopted the wishbone within a decade.  I never saw him live, but I saw him on TV and just knew he would do it.  20-0 and an MNC along with a top rating in Sagarin in the first year (when the team was 0-1-1 without him starting).  That's a stat you conveniently ignore.  He got the nation focused on UT.   Notre Dame came out of 40 years of bowl hibernation.  We were the undisputed national champs in the 100th year of college football.

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32 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

This is a part that is a curious subject but plays an important part for me when ranking a player and greatness. When it come to QB, specifically, the "He’s got this" feeling in me is the standard. When I'm honestly not worried if a 2 minute drive is need to win the game, because I'm confident the QB on the field is going to get it done. Almost more than a feeling a knowledge based on prior experiences with that QB.

As for QBs I personally experienced.

VY was king, and it's not fucking close. VY carried the team. VY defined FAFO.

Next would be Colt. A tad different in that it felt like he elevated the energy of the team. I wasn't concerned about Colt getting it done, I knew he would.

Next while his record in nowhere close to Colt, Sam or VY James mother fucking Brown always gave me that same confidence.

After him Major Applewhite would be my pic. Moxy, it's cliche and over used word, but Major had it and I believed in him.

I loved Sam and I knew Sam would run head first into a wall, but my confidence in his ability (likely due to his supporting cast) wasn't as high as the others.

Quinn falls in behind those. This isn't a stats or team performance aspect. It's gut feeling. I never expect or know Quinn will get it done, I hope he can and think he MIGHT

And yes this is absolutely subject, but not 1 person here doesn't agree with me in the broad terms. Who you think that about is where we may differ.

I am not putting Street in because I didn’t see him and I know 0 about how he compared to his contemporaries. 
 

1- VY- clearly left college football as the best QB in the country

2- Colt- Heisman finalist.. Junior was freakish. 500+ yards rushing. Over 75% comp, 34 TDS, 8 ints… was he the best QB college country? I think so, but it was certainly a debate 

After that there is a big drop in my eyes. 
 

3- Ehlinger - guy would do anything to win. You need a 4th down conversion. Bam Bam Sam will get it. Responsible for 41 TDs as a sophomore and 39 as a Junior. Very good college Qb, but nobody ever said he was the best QB in the nation

4. Ewers- he can pass Ehlinger. Similar to Elhinger. Very good QB, but never in the discussion as the best QB in the country. I maybe discounting him, because he has Sark and Sam had Herman. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am not putting Street in because I didn’t see him and I know 0 about how he compared to his contemporaries. 
 

1- VY- clearly left college football as the best QB in the country

2- Colt- Heisman finalist.. Junior was freakish. 500+ yards rushing. Over 75% comp, 34 TDS, 8 ints… was he the best QB college country? I think so, but it was certainly a debate 

After that there is a big drop in my eyes. 
 

3- Ehlinger - guy would do anything to win. You need a 4th down conversion. Bam Bam Sam will get it. Responsible for 41 TDs as a sophomore and 39 as a Junior. Very good college Qb, but nobody ever said he was the best QB in the nation

4. Ewers- he can pass Ehlinger. Similar to Elhinger. Very good QB, but never in the discussion as the best QB in the country. I maybe discount him, because he has Sark and Sam had Herman. 

I'd don't disagree with your take in the broader terms. In ranking I'd put Sam 3rd behind Quinn 4 then Major and James Brown. Not all time but in my life time. I watched Peter the Great but mostly OUsux games. I was in HS and too busy getting drunk, dropping acid and trying to get laid to watch that much college football. 

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27 minutes ago, bullet said:

You just have a stupid opinion.  You admit you are ignorant but still insist that you have a valid opinion.

I said I have my own opinion. You are entitled to have yours. I haven't criticized anyone elses opinion, why are you in here attacking me, GFY asshole.

 

28 minutes ago, bullet said:

As you say yourself.  Street carried the team.

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't, you just made that up. As a matter of fact, I posted stats suggesting the contrary. How many TDs did Texas score in his two years as a starter? He had 20, total. That is a minuscule percentage of the offense.  The QB from Navy, this year running about as close to an offense as you can compare in modern times had a better season than Streets' two years as a starter combined.

For his time he was great. I can't compare him in modern football, the numbers don't work. The QB position has way more importance in  football now and it isn't even close. IMO he belongs in a different category. You want to lump him in with a bunch of modern era QBs, have at it. I won't because it isn't fair to him. He deserves to be higher. He deserves to be at the top of his own category. 

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Street is interesting because he was playing the position at a time when the game was really changing; he captained  the wishbone to perfection and could make the throws when it counted.  But in 1969, the two All-American QBs were Jim Plunkett and Archie Manning who were playing the position in a way modern-day fans would recognize.  
 

What’s wild is that over 20 years earlier Layne was putting up much bigger numbers on the ground and through the air than Street was. And his numbers were very, very good for his era and his pro career bore out his talent. 
 

A lot of this comes down to how you weight championships versus stat lines versus dominance at the position, and also how much you weight overall career.  As a fan, I completely get strong bias toward the person at the helm when you win it all.  As an outsider, I lean towards dominance relative to their competition and a dash of overall career.  I’d put Dan Marino over Ken Cavanaugh (had to look him up, 1976 Pitt QB) or Peyton over Tee Martin.

I’d rank them:

1. Vince 

2. Layne 

3. Colt (very close)

4. Street 

5. Ewers

 

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26 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Street is interesting because he was playing the position at a time when the game was really changing; he captained  the wishbone to perfection and could make the throws when it counted.  But in 1969, the two All-American QBs were Jim Plunkett and Archie Manning who were playing the position in a way modern-day fans would recognize.  
 

What’s wild is that over 20 years earlier Layne was putting up much bigger numbers on the ground and through the air than Street was. And his numbers were very, very good for his era and his pro career bore out his talent. 
 

A lot of this comes down to how you weight championships versus stat lines versus dominance at the position, and also how much you weight overall career.  As a fan, I completely get strong bias toward the person at the helm when you win it all.  As an outsider, I lean towards dominance relative to their competition and a dash of overall career.  I’d put Dan Marino over Ken Cavanaugh (had to look him up, 1976 Pitt QB) or Peyton over Tee Martin.

I’d rank them:

1. Vince 

2. Layne 

3. Colt (very close)

4. Street 

5. Ewers

 

How are QBs judged in the nfl? By super bowls. 

 

that’s why Tom is considered the goat followed by Montana and now Mahomes. Guys like Lamar who put up great stats but will never win a Super Bowl come and go as the years go by. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How are QBs judged in the nfl? By super bowls. 

 

that’s why Tom is considered the goat followed by Montana and now Mahomes. Guys like Lamar who put up great stats but will never win a Super Bowl come and go as the years go by. 

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly are legends who will be remembered as all time NFL greats.  Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler are not.  
 

Theres more that goes into it, Brady and Mahomes and Montana are all not just multiple champions, they are/were widely recognized by peers as the best at what they do.  And I’d argue college is even harder to get to the top of the heap— you only have four years max to do it, and really three for most of college history. Teams also we-rent built around you like with franchise QBs.  There is a lot more that’s chance.  

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I do agree that quarterbacking is more than passing stats and you shouldn't get tunnel vision there. It's about command of the offense and leadership of the team too. They're judged on team success in a way other positions just aren't - ask Dan Marino or Eli Manning.

I do think Vince and Colt stand alone. You could talk me into Layne at that tier; obviously it's different having never seen him play and the fact that it's barely the same sport anymore. Those guys were the total package of individual greatness and leadership driving team success in a way a Street, Ewers, Ehlinger, Brown, etc. were/are not.

Honorable mention to Gardere simply because 4-0 against OU is legendary and unlikely to be matched with where the sport is going.

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46 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly are legends who will be remembered as all time NFL greats.  Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler are not.  
 

Theres more that goes into it, Brady and Mahomes and Montana are all not just multiple champions, they are/were widely recognized by peers as the best at what they do.  And I’d argue college is even harder to get to the top of the heap— you only have four years max to do it, and really three for most of college history. Teams also we-rent built around you like with franchise QBs.  There is a lot more that’s chance.  

Eli Manning is as average a QB to have ever played the pro game and is a hall of fame finalist because he got crazy hot on 2 Super Bowl runs. I hate to simp for BOW but there's definitely something to that point.

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4 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Eli Manning is as average a QB to have ever played the pro game and is a hall of fame finalist because he got crazy hot on 2 Super Bowl runs. I hate to simp for BOW but there's definitely something to that point.

Nah, Eli’s star seems dimmer than it is because he isn’t Peyton and because of some truly great QBs in the era.  He was a 4X Pro Bowler and his passer rating is above guys like Elway and Aikman.  I wouldn’t put him as a first ballot HoFer and he might linger around before getting in but he isn’t average, he’s in the Hall of Very Good. 

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19 hours ago, Helobious said:

Go look up UT’s statistical record holder lists. Not even top 5, top 10. Look at passing yards, passing TDs, rushing yards, rushing TDs, total offense, single-season, career, game. Any of it. Let me know if you see Street or Layne’s name  pop up even once on any of those lists.

I'm beginning to understand the hatred...

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8 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Eli Manning is as average a QB to have ever played the pro game and is a hall of fame finalist because he got crazy hot on 2 Super Bowl runs. I hate to simp for BOW but there's definitely something to that point.

There is something to the idea that people use team accomplishments to judge QBs. I do not think it is the main component of judging QBs though. It is a tertiary element to me. You have to be very good to great at what you do first. Not every NC QB or Super Bowl winning QB is considered great. You start 15 years in the NFL you are going to be a borderline Hall of Famer just for consistency and availability. Eli has 4 Pro Bowl and 15 year of starting in the NFL. Phillip Rivers and Eli are similar. It will be interesting to see if Rivers gets in

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20 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

You are making my point for me, you can't compare the two for multiple reasons. Will Levels was a better passing QB than James Street.........Fact. James Street was a better Option QB than Will Levis(why he is in this conversation who the fuck knows)In the modern game of football, James Street is playing football at Navy or Army.

19 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

All that being said it isn't fair to compare them because it is different eras that had completely different expectations for QB play.

 

It's like you're so close but still missing it.

 

10 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I do agree that quarterbacking is more than passing stats and you shouldn't get tunnel vision there. It's about command of the offense and leadership of the team too. They're judged on team success in a way other positions just aren't - ask Dan Marino or Eli Manning.


This. The QB position is one of the most unique in all of sports - it's not just about a number - passing yards, QB rating, Super Bowls, Heismans, National Championships, etc - it's a complete package evaluated in totality and inclues a lot of intangibles that don't show up in the stat sheet. You can't have tunnel vision on anything, it has to be a compete picture, but compared across history and against contemporaries.

1. Vince
2. Street
3. Colt
4. Lane

Get back to me in a few weeks for placement of Ewers when this is all done.

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1.  VY

2. Street

3. Colt

4. Applewhite 

5. Ewers

 

Bobby Lane should probably be in list but I never saw him play and can only go by what I am told and read.

VY needs no explanation.

Street ran a brand new offense that was being developed on the fly but he had to read the defense to determine which of the three options gave the offense the best opportunity to be successful. Much like the RPO game today.

With Colt under center Texas always had a chance to win the game rarely if ever was he the reason for a loss.

Applewhite was just a winner, not the most talented or fastest he just found a way to put Texas in a place to win.

Ewers has all the tools but something is missing. I can't put a finger on it but in a game winning situation I'm never as comfortable he will get it done. Maybe it his nonchalant demeanor but Ewers never shows the fire  and drive that propel his teammates to play better in tough times. VY and Colt seemed to thrive and will their teams to victory under those conditions. It was almost like they knew something the other team didn't. I never have that feeling with Ewers. 

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28 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

You made your list, I have mine. We disagree, so what. If that bothers you it is on you not me.

The title of the thread isn't "Best QB since 1998," though. The point is to discuss the best ALL-TIME QBs, which by definition needs to include Layne and Street.

 

36 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

1. Vince
2. Street
3. Colt
4. Lane

Get back to me in a few weeks for placement of Ewers when this is all done.

This is the right order. The next one down would be James Brown, and some combination of Applewhite, Simms and Ehlinger. 

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12 minutes ago, BB65 said:

 It was almost like they knew something the other team didn't. I never have that feeling with Ewers. 

He's on-record as being that guy these last two weeks, setting coverages and audibling into plays for scores. Maybe something is changing or starting to click?

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4 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

The title of the thread isn't "Best QB since 1998," though. The point is to discuss the best ALL-TIME QBs, which by definition needs to include Layne and Street.

Ok, so you obviously don't realize this thread didn't exist when the conversation started in the Quinn Ewers thread. I didn't start the thread, I didn't name the thread, my posts were moved into this thread. 

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32 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Ok, so you obviously don't realize this thread didn't exist when the conversation started in the Quinn Ewers thread. I didn't start the thread, I didn't name the thread, my posts were moved into this thread. 

a fair point here, appreciate the clarity.

 

said with love, you're wrong about Street, tho :).

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58 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

He's on-record as being that guy these last two weeks, setting coverages and audibling into plays for scores. Maybe something is changing or starting to click?

I hope you are right but i meant that in a different way. Its more a body language/confidence thing. Maybe it goes back to the IT factor. As I said in my original comment I cant put my finger on it. The great QBs in history wanted the game to be on their shoulders in the last few minutes and took their games to a higher level during that time. They didn't always win but you could tell they weren't afraid of the moment or afraid of making mistakes. Ewers never changes, what you see in the first quarter you get in the last two minutes. You never see that sense of urgency. Maybe that's his way of staying calm in the moment but I wonder if that negatively affects his teammates. Maybe it just a personality trait.

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10 minutes ago, BB65 said:

You never see that sense of urgency. Maybe that's his way of staying calm in the moment but I wonder if that negatively affects his teammates. Maybe it just a personality trait.

Yeah. It's clearly a personality trait; we've got three years of sideline tape on him now. From my outside view, his teammates seem to really like him - folks celebrate together, warm-ups are lively, etc. So I'm hopeful that his stoic demeanor is a strength, that it serves to calm the crew. You don't have to be fiery and loud to lead, but you do have to lead. Again, I'm hopeful.

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Texas passing leaders:

Career Yards

1 Colt: 13,253

2 Sam 11,436

3 Ewers 8,845

4 Applewhite 8,353

5. James Brown 7.638

Single Season

1. Colt: 3859

2. Sam 3,663

3. Colt 3,521

4. Ewers 3,479

5. Applewhite 3,357

Career TD passes

1. Colt 112

2. Sam 94

3. Ewers 66

4. Major 60

5. Simms 58

Single season TDs

1. Colt: 34

2. Sam: 32

3. Colt/Ewers 29

5. Colt: 27

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

My struggle with moving Simms or Applewhite up over Ewers is lack of major wins - they have a bowl win a piece against MSU (lol) and LSU(missing starting QB) , no major OOC wins of note , not even a division championship 

Getting a major win in those days was tough. It was tougher just 1 year ago. I know people will disagree with me, but I do not put ASU or Clemson in that category. They are playoff wins, but vs double digit underdogs. It know blow outs happened in BCS and prior playoffs, but it was rare to see games where someone had massive talent advantages. Its become more NCAA basketball like.

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18 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

My struggle with moving Simms or Applewhite up over Ewers is lack of major wins - they have a bowl win a piece against MSU (lol) and LSU(missing starting QB) , no major OOC wins of note , not even a division championship 

Da fuq? Did I just imagine 1999 and 2001?

And dude - 2001, you might want to look up the Holiday Bowl from that year.

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4 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Da fuq? Did I just imagine 1999 and 2001?

And dude - 2001, you might want to look up the Holiday Bowl from that year.

The one against an 8 win Washington team , maybe im jaded by modern number inflation but thats not crying out major win to me  

edit : they were ranked 21st in the country, and had just obliterated by Miami 

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37 minutes ago, BB65 said:

You never see that sense of urgency.

I don't recall VY showing a sense of urgency. The dude was dancing on the sideline. I would consider that being about as calm as you can get. I would prefer the QB to be calm. I want everyone  who is in charge of any situation that causes stress to at minimum show as sense of calmness and control otherwise they probably aren't cut out to lead in that situation. People who don't remain calm in stressful situations more frequently piss down their leg.

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On 1/6/2025 at 10:59 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

You do know that Street has hit the most famous pass in program history to win a national title in a game dubbed game of the century?

The University of Texas Wishbone, motherfuckers.  

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I think in addition to stats, championships and records, a look how QB is comped with their peers is important. It’s not perfect, but it mitigates the stat stuffers and game managers. Who were the great players at their position?

Vince Young
Colt McCoy
Bobby Layne

These three were the top QBs in college when they played. All three clearly were the best players on the team and a top tier QB among their peers. Were all americans, won awards and got Heisman votes.

Then you get to good QBs. They’d lead good teams or good offenses and were one of the best at their position in conference.

Major
Ehlinger
James Street- Probably your Mt Rushmore

Stat Stuffers
Chris Simms
Quinn Ewers-Can get into top 4 status with two strong performances. Hes just too often a liability or injured. Also, surrounded by talent.

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1. VY - Because superman in cleats has never been bestowed upon anyone else.

2. Street - Because he was an undefeated national champion and excelled in the system he was in.

3. Colt - Because he made the team better and won games.

4. Ewers - Because has won some big games BUT he's at this spot ONLY IF he wins the national championship.

Else

4. Marty Cherry - Because if we're going on stats this motherfucker was slaying some major pussy while in school.

That's all I got. 

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On 1/6/2025 at 11:45 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

If Quinn wins a championship:

1. Vince - One of the best QBs in CFB history
2. Quinn - A big time throw to advance, historical stats, and would have 1 title.  
3. Street - Some big time throws and won two national titles
4. Colt - His accomplishments as a QB have been posted in this thread in regards to historical standpoint in NCAA
5. Layne - self explanatory

 

if quinn transfers and plays another season at another school, he has zero ut legacy  sucks but he was not liked / hated by the ut fan base, win or lose 

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57 minutes ago, Davis Lane said:

1. VY - Because superman in cleats has never been bestowed upon anyone else.

2. Street - Because he was an undefeated national champion and excelled in the system he was in.

3. Colt - Because he made the team better and won games.

4. Ewers - Because has won some big games BUT he's at this spot ONLY IF he wins the national championship.

Else

4. Marty Cherry - Because if we're going on stats this motherfucker was slaying some major pussy while in school.

That's all I got. 

Puting Marty Cherry for his taco skills on your list and neglecting Matt Nordgren is like making a top 5 list and forgetting Vince Young.

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