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22 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Chance Mock...

Bro.. Matt Nordgren modeled and now runs a venture capital firm. I won't speak to quantities but I'm really fucking confident Matt wins the quality test by big margin. He was dating Audrina Patridge in 2010 go ahead and Google her and the rest of his women. He was on the Bachelor. That is dirt track racers vs Formula 1. 

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19 hours ago, bullet said:

Street changed college football.  We started off 0-1-1 and then let Street run the wishbone.

I never saw Street play, obviously seen lots of clips, but I know he ran the option, won out, and threw a no-hitter (!). So I feel like if he were 19-21 yr old today it is a solid bet he would be a stud of a "modern era" QB.

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For games I've seen in person or televised it's

1. VY

2. Colt

Then everyone else.

Didn't see Street or older guys play. No idea. Different era.

I'm partial to James Brown no lower than 5 as far as big games, and long-term impact.

SWC offensive player of the year in 1995? I think.

Won the last SWC championship and first Big 12 title, and his success and beating Nebraska helped change the narrative around Texas. It helped attract big time players coming back to Texas, and frankly, top African-American players.

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In the bad, bad old days when I practiced in Lubbock (ca 1984), I had played a round of golf at Hillcrest Country Club with a group of friends.  I had never played there before.  After the round, we settled in to a table at the 19th hole for some braggadocio and to settle up. An older gent, already several libations in to his post-round festivities was directly behind me, holding court with a bunch of similarly aged old jocks.  (Not ex-jocks, there's no such thing)I recognized him immediately, but none of my Raider friends did.  I had the pleasure of a few minutes of conversation with him, and I hold those memories dear.  He was delightful. He was drunk enough to be hilarious, but not drunk enough to be obnoxious.  Years later, when business was good, my family moved in to a rambling old house on 24th street in the Tech Terrace area.  The neighbor lady from the beautiful house three down from us on the corner came strolling past, checking out the new riff-raff, I'm sure.  We visited for a second, and I introduced myself to her.  She said "I'm Carol Layne-you know, Bobby's widow.  He built this house".  So yes, Bobby's in my top three. 

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On 1/6/2025 at 9:46 PM, Longhornlove said:

I said I have my own opinion. You are entitled to have yours. I haven't criticized anyone elses opinion, why are you in here attacking me, GFY asshole.

 

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't, you just made that up. As a matter of fact, I posted stats suggesting the contrary. How many TDs did Texas score in his two years as a starter? He had 20, total. That is a minuscule percentage of the offense.  The QB from Navy, this year running about as close to an offense as you can compare in modern times had a better season than Streets' two years as a starter combined.

For his time he was great. I can't compare him in modern football, the numbers don't work. The QB position has way more importance in  football now and it isn't even close. IMO he belongs in a different category. You want to lump him in with a bunch of modern era QBs, have at it. I won't because it isn't fair to him. He deserves to be higher. He deserves to be at the top of his own category. 

You said Vince and Colt carried the team and that made for a great QB.  Street was 20-0.  He carried the team.  I was using your argument for what makes a great QB.  You don't even understand the wishbone and how important the QB and his decision making and timing was in that offense.

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16 hours ago, Codaxx said:

There is something to the idea that people use team accomplishments to judge QBs. I do not think it is the main component of judging QBs though. It is a tertiary element to me. You have to be very good to great at what you do first. Not every NC QB or Super Bowl winning QB is considered great. You start 15 years in the NFL you are going to be a borderline Hall of Famer just for consistency and availability. Eli has 4 Pro Bowl and 15 year of starting in the NFL. Phillip Rivers and Eli are similar. It will be interesting to see if Rivers gets in

Terry Bradshaw had 4 Super Bowls in 6 years.  While a great QB, nobody considers him at the very top.

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On 1/6/2025 at 2:02 PM, Longhornlove said:

LOL at the cheerleader doing backflips, on the field after the long pass.

People I would like to see interviews with about this game:

James Street - RIP, obvious...and Randy 

David Arledge - got more mentions than anybody on Texas team not named Street, I think.

Bill Montgomery - obvious, great passer, played near mistake free ball until the two interceptions

Chuck Dicus - was he this good all the time?  At least nine catches. 

Coach Campbell and sons- especially what it was like in the next to last game of their careers together with Dad? 

Cheerleader dude 

Clarinet girl who couldn't even play, she was so overcome with emotion

Colonel Sanders- didn't know until just now he was at the game, wow!

Vincent DiNino - LHB director.  everything was so much more up tempo back then.  noticed in the fourth quarter LHB played Grandiose during the Hogs Offensive possession, didn't stop for the snap, and drowned out the hogs fans doing a woo pig sooie chant. 

So LHB drowned out about 40,000 fans!

Of course I realize those people are all dead most likely.  I guess cheerleader dude and clarinet girl might still be alive.  

Already saw interview of Royal, when he re-watched the game one night with the PBS station in Austin, I think late 1970s.  He offered lots of good commentary that night.  

 

 

 

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One other thing, wrt QBs.  At Texas we have always had to have a QB carry the team, when we won the NC.  Obvious, right? 

VY, Colt, Street all carried the team at a NC level.  IMO, Colt was about three GD/Mack decisions from winning two NCs.  

a. GD/Mack  decision to have Colt QB sneak 2 or 3 times into the teeth of the KState line the week before he got injured against Aggy.  Not sure which year this was, probably 2007, definitely not 2009.  It weakened his shoulder/neck area no doubt.  

b. GD/Mack decision to have Colt run the ball against 'bama.  

c. GD/Mack  decision to not tell Colt to slow down the tempo just a bit so we could leave less time on the clock against Tech. 

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2 hours ago, bullet said:

e carried the team.  I was using your argument for what makes a great QB.  You don't even understand the wishbone and how important the QB and his decision making and timing was in that offens

Statistically he didn't carry them. He had more turnovers than touchdowns. I know math is hard but that is a negative number Bub.

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Damn this thread is fucking infuriating. There are three points of comparison at play in QE vs. Street. 

1. Best stats vs. Greatest. Big difference! 

2. Points per game... isn't that a key stat for all you stat fanboys?

3. Revolutionary QB. Who was a truly revolutionary QB and who has best flashy stats?

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1. Best stats vs. Greatest.

-- There is a huge difference between best QB with flashy yardage stats .... and greatest QB with fucking titles and undefeated. 

 Biggest difference between Street and Ewers?

-- Given 4 shots to win against Washington last year: Street hits a fucking pass to win the game!  (Same with VY: we all know he gets UT a score to win game). 

-- Or Street runs it in himself like he did with first TD vs. Arky in 1969. One of the most epic QB runs in UT history. 

-- Street was not only undefeated, but won two of the very biggest games of an entire decade.

That's the difference -- a playmaker, clutch performer in EPIC games. No losses, no disappearing acts, no sitting on bench looking lost. Cool 60's sideburns, no redneck mullet. Lol.

Just a damn fucking big-game winner. Every time. 20-0. That's an all-time great.

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2. Points per game.

Sure, QE hit the pass to save this season vs. ASU. Epic play, no doubt. All due credit. 

-- If QE leads UT to title, he will likely move into #3 spot behind VY and Street. Titles matter for greatness vs. stats. QE vs Colt is another post.

-- But QE's also been completely shut down in other big games (TCU 2022, Georgia 2024) leading to key losses on national TV. QE looked utterly lost. That never happened with Street. 

-- And QE's offense is not scoring any more points per game than Casey and Card! 

-- If QE is so great, why isn't offense scoring more points than Casey? When Street took over the wishbone, the offense scoring exploded for his two seasons. QE takes over and points/game stays same.

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3. Street was a revolutionary QB. 

-- Street led an innovative offense that truly revolutionized college football.

-- Considered by ESPN to be the most important offense of all-time. And Street showed everyone how to do it. 

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TLDR: Summary.

Street was 20-0, won MNC, won the most EPIC national games of decade, and was the UT QB who showed everyone how to run a revolutionary college offense. Plus, Street had those cool 60's sideburns!

For all his stats, QE can't sniff that. 

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On 1/6/2025 at 9:03 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Street is interesting because he was playing the position at a time when the game was really changing; he captained  the wishbone to perfection and could make the throws when it counted.  But in 1969, the two All-American QBs were Jim Plunkett and Archie Manning who were playing the position in a way modern-day fans would recognize.  
 

What’s wild is that over 20 years earlier Layne was putting up much bigger numbers on the ground and through the air than Street was. And his numbers were very, very good for his era and his pro career bore out his talent. 
 

A lot of this comes down to how you weight championships versus stat lines versus dominance at the position, and also how much you weight overall career.  As a fan, I completely get strong bias toward the person at the helm when you win it all.  As an outsider, I lean towards dominance relative to their competition and a dash of overall career.  I’d put Dan Marino over Ken Cavanaugh (had to look him up, 1976 Pitt QB) or Peyton over Tee Martin.

I’d rank them:

1. Vince 

2. Layne 

3. Colt (very close)

4. Street 

5. Ewers

 

After scrolling through a thread of completely regarded opinions, it was encouraging to finally see someone get the top four order right. 

All of the posts ignoring Street or Layne because they don’t know anything about them are stupid. Who gives a shit about a list that only considers a person’s own lifetime and experience.  My three year old granddaughter’s list is 1. Ehlinger 2. Ewers. Does anyone give a shit? No. Quit wasting our time.

Layne and Street were fantastic. If you don’t know that then crack open a book or type something into ChatGPT and pull your head out of your ass.

This post nailed the order, except I’m not sure about Ewers at 5. I think that’s right but need to think about the fringe QB’s. The two most underrated in the discussion are James Brown and Carlisle.

 

 

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You know what is crazy to think about that we've all thought about but never in the grand scheme of all time greatest QBs in program history? Colt getting hurt vs Bama....think about it.

 

If he doesn't get hurt and we go on to win that game he'll have as many titles as Street and VY with the added statistical leader in nearly every passing category for the program. In the scheme of NCAA at the time he was also the winningest QB in the sports history and the 2nd most accurate QB in the sports history. He's also top 25 in the sports history in passing yards and touchdowns.

 

IMO all the above coupled together would have made him the best QB in program history. That makes it an even bigger what if that I never really thought about until this thread.

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Statistically he didn't carry them. He had more turnovers than touchdowns. I know math is hard but that is a negative number Bub.
You know why you're getting so much shit for your opinion? Because it's fucking stupid. Here's a stat,

People who agree with you: Helobious
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4 minutes ago, Paco said:

You know why you're getting so much shit for your opinion? Because it's fucking stupid. Here's a stat,

People who agree with you: Helobious

Not actually getting that much shit minus a few groupthink assholes who fail to accept the fact someone has their own  individual thoughts on a particular subject. That is this site and society in general. Until QE came thru in the clutch last week, I got way more shit in his thread. Which is where this discussion originated. Coincidence? I highly doubt it. I'm not one to fall in line just because. I think for myself and speak my mind. I won't let you or anyone else tell me what to think. If you are triggered by my opinion, that is on you not me.

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18 hours ago, bmbmd said:

In the bad, bad old days when I practiced in Lubbock (ca 1984), I had played a round of golf at Hillcrest Country Club with a group of friends.  I had never played there before.  After the round, we settled in to a table at the 19th hole for some braggadocio and to settle up. An older gent, already several libations in to his post-round festivities was directly behind me, holding court with a bunch of similarly aged old jocks.  (Not ex-jocks, there's no such thing)I recognized him immediately, but none of my Raider friends did.  I had the pleasure of a few minutes of conversation with him, and I hold those memories dear.  He was delightful. He was drunk enough to be hilarious, but not drunk enough to be obnoxious.  Years later, when business was good, my family moved in to a rambling old house on 24th street in the Tech Terrace area.  The neighbor lady from the beautiful house three down from us on the corner came strolling past, checking out the new riff-raff, I'm sure.  We visited for a second, and I introduced myself to her.  She said "I'm Carol Layne-you know, Bobby's widow.  He built this house".  So yes, Bobby's in my top three. 

This is a cool story, but I have to protest the use of too many annoying terms, including "braggadocio", "libations", "gent", "jocks", and "riff-raff". Please update the 19th century language to at least the 20th. thank you.

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8 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

TLDR: Summary.

Street was 20-0, won MNC, won the most EPIC national games of decade, and was the UT QB who showed everyone how to run a revolutionary college offense. Plus, Street had those cool 60's sideburns!

For all his stats, QE can't sniff that.

Counterpoint

The Slowmo-QuinnSpin® is ahead of its time.

After we win it all, it'll dominate the landscape for years.

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This is a cool story, but I have to protest the use of too many annoying terms, including "braggadocio", "libations", "gent", "jocks", and "riff-raff". Please update the 19th century language to at least the 20th. thank you.

Bon Scott says fuck off

 

 

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On 1/7/2025 at 10:43 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

Major is way down the list for me, sure he's the feel good story but no.

Major was a bad motherfucker.  He’s probably the #1 QB on the “exceeded his own natural talent” list.  He’s a scrappy ass winner.

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13 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Ehlinger had top recruiting classes every year compared to his competition when he was here and didn’t accomplish shit. 

I recall his freshman year he threw a pick or fumbled on crucial end of game drives at least 4 or 5 times. But he did seem to get more clutch after that season.

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