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1 minute ago, troph said:

Texas. Could argue as high as 4th. Could see him 5th but for the haters I can’t see him dropping below 7th. Modern era I’ll say since 1960.

street, VY and colt are clearly ahead. Some can say Sam. After that it’s hard to put anyone else ahead of him with a conf champ, SEC title game, two semifinal games and two top 5 finishes. His winning record isn’t too shabby either. 

I agree with that. 

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6 minutes ago, troph said:

Texas. Could argue as high as 4th. Could see him 5th but for the haters I can’t see him dropping below 7th. Modern era I’ll say since 1960.

street, VY and colt are clearly ahead. Some can say Sam. After that it’s hard to put anyone else ahead of him with a conf champ, SEC title game, two semifinal games and two top 5 finishes. His winning record isn’t too shabby either. 

Modern era? Assuming that means 1990 onward

1 Vince
2 Colt
3 Quinn - team success gives him nod over Sam
4 Sam - just raw stats gives him the edge over Brown 
5 James Brown
6 Simms
7 Applewhite

IMO

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3 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

I agree with that. 

He doesn’t deserve any hate and the only reason he gets any is because how close he got to the goal and how he flashed moments of brilliance like 4th and 13, then made bonehead throws or self sacks to take away from his moments of brilliance. But no emotion? He was on paper fantastically successful on the 40. And he deserves to be remembered that way.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Modern era? 

1 Vince
2 Colt
3 Quinn - team success gives him nod over Sam
4 Sam
5 James Brown
6 Simms
7 Applewhite

IMO

Street is 1 or 2. Otherwise I agree though I’d probably have simms and applewhite tied but that’s splitting hairs.

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4 minutes ago, troph said:

Street is 1 or 2. Otherwise I agree though I’d probably have simms and applewhite tied but that’s splitting hairs.

I just went back 30 years with that ranking.

 

This was my original post and I numbered for those who don't know how tier list work. I honestly just put Gardere at 12 because of OU games.  I put weight toward national championships as well and that's why I have Duke at 5 over the modern guys.

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20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Modern era? Assuming that means 1990 onward

1 Vince
2 Colt
3 Quinn - team success gives him nod over Sam
4 Sam - just raw stats gives him the edge over Brown 
5 James Brown
6 Simms
7 Applewhite

IMO

I have Quinn behind Sam. Quinn may finish his last 2 years on teams that set the record for NFL draft picks for Texas.. 

Last 2 years for Colt - 10 draft picks

For Sam - 8 draft picks

For VY- 9 picks

Quinn had 11 last year and that number is likely to be met or exceeded this year. His number is going to be in the 20s. 

List of Texas Longhorns in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

VY and Colt were All-American (Colt unanimous)

Ewers and Sam peaked at 2nd team all-conference. There is no argument on #1 and #2 for modern era Texas Qbs.  I didnt see Street, so I cannot comment on him. I think anyone digging in their heels on players they never seen should be ignored. Colt and VY are legends. Sam and Ewers are good players, but not legends. I have Sam over Ewers, big reason being the 17 turnovers this year, but I understand that is an argument.  

 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

You need to go back to posting hotties. Mkay? Thx.

Well then, send me some sexy pics of you to post! Or, ya know, post them yourself. 

I've reached my limit of internet pic downloads this week. I blame Al Gore and MarkyZ. 

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Well then, send me some sexy pics of you to post! Or, ya know, post them yourself. 

I've reached my limit of internet pic downloads this week. I blame Al Gore and MarkyZ. 

Lemme think about that…. 🤔 

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Lemme think about that…. 🤔 

Got to the MarkyZ thread for the details on how he collaborated with Al Gore to throttle pic downloads to help reduce TikToks value and market share. Also, why the lack of pic downloads led to distracted Texas WRs who dropped all the passes from Quinn that should have been caught. It's an epidemic and nobody was hit harder than Texas outside Georgia.

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22 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Got to the MarkyZ thread for the details on how he collaborated with Al Gore to throttle pic downloads to help reduce TikToks value and market share. Also, why the lack of pic downloads led to distracted Texas WRs who dropped all the passes from Quinn that should have been caught. It's an epidemic and nobody was hit harder than Texas outside Georgia.

I’m so out of the loop. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I just went back 30 years with that ranking.

 

This was my original post and I numbered for those who don't know how tier list work. I honestly just put Gardere at 12 because of OU games.  I put weight toward national championships as well and that's why I have Duke at 5 over the modern guys.

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I agree with your first tier, and I’m fine with Carlisle at 5, but I’d put Applewhite and Brown next, with Ewers at 8 rounding out the second tier. 
in the Third tier I’d have Simms at 9, then Sam and Gardere, with Akins at 12. Quinn Ewers is ahead of him because of how far we got with him, but I see Ewers and Simms in the same category of very talented but also very frustrating. 

I rank Brown a lot higher than most people for two reasons:

1) when he wasn’t hurt, he was absolutely electric, as good as anybody on this list other than Layne, VY and Colt, and got the most out of his ability. He was also a tremendous leader of the offense.

2) We were trending towards permanent mediocrity at a critical time when he came in, with key people in the athletic department literally saying that it was unrealistic for Texas to be nationally relevant on a consistent basis. I don’t think the modern era of Texas football happens without James Brown. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree with your first tier, and I’m fine with Carlisle at 5, but I’d put Applewhite and Brown next, with Ewers at 8 rounding out the second tier. 

You absolutely cannot considering Ewers essentially the 3rd best QB statistically and his 2 playoffs wins and conference championship. 

Simms/Applewhite are essentially top 5 statistical QBs where as Brown isn't but Brown does have a conference championship. 

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28 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You absolutely cannot considering Ewers essentially the 3rd best QB statistically and his 2 playoffs wins and conference championship. 

Simms/Applewhite are essentially top 5 statistical QBs where as Brown isn't but Brown does have a conference championship. 

Well I’d certainly put Ewers ahead of Simms, but I tend to view statistics as providing important quantitative information inside a particular context- the offense, the players around them, the game planning philosophy of the coaches involved, etc.  Charlie Ward is universally acclaimed as the GOAT of FSU, and I agree.

Charlie Ward isn’t clearly an all time top five QB at Florida State statistically. That doesn’t mean stats aren’t important (he led the country in QBR his heisman year, if I remember correctly, but the passing leader was the Nevada guy. The top statistical QB in FSU history is Chris Weinke. A good player! Not on Ward’s level. 
Im sure you would agree, btw, based on where you have Street and Carlisle (and Layne).
My point is that Ewers was very productive and the team around him was good, particularly this year’s defense. But I saw every snap of his body of work, and I’d rather have Applewhite’s killer instinct and capacity to shake off adversity (even the self inflicted kind) or a healthy Jame’s Brown than QE. And that’s not disrespect.

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well I’d certainly put Ewers ahead of Simms, but I tend to view statistics as providing important quantitative information inside a particular context- the offense, the players around them, the game planning philosophy of the coaches involved, etc.  

Charlie Ward isn’t clearly an all time top five QB at Florida State statistically. That doesn’t mean stats aren’t important (he led the country in QBR his heisman year, if I remember correctly, but the passing leader was the Nevada guy. The top statistical QB in FSU history is Chris Weinke. A good player! Not on Ward’s level. 
Im sure you would agree, btw, based on where you have Street and Carlisle (and Layne).
My point is that Ewers was very productive and the team around him was good, particularly this year’s defense. But I saw every snap of his body of work, and I’d rather have Applewhite’s killer instinct and capacity to shake off adversity (even the self inflicted kind) or a healthy Jame’s Brown than QE. And that’s not disrespect.

I mean if you look at that tier list Street is 2 and his stats are not great passing but his contribution and how well he played the position of the offense mattered....same for Duke. For his time period Layne was ahead of everyone else in terms of passing stat wise. 

But when you're comparing the guys in the last 30 years then stats are much much more important in terms of judging their ranking alongside team success.

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28 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You absolutely cannot considering Ewers essentially the 3rd best QB statistically and his 2 playoffs wins and conference championship. 

Simms/Applewhite are essentially top 5 statistical QBs where as Brown isn't but Brown does have a conference championship. 

 

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Actually going back and refreshing my memory I think I'd do the tier list as such now:


Tier 1 
Vince Young | James Street | Colt McCoy | Bobby Layne

Tier 2
Duke Carlisle | Quinn Ewers | Sam Ehlinger | James Brown

Tier 3
Chris Simms | Major Applewhite | Marty Akins | Pete Gardere

Honorable Mention: Bret Stafford 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

But when you're comparing the guys in the last 30 years then stats are much much more important in terms of judging their ranking alongside team success.

I don’t really think that’s completely true. I think they provide a useful framework for quantifying achievement and diagnosing problems, or comparison in highly similar context, but I don’t think they are more than that. 

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These threads always bring up some "what could have been" thoughts for me.  Akins gets shortchanged in these conversations I think because he played through a lot of injury and illness, but also he inherited the wishbone about the time other teams were beginning to figure out ways to combat it defensively.  Made his sledding a bit more difficult.  I was at that game where Pat Thomas of A&M targeted his knee on the first play of the game and took him out.  But when he was healthy, he was knocking out the yards and wins.  

That was quite a run for UT qbs starting with Street and running until about James Brown.  How many times did understudies like Randy McEachern step up to save the day when all the qbs in front went down for one reason or another?

 

 

 

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Considering the long history of the program and deep resources, plus the exceptionally high caliber of QB's from the state of Texas over the last 15 years, the list seems very, very limited.

No one outside of a few older Texas fans ever talks about James Brown, yet he is on our short list as as one of our greatest ever. Think of all the great ones from the state that went somewhere else. Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, etc, etc, etc. Maybe it's just that hard to be great and you have to get very lucky with coaches and teammates

Heck, Westlake HS has had more NFL success than UT QB's. I sure hope Sark can change that.   

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1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

Considering the long history of the program and deep resources, plus the exceptionally high caliber of QB's from the state of Texas over the last 15 years, the list seems very, very limited.

No one outside of a few older Texas fans ever talks about James Brown, yet he is on our short list as as one of our greatest ever. Think of all the great ones from the state that went somewhere else. Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, etc, etc, etc. Maybe it's just that hard to be great and you have to get very lucky with coaches and teammates

Heck, Westlake HS has had more NFL success than UT QB's. I sure hope Sark can change that.   

Should we do a tier list on guys Texas didn't recruit or missed out out? That will paint the picture of why we probably haven't been as successful as we should have been. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Should we do a tier list on guys Texas didn't recruit or missed out out? That will paint the picture of why we probably haven't been as successful as we should have been. 

Why not?

Of course, nothing is plug-n-play. You can't just start Robert Griffin III at UT and expect him to be great. He needs the right coaches, scheme and teammates.
However, just to torture myself, I made this list of QB's from the state of Texas who played elsewhere, 2000ish-2004: 

Tier 1:

  • Drew Brees
  • Johnny Manziel
  • Robert Griffin III
  • Baker Mayfield
  • Kyler Murray
  • Jalen Hurts
  • Patrick Mahomes
  • Andrew Luck
  • Nick Foles
  • Caleb Williams (was at Southlake for a bit) 
  • J.T. Barrett
  • Matthew Stafford

Tier 2:

  • Chase Daniel
  • Graham Harrell
  • Kevin Kolb
  • Case Keenum
  • Andy Dalton
  • Derek Carr
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14 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Why not?

Of course, nothing is plug-n-play. You can't just start Robert Griffin III at UT and expect him to be great. He needs the right coaches, scheme and teammates.
However, just to torture myself, I made this list of QB's from the state of Texas who played elsewhere, 2000ish-2004: 

Tier 1:

  • Drew Brees
  • Johnny Manziel
  • Robert Griffin III
  • Baker Mayfield
  • Kyler Murray
  • Jalen Hurts
  • Patrick Mahomes
  • Andrew Luck
  • Nick Foles
  • Caleb Williams (was at Southlake for a bit) 
  • J.T. Barrett
  • Matthew Stafford

Tier 2:

  • Chase Daniel
  • Graham Harrell
  • Kevin Kolb
  • Case Keenum
  • Andy Dalton
  • Derek Carr

Gotta add the nuance to it though...for instance Drew Brees was being recruited by basically no major college football program. We did recruit Kyler Murray it was just at a weird time....I still remember him and that receiver who went to Ole Miss visiting. 

 

Andrew Luck is by far the biggest fuck up IMO

Offering RG3 and Manziel as safeties I think puts them in tier 1.

Choosing Tyrone Swoopes over JT Barrett also is grounds for tier 1 placement. 

 

Tier 1
Luck - RG3 - Manziel - JT Barrett

Tier 2
Hurts -

 

Will need more time to think on next tiers.

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5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So in terms of turnovers and yardage they are both similar, especially when you account for Quinn's fumbles. You are also selectively choosing to leave out rushing metrics from both of that season plus their careers. 

Basically Colt's worse season as a RS sophomore is on par with Quinns second best season as a RS Junior(4th year). 

 

So Colt as a RS Jr(same year as Quinn this year) provided the following:

332/433 (76.7%) for 3859 yards, 34 touchdowns, 8 interceptions - 136 rushes 561 yards and 11 touchdowns

 

 

 

You're acting like Colt was so much older from a class persepctive when reality that's not true at all. Quinn went pro as a RS junior vs Colt who chose to come back for his senior season.

I'm "acting." You mean in the context of Derka arguing that he would take two-year-older RS-SR Colt McCoy over two-year-younger RS-SO Quinn Ewers? Why are you so obtuse? Is it intentional? Fuck, you must live a miserable fucking life. Two years greater physical, emotional, and mental maturity makes a huge difference at that age, as does being able to play ball with your primary receiver for 3-4 years rather than having complete turnover in your WR corps and RB corps. What I'm offering, including empirical evidence, is that Quinn doesn't suck as much as you dimwitted fucktards are saying and Colt wasn't the God you make him out to be. Why don't you fuck right off into the Sun, you miserable little shitstain?

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chris simms was better than quinn ewers. quinn didn’t totally implode like simms did a couple times, but simms was a very good QB for the majority of his career, something we cannot say about quinn. simms’ famous choke jobs have caused people to forget just how talented and productive he was. outside of rick mcivor simms had the strongest arm in Texas history, and boy did he use it. and again, we’re talking about one guy who played for Mack and GD vs a guy who got to play for Sark. all else being equal give me simms over quinn all day.

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5 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

I'm "acting." You mean in the context of Derka arguing that he would take two-year-older RS-SR Colt McCoy over two-year-younger RS-SO Quinn Ewers? Why are you so obtuse? Is it intentional? Fuck, you must live a miserable fucking life. Two years greater physical, emotional, and mental maturity makes a huge difference at that age, as does being able to play ball with your primary receiver for 3-4 years rather than having complete turnover in your WR corps and RB corps. What I'm offering, including empirical evidence, is that Quinn doesn't suck as much as you dimwitted fucktards are saying and Colt wasn't the God you make him out to be. Why don't you fuck right off into the Sun, you miserable little shitstain?

colt mccoy as a freshman was better than quinn ewers at his peak. before his neck injury colt was in second place in the rocky mountain news heisman poll. freshman colt > RS junior QE. not even close.

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Vegas had Ewers as the Heisman frontrunner before his abominal injury, so I guess no actual difference then? To hear all of you tell it, Ewers was the worst fucking QB to ever wear the Burnt Orange. I think he did exceedingly well for the position he was put in and we disagree. Cool. Disagree, but don't act like your opinion is a fact. There's empirical evidence that says otherwise.

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7 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Colt wasn't the God you make him out to be.

yes he was. back to back heisman runner up (should have won at least once), obviously would have been a national championship winning had GDGD not decided to use him as a battering ram, and all he did was shatter records at Texas, in the big xii, and nationally. at one point during his career he had that ricky williams thing going on, where we’d enter a game and the announcers would be like, “colt mccoy has a chance to break five more school/conference records today.” all while running for his life every game behind an o-line full of youth ministers and boy scouts, while having to lead the team in rushing, while having having no TE, and while having mack brown and GDGD holding him back. Colt Mccoy is a true Texas legend, and his playing history is in no way overblown. only Vince Young was better at the QB position than Colt.

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Just now, AnotherLawyer said:

Vegas had Ewers as the Heisman frontrunner before his abominal injury, so I guess no actual difference then?

there’s a huge, fundamental difference in oddsmakers giving quinn good odds to win the heisman coming into a season, and the Rocky Mountain news poll- the authority on predicting the Heisman results- having colt clear in second place after 10 weeks of playing actual college football games. And again, that’s freshman colt versus Quinn Ewers at his peak. preseason vegas odds and the november rocky mountain news poll is not the same thing.

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58 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

 

I think he did exceedingly well for the position he was put in and we disagree.

 

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Yes.  Imagine how great he would've been under Charlie or Herman.  Oh what could've been

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Cool, man. Great. Your opinion, RMN at a point in time, and fuck the the stats and performance...all good, clear-headed, cogent support.

I love Colt. My family sat with him and his family at the football banquet his RS year. My brother still talks to him every once in a while. He's definitely in that upper tier and probably 1-2-3 in my opinion are VY, Street, and Colt. Do I put Ewers top 5? I don't know. Top 10? Probably for sure. Did he do really well? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely. I agree. But what I don't do is shit on the kid like you guys who never wore the Burnt Orange do. It's fucking bizarre as fuck to me how Texas "fans" shit on Texas players who bled for the program, especially the QBs. Is Colt over on the sideline saying Ewers sucks and he can't wait for Manning to take over and if Colt had been the QB two years ago Texas would've beaten Washington and Michigan? No, he's fucking not. It's us fat fucks who sit on our couches wearing their jerseys we bought from Dick's Sporting Goods or the Co-op or eBay or whatever in size XXXXL.

But, man, your opinion no matter how passionate does not change the fact that RS-SO Colt threw 18 fucking INTs and did not have a statistically better year than RS-SO Ewers when he was two years older and in a long-established program with stability amongst the coaches and multiple top-5 finishes over the previous several years. At the exact same stages in their careers with NFL talent all around them, Ewers had a better season statistically, was on a conference championship team, broke almost every CCG passing record, and was a bad playcall or poorly-thrown pass away from an appearance in the NCG playing against a RS/Covid-SR who was like 27 years old and had been the starter for like 8 years.

And no shit you'd rather have a 23-year-old RS-SR over a 20-year-old RS-SO? Where do I send my $9.95?

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58 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

I'm "acting." You mean in the context of Derka arguing that he would take two-year-older RS-SR Colt McCoy over two-year-younger RS-SO Quinn Ewers? Why are you so obtuse? Is it intentional? Fuck, you must live a miserable fucking life. Two years greater physical, emotional, and mental maturity makes a huge difference at that age, as does being able to play ball with your primary receiver for 3-4 years rather than having complete turnover in your WR corps and RB corps. What I'm offering, including empirical evidence, is that Quinn doesn't suck as much as you dimwitted fucktards are saying and Colt wasn't the God you make him out to be. Why don't you fuck right off into the Sun, you miserable little shitstain?

Fair to jump BO&W.  Fair to argue with Derks.

let’s discuss the simplicity of age being the factor you highlight regarding maturity.  Go ahead and ignore the differences between Southlake and Tuscola.  Both on and off the field.  I’m guessing that 2A speed on the high school field was almost what he saw at Texas.  I’d be damn curious to see a comparison of the two high school workout facilities.  You know to see the options for that physical maturity could have developed.

Then let’s discuss ball and how one QB got to play with his primary receiver and the complete turnover at his WR and RBs.

By my count, Helm was the leading receiver.  He was here all the time Ewers was here.  Blue ended last year as a primary RB.  He even logged more plays than Baxter versus UW.  Here 3 years.  4th on the team in catches this year - 2 behind Wisner.  Moore was #2 of the WRs in catches this year.  Yes, I believe the lack of continuity was impactful but at least be accurate.

 

And where exactly did you get your NFL experience?  I was curious and looked up a few guys.  I couldn’t find Greg Smith or Hix or Huey ever played a down.  Think it was Huey that was signed then cut, signed then cut.  Colt got 1-2 years with a high percentage of those offensive guys you referenced.  

But nice job highlighting many offensive guys that were gone after Colts freshman year.  Only to be replaced guys that were not of similar caliber.  His last two years what offensive guys were drafted?  Shipley and Chris O?  I guess Marquise who was a freshman (but I guess doesn’t count as turnover).

He compiled stats.  He compiled wins.  He carried the offense.  He took a beating.  He made plays when he needed to make plays.  He did it with his legs.  With his arm.

Yeah, pretty much overrated.  

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1 hour ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Cool, man. Great. Your opinion, RMN at a point in time, and fuck the the stats and performance...all good, clear-headed, cogent support.

I love Colt. My family sat with him and his family at the football banquet his RS year. My brother still talks to him every once in a while. He's definitely in that upper tier and probably 1-2-3 in my opinion are VY, Street, and Colt. Do I put Ewers top 5? I don't know. Top 10? Probably for sure. Did he do really well? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely. I agree. But what I don't do is shit on the kid like you guys who never wore the Burnt Orange do. It's fucking bizarre as fuck to me how Texas "fans" shit on Texas players who bled for the program, especially the QBs. Is Colt over on the sideline saying Ewers sucks and he can't wait for Manning to take over and if Colt had been the QB two years ago Texas would've beaten Washington and Michigan? No, he's fucking not. It's us fat fucks who sit on our couches wearing their jerseys we bought from Dick's Sporting Goods or the Co-op or eBay or whatever in size XXXXL.

But, man, your opinion no matter how passionate does not change the fact that RS-SO Colt threw 18 fucking INTs and did not have a statistically better year than RS-SO Ewers when he was two years older and in a long-established program with stability amongst the coaches and multiple top-5 finishes over the previous several years. At the exact same stages in their careers with NFL talent all around them, Ewers had a better season statistically, was on a conference championship team, broke almost every CCG passing record, and was a bad playcall or poorly-thrown pass away from an appearance in the NCG playing against a RS/Covid-SR who was like 27 years old and had been the starter for like 8 years.

And no shit you'd rather have a 23-year-old RS-SR over a 20-year-old RS-SO? Where do I send my $9.95?

I get why you are picking year 2, that was Colt's worse year and Quinn's best. Not shocking since Quinn had a 1st rnd RB, 2nd round WR, 2nd round RB, 4th round TE, and a 6th round WR at the skill positions that year. Arguably the best skill positions on a team any team at Texas. Compare year 3 as starters.

Colt: 332 - 433, 76.7% comp, 3859 yards, 34 TDs, 8 Ints... 136 carries, 561 yards, 4.1 per, 11 TDs

Ewers: 293- 445, 65.8% comp. 3472, 31 TDs, 12 Ints.... 57 carries, -82 yards, 2 TDs.. 

They are not particularly close.

 

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18 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I get why you are picking year 2, that was Colt's worse year and Quinn's best. Not shocking since Quinn had a 1st rnd RB, 2nd round WR, 2nd round RB, 4th round TE, and a 6th round WR at the skill positions that year. Arguably the best skill positions on a team any team at Texas. Compare year 3 as starters.

Colt: 332 - 433, 76.7% comp, 3859 yards, 34 TDs, 8 Ints... 136 carries, 561 yards, 4.1 per, 11 TDs

Ewers: 293- 445, 65.8% comp. 3472, 31 TDs, 12 Ints.... 57 carries, -82 yards, 2 TDs.. 

They are not particularly close.

 

Yea but Colt played with more talent

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Vince and Colt are the clear #1 and #2.  Street has to be up there, but well before my time.  People forget how athletic Colt was, very fast and his ability to avoid the rush and throw off schedule was superb.  Tough as nails too.  No one can compete with VY, but Colt was the closest.

2006 at Tech down 0-21, comeback win his RS Freshman year....and people forget the Crabtree game we were down 6-22 at half at Tech and came all the way back to take the lead.  He was amazing.

I appreciated Major more than most. The dude never flinched and always got us in the right play under duress.  His win with Ricky at Neb to break the longest home winning streak is a much watch for the young Surlers.  He took a shot to the head buying time for his WR to come somewhat open and throw the longest 5 yard TD known to man all the while getting targeted.  He led the comeback in Dallas vs CU after Simms shit the bed and if not for a Gieggar roughing the punter under 2 minutes, we would have played for a natty.  He led the big comeback vs UW in San Diego also after Simms shit the bed in that one too.

Simms was a stat monster and had some enormous games but always seemed like he was a pick 6 machine.

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43 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Yeah, pretty much overrated.  

Nope. Not even close to what I said. The point is appropriate: Colt was a great player who also played with good and great players. It was merely a counterpoint to the implication that Ewers played with a bunch of somebodies while Colt played with a bunch of nobodies. You can note that only the players Ewers played with, many of whom are not in the NFL (but may very well be), were mentioned while none of who Colt played with were mentioned.

Source for Smith or Hix or Huey? Google for the teams and times. As for the others, they were taken from Texas 2-deep depth charts with supplemental information from Wikipedia, NFL.com, Texas press releases, and other sources. I had to ask my brother about a few. If they had meaningful stats, they got mentioned. If they didn't even if they were on the 2-deep, I didn't mention them.

But you raise a fair point. A more appropriate comparison might be Colt's RS-FR year to RS-SO year in comparison to Quinn's RS-SO year to RS-JR year given the personnel losses. It's still worth pointing out that RS-SO Colt had those stats with Jamaal, Jermichael, and others on the team. It wasn't like the cupboard was bare. And, sure, Gunnar was on the team in 2023 but JT was starting and Gunnar didn't exactly take up the majority of the snaps, unlike Shipley who was a huge contributor from pretty much day one. Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison between Helm and Shipley over multiple years.

 

29 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I get why you are picking year 2, that was Colt's worse year and Quinn's best. Not shocking since Quinn had a 1st rnd RB, 2nd round WR, 2nd round RB, 4th round TE, and a 6th round WR at the skill positions that year. Arguably the best skill positions on a team any team at Texas. Compare year 3 as starters.

Colt: 332 - 433, 76.7% comp, 3859 yards, 34 TDs, 8 Ints... 136 carries, 561 yards, 4.1 per, 11 TDs

Ewers: 293- 445, 65.8% comp. 3472, 31 TDs, 12 Ints.... 57 carries, -82 yards, 2 TDs.. 

They are not particularly close.

RS-SO year for both, not "best" and "worst." Apples-to-apples. If you want to compare their two best years, cool. It's closer to apples-to-apples than the asinine argument that someone would rather have a 23-year-old RS-SR over a 19-year RS-SO and that's somehow proof that the former rocks and the latter sucks.

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Jesus, the irony. It's reasonable to compare year 3 to year 3. It's reasonable to compare year 2 to year 2. It's stupid to shit on someone in a year 4 to year 2 comparison.
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1 hour ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Nope. Not even close to what I said. The point is appropriate: Colt was a great player who also played with good and great players. It was merely a counterpoint to the implication that Ewers played with a bunch of somebodies while Colt played with a bunch of nobodies. You can note that only the players Ewers played with, many of whom are not in the NFL (but may very well be), were mentioned while none of who Colt played with were mentioned.

Source for Smith or Hix or Huey? Google for the teams and times. As for the others, they were taken from Texas 2-deep depth charts with supplemental information from Wikipedia, NFL.com, Texas press releases, and other sources. I had to ask my brother about a few. If they had meaningful stats, they got mentioned. If they didn't even if they were on the 2-deep, I didn't mention them.

But you raise a fair point. A more appropriate comparison might be Colt's RS-FR year to RS-SO year in comparison to Quinn's RS-SO year to RS-JR year given the personnel losses. It's still worth pointing out that RS-SO Colt had those stats with Jamaal, Jermichael, and others on the team. It wasn't like the cupboard was bare. And, sure, Gunnar was on the team in 2023 but JT was starting and Gunnar didn't exactly take up the majority of the snaps, unlike Shipley who was a huge contributor from pretty much day one. Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison between Helm and Shipley over multiple years.

 

RS-SO year for both, not "best" and "worst." Apples-to-apples. If you want to compare their two best years, cool. It's closer to apples-to-apples than the asinine argument that someone would rather have a 23-year-old RS-SR over a 19-year RS-SO and that's somehow proof that the former rocks and the latter sucks.

Using Junior years is apples for apples also. It’s blatantly obvious why you don’t want to use both QBs 3rd year as starters. Nobody is comparing Colt’s senior year to Quinn’s Sophomore year. The age thing is a useless sidebar. It’s about as useless as comparing Colt and Ewers. Colt is clearly above 

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Quinn vs. Sam is the debate - y'all trying to argue Quinn vs. Colt are fucking delusional and need to be strapped into a chair and forced to watch all of Colt's 45 wins.

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Yea but Colt played with more talent

No he didn't. Not even close, frankly. 

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10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Using Junior years is apples for apples also. It’s blatantly obvious why you don’t want to use both QBs 3rd year as starters. Nobody is comparing Colt’s senior year to Quinn’s Sophomore year. The age thing is a useless sidebar. It’s about as useless as comparing Colt and Ewers. Colt is clearly above 

I said it was. I literally fucking said that. I said "It's reasonable to compare year 3 to year 3. It's reasonable to compare year 2 to year 2." And, yes, it was said that 2008 and 2009 Colt would have won the NC with the team Ewers had in 2023. Are you fucking blind? And age isn't a useless sidebar. The number of FR and SO you'd rather play over a RS-SR is incredibly low, especially at key decision-making positions.

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1 hour ago, jdhorn92 said:

He led the comeback in Dallas vs CU after Simms shit the bed and if not for a Gieggar roughing the punter under 2 minutes, we would have played for a natty.  He led the big comeback vs UW in San Diego also after Simms shit the bed in that one too.

 

Maybe you like Major more than most cause you give him credit for shit he didn’t do.

Simms did not play a lick in San Diego.  It was The Major that turned it over 3/4 times in that first half.

Seems as though some tag Simms with an OU loss even though he didn’t start.

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colt’s second year was an outlier due to injuries that weren’t fully taken care of and didn’t heal right. he didn’t mysteriously have some sophomore slump where he just wasn’t good, he was playing injured behind an extremely shaky o line. colt played for four years, and for three of them he was a heisman candidate. the one other year- his sophomore year- was the outlier for reasons stated. without injuries it is 100% feasible- beyond feasible, borderline probable- that he’s a four time heisman finalist. people gotta stop acting like quinn is even on the same planet as colt mccoy.

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7 minutes ago, Derka said:

colt’s second year was an outlier due to injuries that weren’t fully taken care of and didn’t heal right. he didn’t mysteriously have some sophomore slump where he just wasn’t good, he was playing injured behind an extremely shaky o line. colt played for four years, and for three of them he was a heisman candidate. the one other year- his sophomore year- was the outlier for reasons stated. without injuries it is 100% feasible- beyond feasible, borderline probable- that he’s a four time heisman finalist. people gotta stop acting like quinn is even on the same planet as colt mccoy.

Yeah? Cool. I didn't do that. In fact, I said my 1-2-3 tier was VY-Street-Colt. But keep cherry-picking facts to support your false narrative while ignoring Ewers got planted into the turf against Alabama the year before and missed games, and also missed two games in 2023 due to injuries. The way you guys hate on Ewers is fucking insane.

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2 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

The way you guys hate on Ewers is fucking insane.

You're the one trying to compare him to Colt McCoy. No one is going to take you seriously doing shit like that. 

I don't even see much if any Ewers hate in this thread. We all acknowledge he did his part in helping to make Texas nationally competitive again but we all also acknowledge that he just wasn't an elite college QB. 

Vince and Colt are extremely high fucking bars. There is nothing wrong with not reaching that level. Those dudes have their names up and sections named after them at DKR for a reason. Quinn is short of that honor and that's fine. 

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1 hour ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Nope. Not even close to what I said. The point is appropriate: Colt was a great player who also played with good and great players. It was merely a counterpoint to the implication that Ewers played with a bunch of somebodies while Colt played with a bunch of nobodies. You can note that only the players Ewers played with, many of whom are not in the NFL (but may very well be), were mentioned while none of who Colt played with were mentioned.

Source for Smith or Hix or Huey? Google for the teams and times. As for the others, they were taken from Texas 2-deep depth charts with supplemental information from Wikipedia, NFL.com, Texas press releases, and other sources. I had to ask my brother about a few. If they had meaningful stats, they got mentioned. If they didn't even if they were on the 2-deep, I didn't mention them.

But you raise a fair point. A more appropriate comparison might be Colt's RS-FR year to RS-SO year in comparison to Quinn's RS-SO year to RS-JR year given the personnel losses. It's still worth pointing out that RS-SO Colt had those stats with Jamaal, Jermichael, and others on the team. It wasn't like the cupboard was bare. And, sure, Gunnar was on the team in 2023 but JT was starting and Gunnar didn't exactly take up the majority of the snaps, unlike Shipley who was a huge contributor from pretty much day one. Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison between Helm and Shipley over multiple years.

 

I took a little liberty with the Colt being overrated comment in response you saying he was not god-like.

I had looked up Huey, Hix, Smith.  I found no evidence they ever played in the NFL beyond pre-season.  David Snow did play 5 games however.  No Olineman on the 2008 or 2009 teams were drafted. Not even the backups.

In 2007, only Tony Hills was drafted off the Oline.  Sendlein, Studdard, Blalock were gone.  Sweed, Selvin, Ramonce gone.  Finley was a good pass catcher but not sure he was interested in blocking.  Shipley was a relative non-factor in 2007.

For 2008-09, no TEs drafted, 2 WRs drafted (one was drafted because he was fast).  Goodwin was a track guy that Colt threw to as a frosh.  Shipley.  Quan was a great college player but in spite of his rookie season NFL accolades didn’t even have 10 NFL catches.  Chris O as a 7th rounder (recruited as a WR I believe).  None on the Oline.  That’s it.

For back-to-back top 5 teams, I’d be surprised if you could find such a limited roster on one side of the ball.

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