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37 minutes ago, lateshow said:

I was too young, and not paying much attention at the time, but I was always under the belief that the majority of Horns fans were fans of Major and did not care for Simms. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Was the only Texas fan at my high school in the Austin area that was in the Simms camp. I just thought our potential as a team was higher with him at QB1. Then I went to the Colorado B12 Championship game with my dad and got to eat a heaping helping of crow back in the football locker room.

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Quinn and Sam were both flawed QBs. Quinn played on better teams with better coaching. I'd probably take 2018 Sam as the best single-season version between the two but Quinn had the best 2-year run and had more team success. 

I'm not sure Quinn would have done well playing on the teams we had from 2017-2020. I'm fairly confident Sam would have done well with Sark the past few seasons.

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quinn did not lift his teammates’ play, but rather the other way around. very few balls hit his receivers in stride, they often required an adjustment or great play by the pass catcher, and his YAC yards accounted for like 80% of his production at times. i believe that if quinn played for some of those herman or strong teams he would have struggled mightily and would have had a poor W/L record.

i also think that if he were the no.127 recruit in the country and from joliet, il as opposed to The Chosen One from southlake that his legacy among fans at Texas would not be so wildly blown out of proportion. QE probably won’t have any real nfl career to speak of while 15+ of his college teammates do, and yet he will continue to get essentially sole credit for Texas going 25-5 the last two years. 

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some of quinn ewers’ teammates at Texas:

RB: Bijan Robinson, Jonathan Brooks, Roschon Johnson

WR: Xavier Worthy, AD Mitchell, Jordan Whittington, Matthew Golden, Isaiah Bond

TE: JT Sanders, Gunnar Helm

OL: two really good O lines led by Lombardi and Outland winner Kelvin Banks

DL: T’Vondre Sweat, Byron Murphy, Alfred Collins, Barryn Sorrell, Keondre Coburn, Collin Simmons

LB: Jaylan Ford, Demarvion Overshown, Anthony Hill

DB: Jahdae Barron, Michael Taaffe, Andrew Mukuba

all of these players, ALL of them, were inarguably better players than quinn ewers. his college production, abilities, and efficacy is simply nowhere near that of these guys. these are all-league, all american, and/or nfl players who all played at a reliably high level week after week during their time at Texas. there are others who were/are also better and more consistent at Texas than QE was, but these guys really stand out as players who’ve led the turnaround for our program.

and yet, the narrative among Texas fans is that QE more or less single handedly turned around our program and won us 25 games these last two years. that’s not to mention that countless coaches on this team (sark, choice, PK, torre becton, etc) have been wildly more important to this turnaround than QE was. at this point in time quinn ewers is possibly the most overrated player in Texas history, through no fault of his own. he was a fine QB who finished his career with a great W/L record because of the insane amount of world class talent surrounding him, but nothing more. it’s the literally thousands and thousands of fans who have gone full rick barnes stan for QE who have overrated him. 

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Just now, I Plead Da Fif said:

Absolutely don't agree here. Countless times during games commentators mentioned that Quinn is leading receivers in stride in the short game that turn a 1 or 2 yard gain into a 6-8 yard gain. 

i’m not counting a 1 or 2 yard pass as hitting a receiver in stride. when talking about hitting your guys in stride you’re talking about throwing the ball in the medium and deep portions of the field. quinn is super accurate with the short/one-read throws, but that’s about it as far as consistency throwing accurate and on time balls goes.

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3 hours ago, Derka said:

quinn did not lift his teammates’ play, but rather the other way around. very few balls hit his receivers in stride, they often required an adjustment or great play by the pass catcher, and his YAC yards accounted for like 80% of his production at times. i believe that if quinn played for some of those herman or strong teams he would have struggled mightily and would have had a poor W/L record.

i also think that if he were the no.127 recruit in the country and from joliet, il as opposed to The Chosen One from southlake that his legacy among fans at Texas would not be so wildly blown out of proportion. QE probably won’t have any real nfl career to speak of while 15+ of his college teammates do, and yet he will continue to get essentially sole credit for Texas going 25-5 the last two years. 

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

i’m not counting a 1 or 2 yard pass as hitting a receiver in stride. when talking about hitting your guys in stride you’re talking about throwing the ball in the medium and deep portions of the field. quinn is super accurate with the short/one-read throws, but that’s about it as far as consistency throwing accurate and on time balls goes.

You’re entitled to your opinion sir. It’s not even fair to say he’s only accurate in one-read throws. If you rewatch games sober you’ll see 3 go through progressions and make big plays on his 3rd read for first downs. It was obvious to me because most every QB since Colt has struggled here, and it’s like we’re projecting the sins of the past onto Quinn.

Quinn struggled with moving around the pocket to extend plays, deep ball accuracy, and injuries. He was elite in short and intermediate, first game or two back from oblique forgiven. When Arch played, it was clear as day that he was much less than in the short game. That matters. Short game is low risk. You take shots to stretch the D and make big plays and free up the run game but the modern college football game is about the short and intermediate. Deep balls by definition are higher risk higher reward plays.

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7 hours ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

You’re entitled to your opinion sir. It’s not even fair to say he’s only accurate in one-read throws. If you rewatch games sober you’ll see 3 go through progressions and make big plays on his 3rd read for first downs. It was obvious to me because most every QB since Colt has struggled here, and it’s like we’re projecting the sins of the past onto Quinn.

Quinn struggled with moving around the pocket to extend plays, deep ball accuracy, and injuries. He was elite in short and intermediate, first game or two back from oblique forgiven. When Arch played, it was clear as day that he was much less than in the short game. That matters. Short game is low risk. You take shots to stretch the D and make big plays and free up the run game but the modern college football game is about the short and intermediate. Deep balls by definition are higher risk higher reward plays.

In Derka's original post he says and I quote,"his YAC yards accounted for like 80% of his production at times". This is how you know someone is arguing in bad faith. They are arguing that the quarterback is inaccurate, but then in the same argument, to discount the quarterback's overall yardage, they talk about 80% of the yardage acquired happened after the catch. Anyone who has even a little football IQ knows that receiver YAC yardage is the biggest indicator of QB accuracy. Another indicator of QB accuracy is the type of routes your OC is calling. When an OC knows they have an inaccurate QB they call a lot of easy throw/low YAC routes like hooks, curls, and comebacks. We rarely throw those. We throw NFL routes. 15 yards outs wide side. 15 yard digs. Slants. Skinny posts. We rarely drop back and throw it to stationary receivers, which is why QE's YAC yards are so high.

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15 hours ago, Derka said:

some of quinn ewers’ teammates at Texas:

RB: Bijan Robinson, Jonathan Brooks, Roschon Johnson

WR: Xavier Worthy, AD Mitchell, Jordan Whittington, Matthew Golden, Isaiah Bond

TE: JT Sanders, Gunnar Helm

OL: two really good O lines led by Lombardi and Outland winner Kelvin Banks

DL: T’Vondre Sweat, Byron Murphy, Alfred Collins, Barryn Sorrell, Keondre Coburn, Collin Simmons

LB: Jaylan Ford, Demarvion Overshown, Anthony Hill

DB: Jahdae Barron, Michael Taaffe, Andrew Mukuba

all of these players, ALL of them, were inarguably better players than quinn ewers. his college production, abilities, and efficacy is simply nowhere near that of these guys. these are all-league, all american, and/or nfl players who all played at a reliably high level week after week during their time at Texas. there are others who were/are also better and more consistent at Texas than QE was, but these guys really stand out as players who’ve led the turnaround for our program.

and yet, the narrative among Texas fans is that QE more or less single handedly turned around our program and won us 25 games these last two years. that’s not to mention that countless coaches on this team (sark, choice, PK, torre becton, etc) have been wildly more important to this turnaround than QE was. at this point in time quinn ewers is possibly the most overrated player in Texas history, through no fault of his own. he was a fine QB who finished his career with a great W/L record because of the insane amount of world class talent surrounding him, but nothing more. it’s the literally thousands and thousands of fans who have gone full rick barnes stan for QE who have overrated him. 

Wut?

Where have you seen/heard this nonsense?

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1 hour ago, Tylerocks said:

Wut?

Where have you seen/heard this nonsense?

did you miss the QE thread and its countless proclamations that quinn “led us” to back to back playoff appearances and 25 wins over the last two seasons? all the posts about how he turned the program around? all of the “popular posts” here proclaiming him a Texas legend? hell we had to start this thread because of all the mount rushmore talk. what about twitter the day he announced for the draft? if you scrolled my feed that day you’d think quinn personally saved the entire LA community from the fires with the never ending parade of sappy, effusive thanks he was getting left and right. i’ve never in my life seen so many, “thank you quinn; seriously. for everything; thank you so, so much.” posts from grown men online. hell i’m pretty sure someone here started a whole new thread just like that. 

colt mccoy used to lead us to wins; vince young legit led the nation in 4th quarter comeback wins; james brown, major applewhite, and sam ehlinger were known to put the team on their back, let their nuts hang, and win us a big game or two. meanwhile quinn got carried by his superior coaches and teammates (the ones actually responsible for the turnaround) as they scratched and clawed just to move the chains (forget about scoring TDs) during basically every second half of this, quinn’s best season. these countless players and coaches have. it gotten 0.05% of the credit or thanks as QE, which again is wild considering that he was objectively not even one of his own team’s better players at any point during his career. he certainly did not “lead” this team out of the dark and into the light as i’ve seen posted countless times. i’ve never seen anything like it in my life. 

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1 hour ago, futureman said:

so what’s the updated list?

 

On 1/23/2025 at 9:18 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

Final Tier List Post-2025 Season:

Tier 1
Vince Young - James Street - Colt McCoy - Bobby Layne

Tier 2
Duke Carlisle - Quinn Ewers - Sam Ehlinger - Chris Simms

Tier 3
Major Applewhite - James Brown - Marty Akins - Pete Gardere

 

this list, but with VY alone in the GOAT tier.

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5 hours ago, futureman said:

that “final” list is worse than a late-term abortion

Imagine the last time you won a conference championship was the last time you had a really QB. Then for almost 15 years you watch bad to mediocre QB play lead you to everything from losing to Kansas and Maryland to close to being good. You finally get a highly ranked QB and those just happen to be the years you go to two straight conference championships, winning one, and back to back CFP appearances.

After your first good year all four of your receiving targets and your top 3 running backs are gone. You run it back anyway with your 4th and 5th string backs, backup TE, three new receivers, and are a couple plays from playing for the NC. Imagine all that happening and some message board clown saying you, the one constant offensively year over year, had nothing to do with it. Imagine that same clown putting you on a tier with dudes who never won shit. Imagine throwing for 450 yards and 4 TDs in the conference championship game and being put on a tier with Simms.

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21 hours ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

You’re entitled to your opinion sir. It’s not even fair to say he’s only accurate in one-read throws. If you rewatch games sober you’ll see 3 go through progressions and make big plays on his 3rd read for first downs. It was obvious to me because most every QB since Colt has struggled here, and it’s like we’re projecting the sins of the past onto Quinn.

Quinn struggled with moving around the pocket to extend plays, deep ball accuracy, and injuries. He was elite in short and intermediate, first game or two back from oblique forgiven. When Arch played, it was clear as day that he was much less than in the short game. That matters. Short game is low risk. You take shots to stretch the D and make big plays and free up the run game but the modern college football game is about the short and intermediate. Deep balls by definition are higher risk higher reward plays.

FYI, Ewers was 94th in the country in adjusted completion percentage in 2024 in the intermediate range.  His overall grading in that range was 67th.  In the short range, he was 29th in adjusted completion percentage and the 70th rated.

He was tied 74th in percentage of dropbacks for balls thrown in the intermediate range.

In 2022, he was 108th in grading and adjusted completed percentage in the intermediate range.  24th graded, 86th in adj completion percentage in the short range.

In 2023, he was #4 graded.  16th in adjusted completion percentage in the intermediate range.  109 graded and 81 adj completion percentage in the short range.


If one wants to question the data, fine.  But there is data.  And the data here says that Ewers efforts do not reflect that he’s elite in either the short or intermediate areas.

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1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

FYI, Ewers was 94th in the country in adjusted completion percentage in 2024 in the intermediate range.  His overall grading in that range was 67th.  In the short range, he was 29th in adjusted completion percentage and the 70th rated.

He was tied 74th in percentage of dropbacks for balls thrown in the intermediate range.

In 2022, he was 108th in grading and adjusted completed percentage in the intermediate range.  24th graded, 86th in adj completion percentage in the short range.

In 2023, he was #4 graded.  16th in adjusted completion percentage in the intermediate range.  109 graded and 81 adj completion percentage in the short range.


If one wants to question the data, fine.  But there is data.  And the data here says that Ewers efforts do not reflect that he’s elite in either the short or intermediate areas.

Who was number one this year?

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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You finally get a highly ranked QB and those just happen to be the years you go to two straight conference championships, winning one, and back to back CFP appearances.

 

This right here is the bullshit some of us have a problem with. To adorn your King with credit like he wasn't surrounded by NFL talent that we hadn't seen in the 15 years prior. We were in the fucking desert, that's the constant. A constant lack of elite talent recruited or developed. 

Between 2012 (the first year after our NC loss) and Quinn's first year, we had 5 players taken in Rounds 1 or 2 of the NFL draft. In a fucking decade.

Quinn's junior year had 5 go in the top 2 rounds. It appears that this year we'll have another 3-4. We were in the fucking desert. Sark is the constant. Talent is the constant. 

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On 1/6/2025 at 12:21 PM, Helobious said:

He is #3 in all time total offense and TDs responsible for, and is at least top 10 in multiple passing categories. But Street and Layne did hand the ball off better than him so I guess you’re right. 

 

Would you please shut the fuck up about something which you obviously know nothing of?  When Bobby Layne retired from the NFL in 1963, he was the all-time leader in passes attempted, completed and TD passes.  Numbers which have since been surpassed (of course), but he did not get inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for "handing the ball off" you fucking moron.  Rant over, you should have already been on ignore but you are now.

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8 minutes ago, cochamps said:

Would you please shut the fuck up about something which you obviously know nothing of?  When Bobby Layne retired from the NFL in 1963, he was the all-time leader in passes attempted, completed and TD passes.  Numbers which have since been surpassed (of course), but he did not get inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for "handing the ball off" you fucking moron.  Rant over, you should have already been on ignore but you are now.

He's in two NFL teams ring of honors as well, just insane how fucking dumb Helobious is.

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Love Quinn. I think he’s a fine representative of the university and was a solid QB at Texas. That being said, give me Sam in ‘23 and ‘24, I bet we win at least one title. David Ash might have even been enough to bring one home. Hell, Quinn might have had a title if his back field could stay healthy. Like others have said, Quinn didn’t elevate the offense and he couldn’t mask really any inadequacies of the team. 

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6 hours ago, cochamps said:

Would you please shut the fuck up about something which you obviously know nothing of?  When Bobby Layne retired from the NFL in 1963, he was the all-time leader in passes attempted, completed and TD passes.  Numbers which have since been surpassed (of course), but he did not get inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for "handing the ball off" you fucking moron.  Rant over, you should have already been on ignore but you are now.

besides which, the stats argument is a weak one. for one texas doesn’t exactly have an illustrious list of downfield passers, and wasn’t exactly at the forefront of adopting the forward pass as a pillar of its offense. second, and more importantly, quinn ewers played for sark while colt and VY played for mack and GD. you let VY and Colt play for Sark and watch QE play for mack “scared to death” brown and you’ll really see the gulf in class between these qbs.

stats tell often tell incomplete stories or even flat out lies. this isn’t about stats on a page, it’s about performance. no shit QE has more passing yards and TDs than guys who played 20, 40, 60 years ago. those guys also happened to be alpha players on alpha teams, and they routinely took over games and led their teams to victories on the back of their play making and leadership. quinn ewers didn’t do that. his teammates did. his teammates who won thorpe, and outland, and lombardi, and doak walker trophies, and all american accolades, and national player of the year awards- those guys led the way while QE struggled to move the chains and score points despite his outstanding surrounding cast. again, i’ve never seen one guy get more obviously undue credit for his team’s success than quinn ewers. the fact that so many people think that he’s some sort of legend or even in the mount rushmore discussion is just baffling.

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51 minutes ago, Derka said:

besides which, the stats argument is a weak one. for one texas doesn’t exactly have an illustrious list of downfield passers, and wasn’t exactly at the forefront of adopting the forward pass as a pillar of its offense. second, and more importantly, quinn ewers played for sark while colt and VY played for mack and GD. you let VY and Colt play for Sark and watch QE play for mack “scared to death” brown and you’ll really see the gulf in class between these qbs.

stats tell often tell incomplete stories or even flat out lies. this isn’t about stats on a page, it’s about performance. no shit QE has more passing yards and TDs than guys who played 20, 40, 60 years ago. those guys also happened to be alpha players on alpha teams, and they routinely took over games and led their teams to victories on the back of their play making and leadership. quinn ewers didn’t do that. his teammates did. his teammates who won thorpe, and outland, and lombardi, and doak walker trophies, and all american accolades, and national player of the year awards- those guys led the way while QE struggled to move the chains and score points despite his outstanding surrounding cast. again, i’ve never seen one guy get more obviously undue credit for his team’s success than quinn ewers. the fact that so many people think that he’s some sort of legend or even in the mount rushmore discussion is just baffling.

The two things Quarterbacks are measured by here at Texas, how you did vs OU, and how you did in conference championship games.

 

Colt Big 12 Championship- 20-36 184 yards 0TDs and 3 INTs

Quinn Big 12 Championship-  35-46 452 yards 4 TDs and 1INT

Colt vs OU- 3-1 record. 79-118(67%) 836y 6TDs 2INTs over 4 years

Quinn vs OU- 2-1 record. 72-96(75%) 834y 6TDs 4INTs over 3 years

 

Combine the two and it looks like this

Colt- 96-154 1020yards 6TDs and 5INTs

Quinn- 107-142 1286yards 10TDs and 5INTs

Add the Georgia game for Quinn and ......

Colt- 96-154 1020yards 6TDs and 5INTs

Quinn- 134-188 1644yards 11TDs 6INTs

Again, this is someone arguing in bad faith. Colt struggled mightily in 09 vs OU and in the Big12 championship game. Funny how we are NOW trying to paint a different picture. Most everyone considers Colt number two in our lifetimes behind VY, but to try and claim that Quinn is miles behind Colt is dishonest. He threw for 452 and 4 TDs in the Big12 championship game and gave OU the two worst ass whippings in our lifetimes. This whole narrative that he was just along for the ride is false. 49-0 isn't "along for the ride". 452 yards and 4TDs isn't "along for the ride" either. Let me remind everyone that he piled up these numbers in 3 years. We should tip the cap and thank dude for his service.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Colt vs OU- 3-1 record. 79-118(67%) 836y 6TDs 2INTs over 4 years

Quinn vs OU- 2-1 record. 72-96(75%) 834y 6TDs 4INTs over 3 years

Should be noted that Quinn went against the two shittiest Oklahoma teams this century. 
 

You’re literally trying to bring down Colt who was the winningest QB in the history of the sport at the time of his tenure in college, the statistically best QB in program history, a guy who actually played for a title, and has his name hanging in the stadium Is remarkably laughable.
 

Also the Big 12 colt played in was tougher than any conference Quinn played in at Texas. 
 

 

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Definitely revisionist history….couldn’t be anything else

 

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it’s definitely not being the winningest QB in ncaa history at the end of his college career, it’s definitely not the almost 15000 total yards, it’s definitely not the 132 touchdowns, it’s definitely not winning a national player of the year award, it’s definitely not being a Heisman finalist, nah it’s revisionist history. 
 


 

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On 1/23/2025 at 11:39 AM, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Vince is the greatest college football quarterback to ever play. So I am pretty shocked to learn he wasnt even the best at his own school. 

This is such a biased, garbage take. Cam Newton did everything better than Vince. Everything.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Should be noted that Quinn went against the two shittiest Oklahoma teams this century. 
 

You’re literally trying to bring down Colt who was the winningest QB in the history of the sport at the time of his tenure in college, the statistically best QB in program history, a guy who actually played for a title, and has his name hanging in the stadium Is remarkably laughable.
 

Also the Big 12 colt played in was tougher than any conference Quinn played in at Texas. 
 

 

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All four of those OU teams that Colt faced were better than the 2022 and 2024 OU teams. And you could argue they were all better than the 2023 team as well. 

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 All the what ifs are final with Quinn. 

he didn't go to the ncg and he won 2 CFP games that were introduced because of the 12 team playoff, but the original 4 team playoff section is still 0-2. 

Texas won a lot of games while he was here, especially with their incredibly soft schedules in an atrocious big xii final year and arguably the easiest and weakest SEC schedule + team strength combo in years. Texas never won the biggest games on the big stage with him at the helm. 

Georgia x2, losing to OU on the way out of the big xii, etc. 

what are his statement wins? Punking 2 OU teams that were warmed over dogshit? His TAMU win in CS? His Big XII championship against a shitty OSU? His night win in Tuscaloosa? His win at the big house? ASU to stay alive after blowing it? Clemson?

I mean you look at it and you see a bunch of good stuff, but nothing particularly great or consistent. A lot of those games weren't won because it was Quinn mania. Theres players that take over the personality and feel of a game and Quinn just never seemed to do that. 

Sam did that a lot, with a much shittier team, coach and harder conference/more parity. 

colt undeniably did this. 

vince was the entire soul of the team. 

 

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24 minutes ago, immamac said:

 All the what ifs are final with Quinn. 

he didn't go to the ncg and he won 2 CFP games that were introduced because of the 12 team playoff, but the original 4 team playoff section is still 0-2. 

Texas won a lot of games while he was here, especially with their incredibly soft schedules in an atrocious big xii final year and arguably the easiest and weakest SEC schedule + team strength combo in years. Texas never won the biggest games on the big stage with him at the helm. 

Georgia x2, losing to OU on the way out of the big xii, etc. 

what are his statement wins? Punking 2 OU teams that were warmed over dogshit? His TAMU win in CS? His Big XII championship against a shitty OSU? His night win in Tuscaloosa? His win at the big house? ASU to stay alive after blowing it? Clemson?

I mean you look at it and you see a bunch of good stuff, but nothing particularly great or consistent. A lot of those games weren't won because it was Quinn mania. Theres players that take over the personality and feel of a game and Quinn just never seemed to do that. 

Sam did that a lot, with a much shittier team, coach and harder conference/more parity. 

colt undeniably did this. 

vince was the entire soul of the team. 

 

 

I think I hit the wrong emoji.  I agree with the above.  

 

 

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On 1/24/2025 at 12:03 PM, lateshow said:

I was too young, and not paying much attention at the time, but I was always under the belief that the majority of Horns fans were fans of Major and did not care for Simms. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I was a student during Applewhite-Simms. My perspective was the fan base was split maybe 60-40 in Applewhite’s favor, but as someone said the Applewhite crowd was much louder. Simms had all the physical tools to be a legendary college QB, but he was often robotic in decision making. We had Benson, Scaife, Roy, and two other borderline NFL WRs, but ran stupid ass offensive concepts while being conservative and predictable. Good defensive opposing coaches feasted on these weaknesses. Applewhite was “coach on the field” with very limited physical skills (noodle arm, one or both bum knees, several inches shorter). He had no problem audibling out of Greg Davis’s stupid ass plays and often put us into wide open pass routes. The combination of his association with Ricky’s Heisman year, “heady” player, and underdog physical traits endeared him to many, especially among the current and former “fratboy” contingent of the fan base. Those teams had an 8-9 win floor with either QB. Many felt if the offensive coaches did a better job in scheme and play calling, the ceiling was higher with Simms. Applewhite had some horrible losses (‘99 KSU, ‘99 Big12 CCG, ‘00 Stanford, ‘00 OU 63-14), but Simms’s big (really, the only losses) were on bigger stage (‘01 CU rematch Big12CCG, ‘01 OU 14-3, ‘02 OU 35-24). Simms teams beat the shit out of aggy thrice, great win @Nebraska ‘02, ‘02 Cotton Bowl vs Saban LSU). The loud Applewhite fans glossed over his failures and limitations and still today blame Simms for not winning the national championship in ‘01 (like we would’ve been within 21 points of Miami…). Simms was loved by his teammates while most thought Applewhite was a dick. Fans shit all over Simms and vandalized his car, and Applewhite fans get mad that Simms doesn’t have the greatest things to say about UT. Applewhite cheated on his pregnant wife with an athletic trainer. Simms could’ve been better with better coaching, but his stats and W/L record didn’t leave much room for improvement. Applewhite probably would’ve won that Big12CCG, but got mauled by Miami. In the end, Greg Davis sucked and it didn’t matter who took the snaps.

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Fans loved Major because it made them feel good. 

Fans loved major because it was a cute underdog story, which they related to. Simms was 100% the better qb, and has ironically been revealed to be the better person as well post playing career

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5 hours ago, immamac said:

what are his statement wins? Punking 2 OU teams that were warmed over dogshit? His TAMU win in CS? His Big XII championship against a shitty OSU? His night win in Tuscaloosa? His win at the big house? ASU to stay alive after blowing it? Clemson?

Well, yeah, those wins.

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7 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Should be noted that Quinn went against the two shittiest Oklahoma teams this century. 
 

You’re literally trying to bring down Colt who was the winningest QB in the history of the sport at the time of his tenure in college, the statistically best QB in program history, a guy who actually played for a title, and has his name hanging in the stadium Is remarkably laughable.
 

Also the Big 12 colt played in was tougher than any conference Quinn played in at Texas. 
 

 

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I said Colt is number 2. Why are you arguing an argument I'm not making? What I AM saying is that let's quit acting like dude didn't cement himself a solid 3rd. OU has been bad in the past and no one has given them the two asswhippings Quinn did. No one! Not even Pete the Great.

 

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I said Colt is number 2. Why are you arguing an argument I'm not making? What I AM saying is that let's quit acting like dude didn't cement himself a solid 3rd. OU has been bad in the past and no one has given them the two asswhippings Quinn did. No one! Not even Pete the Great.

 

He’s not top 4 at all. At best he’s 5 or 6. 
 

OU hasn’t been this bad since John Blake. stoops and Riley’s worst teams are better than these Venables teams. 

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24 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I said Colt is number 2. Why are you arguing an argument I'm not making? What I AM saying is that let's quit acting like dude didn't cement himself a solid 3rd. OU has been bad in the past and no one has given them the two asswhippings Quinn did. No one! Not even Pete the Great.

 

Quinn? 3rd best QB in Texas history? 

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

 what are his statement wins? Punking 2 OU teams that were warmed over dogshit? His TAMU win in CS? His Big XII championship against a shitty OSU? His night win in Tuscaloosa? His win at the big house? ASU to stay alive after blowing it? Clemson?

That Bama win is one of the 10 biggest Texas wins this century when taken in context of the previous 13 years of shit. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He’s not top 4 at all. At best he’s 5 or 6. 
 

OU hasn’t been this bad since John Blake. stoops and Riley’s worst teams are better than these Venables teams. 

Complete hyperbole. This version of OU isn't close to how bad Blake's teams were. Blake's teams went 3-8, 4-8, and 5-6.  Last year's OU team was one Bedlam loss from being in the college football playoff themselves. They aren't a bad team. They are a decent team with bad QB play. Put Gabriel back on that team and they win 10 games this year.

When I said 3rd I mean of our time. If you are bringing Street and Layne into this then Colt isn't second. There is no way Sam Ehlinger is better than Ewers. Outside of last year's OU we lost to teams that were largely more talented than us with Ewers. You cannot say the same about Ehlinger as much as we love him.

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Complete hyperbole. This version of OU isn't close to how bad Blake's teams were. Blake's teams went 3-8, 4-8, and 5-6.  Last year's OU team was one Bedlam loss from being in the college football playoff themselves. They aren't a bad team. They are a decent team with bad QB play. Put Gabriel back on that team and they win 10 games this year.

When I said 3rd I mean of our time. If you are bringing Street and Layne into this then Colt isn't second. There is no way Sam Ehlinger is better than Ewers. Outside of last year's OU we lost to teams that were largely more talented than us with Ewers. You cannot say the same about Ehlinger as much as we love him.

It’s not even hyperbole. Objectively the worst teams are better than 2/3 of Venables teams, all of Riley’s teams are better than Venables OU teams. OU is in the shittiest phase since Blake. That’s all objective. 
 

Did I say Sam Ehlinger? No way is Quinn a better QB than Vince, Street, Colt, or Layne. So at best he’s 5th or 6th. I’d argue Duke Carlisle for 5th because he actually won a title. 

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