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9 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

Boom, roasted.

I mean, the lies aren't even plausible. 

Which, by the way, is part of the point and purpose in telling such lies.  Telling outlandish, preposterous, clear lies sends the message of "we can say and do whatever we want, and nobody can stop us."  If you testify today and say "today is not Tuesday, it's Saturday," and nobody holds you accountable, what you just accomplished is demonstrating that you CANNOT be held accountable, no matter how absurd the conduct.

It's a version of "shoot a man in the face in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose supporters."  The point is not the act, or the lie.  The point is to demonstrate, in full view of all who are watching, that you are not accountable, and cannot be touched, no matter what you do.

These are all textbook authoritarian plays they are running.  Again, I haven't observed or predicted anything that requires a crystal ball.  All you have to do is pick up any of the books (history, commentary, whatever) on "what does a rising authoritarian government do?" and read the fucking plays that are plainly laid out.

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In what world would private conversations between the VP, Sec of Def, intel chiefs not be confidential? Even if they're talking about items that are fully unclassified, expressing their opinions about such items and future plans would 100% be classified.

In a previous world, there would be a independent counsel named today to get to the bottom of this, including instructing those individuals to protect the communications from destruction if not outright destroying it themselves. But none of this will happen.

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5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

In what world would private conversations between the VP, Sec of Def, intel chiefs not be confidential?

Conversations about....military strikes....that specifically identified targets....that specifically discussed how we would strike....two hours before the military action was launched.

The absurdity is that they are saying that "conversations about surprise military strikes ahead of time are not classified."  It's the dumbest fucking lie imaginable, they expect the masses to swallow it....and they're probably right in their expectation because FOX has already downplayed it and repeated the lie, and that will be the end of it.

We are committing national suicide, every fucking day.

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“Totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty.”  

— The Origins of Totalitarianism, “The Temporary Alliance Between the Mob and the Elite,” Hannah Arendt, 1951.

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Just now, washparkhorn said:

“Totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty.”  

— The Origins of Totalitarianism, “The Temporary Alliance Between the Mob and the Elite,” Hannah Arendt, 1951.

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Yep.  Again....THE PLAYS ARE LITERALLY WRITTEN DOWN IN BOOKS ABOUT THIS VERY THING.  THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING CREATIVE OR NEW.

Also, I love this quip I saw about the latest utter fuckup -- "Whiskeyleaks brought to you by DUI hires."

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7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Conversations about....military strikes....that specifically identified targets....that specifically discussed how we would strike....two hours before the military action was launched.

The absurdity is that they are saying that "conversations about surprise military strikes ahead of time are not classified."  It's the dumbest fucking lie imaginable, they expect the masses to swallow it....and they're probably right in their expectation because FOX has already downplayed it and repeated the lie, and that will be the end of it.

We are committing national suicide, every fucking day.

And even if Trump states that the info wasn't classified, it speaks to their incompetence. Also has the govt cleared that Signal can be used for confidential or classified conversations? It very well might be acceptable but I don't know if the govt has said so.

 

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And even if Trump states that the info wasn't classified, it speaks to their incompetence.

But it WAS classified.  By its very nature.  There was no "declassify this" order beforehand.  Maybe he can declassify it NOW, but it was classified at the time.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Also has the govt cleared that Signal can be used for confidential or classified conversations?

I highly doubt it.  But even if it had, what the gov't and gov't officials CANNOT do is set communications by gov't officials about gov't business to be automatically deleted in 4 weeks (which this chat was).  That is a violation of the law, and a crime.  Records of the people's government belong to the people, and may not be destroyed.  Even having them out in "unofficial" channels, where they cannot be archived and kept by the government, is a crime.  This is EXACTLY the problem may people had with Hillary's emails (me among them -- those emails don't belong to her, they belong to ME and my fellow citizens).

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Ossoff is just going down the line laying bare what lying fucks all of these dipshits testifying today are.  That was glorious.   Definitely sound bite worthy dressing down there. 

 

Updated for a couple of portions of Ossoff going off - context was Ratcliffe and Tulsi had been explaining that the group chat was no big because there was no classified info being discussed on the chat.  I'd love for someone like him to take over for Schumer.

 

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10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

.Also has the govt cleared that Signal can be used for confidential or classified conversations? It very well might be acceptable but I don't know if the govt has said so.

Trump thought it so...

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I was told this was a nothingberder yesterday and that no one would even know or care or be talking about it today. 

why is everyone talking about it?

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I wish BYD would sell in the US. 

While Tesla was light years ahead of everyone for a while, from all outward appearances they became sidetracked with the cybertruck disaster and full self driving. I can appreciate trying new moon shot projects but why stop innovating with your products? BYD looks to have innovated well beyond Tesla in many areas.

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“Totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty.”  
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43 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And even if Trump states that the info wasn't classified, it speaks to their incompetence. Also has the govt cleared that Signal can be used for confidential or classified conversations? It very well might be acceptable but I don't know if the govt has said so.

 

No third party app can be used for classified conversations and the biggest issue is the device itself. 

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55 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And even if Trump states that the info wasn't classified, it speaks to their incompetence. Also has the govt cleared that Signal can be used for confidential or classified conversations? It very well might be acceptable but I don't know if the govt has said so.

 

Listening to NPR this morning and they mentioned a DoD memo from last week that specifically warned of using Signal

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1 minute ago, HornPhD said:

Listening to NPR this morning and they mentioned a DoD memo from last week that specifically warned of using Signal

Ahh, but perhaps you missed the central -- and coincidentally, ONLY -- rule/law for MAGA: "RULES FOR THEE, NOT FOR ME."

I'm not being hyperbolic.  That is literally the only governing law/rule in our government right now.  Everything else follows from that.

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Pentagon-wide email recently went out warning about Signal vulnerability

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339801/pentagon-email-signal-vulnerability

A Pentagon-wide advisory went out one week ago warning against using the messaging app Signal, even for unclassified information.

"A vulnerability has been identified in the Signal messenger application," begins the department-wide email, dated March 18, obtained by NPR.

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14 minutes ago, immamac said:

Tesla was never light years ahead of anyone. I don't understand where this narrative came from. Tesla was fucking reckless and killed a bunch of people with unsafe cars and sold a fraction of vehicles and drove a fraction of the "autopilot" miles as other vehicles with advanced Lane Keep assist and other "a little better than cruise control" features. A 2018 Tesla and a 2018 E-Class were damn near the same level of autonomy, and Mercedes Benz has reached level 4 enough to test it https://www.wardsauto.com/autonomous-adas/mercedes-benz-gains-level-4-autonomous-driving-test-license and has had level 3 for nearly 5 years.

Audi has been doing great things for a while as well, as has volvo, as has most of the Japanese mfg in their higher end trims. 

https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x comma has had nearly identical performance numbers to non FSD tesla assist for nearly 4 years on consumer grade hardware with retrofit available for nearly any car on an open source model that is pretty damned good. 

Stop saying hyperbolic shit like tesla being lightyears ahead of anything, they were willing to take insane risks that no rational company would take endangering the lives of their customers and the other people on the road. 

Reported for domestic terrorism. “If you see something say something.”

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Reported for domestic terrorism. “If you see something say something.”

just want to take this moment to let Kash Patel know I have never said an unkind word about our dear leader and his electric cars before they hook up my scrotum to a car battery in Gitmo...

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean, the lies aren't even plausible. 

Which, by the way, is part of the point and purpose in telling such lies.  Telling outlandish, preposterous, clear lies sends the message of "we can say and do whatever we want, and nobody can stop us."  If you testify today and say "today is not Tuesday, it's Saturday," and nobody holds you accountable, what you just accomplished is demonstrating that you CANNOT be held accountable, no matter how absurd the conduct.

It's a version of "shoot a man in the face in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose supporters."  The point is not the act, or the lie.  The point is to demonstrate, in full view of all who are watching, that you are not accountable, and cannot be touched, no matter what you do.

These are all textbook authoritarian plays they are running.  Again, I haven't observed or predicted anything that requires a crystal ball.  All you have to do is pick up any of the books (history, commentary, whatever) on "what does a rising authoritarian government do?" and read the fucking plays that are plainly laid out.

 

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45 minutes ago, HornPhD said:

Pentagon-wide email recently went out warning about Signal vulnerability

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339801/pentagon-email-signal-vulnerability

A Pentagon-wide advisory went out one week ago warning against using the messaging app Signal, even for unclassified information.

"A vulnerability has been identified in the Signal messenger application," begins the department-wide email, dated March 18, obtained by NPR.

So, seems like that email may have went out in response to this? Didn't this whole shitshow of a leak happen on the 15th? 

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Just so all are clear, Ratcliffe and Gabbard are dissembling. They are claiming that nothing classified with IC equities was shared and Hegseth is not there to answer for DOD.  And for any idiots lurking— sequencing, targets, weapons packages, timing are all very fucking classified.  The only plausible defense is that Goldberg completely made up what he said he received. 

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34 minutes ago, UTHornFan014 said:

So, seems like that email may have went out in response to this? Didn't this whole shitshow of a leak happen on the 15th? 

Possibly; however, the NPR article also included this paragraph:

At least as far back as 2023, a DoD memo, also seen by NPR, prohibited use of mobile applications for even "controlled unclassified information," which is many degrees less important than information about on-going military operations.

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6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Just so all are clear, Ratcliffe and Gabbard are dissembling. They are claiming that nothing classified with IC equities was shared and Hegseth is not there to answer for DOD.  And for any idiots lurking— sequencing, targets, weapons packages, timing are all very fucking classified.  The only plausible defense is that Goldberg completely made up what he said he received. 

unless that guy is very, very, very stupid, I think we can rule out making it up. these people are fuckups and this is one of many that have come and many more will come after. they can't help it, they're about as a incompetent as it gets

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8 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The only plausible defense is that Goldberg completely made up what he said he received. 

It doesn't seem plausible at all because the various dickheads involved aren't sticking with that, and instead are throwing out other shit excuses (e.g., it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't classified, Hillary!).

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2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

It doesn't seem plausible at all because the various dickheads involved aren't sticking with that, and instead are throwing out other shit excuses (e.g., it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't classified, Hillary!).

Pretty sure NPR reported this morning the messages had been authenticated by the Pentagon or something similar.

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8 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

That one's a big question mark for me. I might be really naive, but I'd thought the CiC and his whole team would assemble in the Situation Room (or War Room or whatever) for shit like this. But, nope, these folks were scattered to the wind posting shit like they were in a Surly game thread or on Facebook posting a bunch of juvenile shit.

WHERE WAS THE PRESIDENT?

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

I was told this was a nothingberder yesterday and that no one would even know or care or be talking about it today. 

why is everyone talking about it?

Almost assuredly due to luck that the story broke one day before intelligence heads were scheduled to testify on an annual report of security threats to congress. It’s not like the GOP Senate would have willingly sought a hearing on this topic.

But also it shows 1) none of these people are fit for service in handling classified information and 2) they communicate this way regularly on cell phones 

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