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6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

If Goldberg has the goods, he needs to release them now. I respect that he didn't include the so called war plant texts initially to protect national security, but if they are gonna lie you have to drop them now (with redactions if necessary). 

Fuck these traitors. 

Well if none of it's classified (as per that tweet and apparently Tulsi's testimony today in Congress), then he should be free to do so.

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6 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Folks, now is not the time for partisan politics, please do not forget that a trans athlete is playing D3 volleyball in Oregon! 

And has anyone checked its email server?!

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As a follow-up, thoughts from someone I know who had rather high level security clearance for over a decade (via the Senate foreign intelligence committee):

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A couple thoughts about DefSec Hegseth and VP Vance and NatSecAdvisor Waltz using Signal App to plan a military raid on Yemen:

1) it’s against the law, and HUGE security breach too. Hegseth should be fired. Full stop. Waltz should be fired. All those on the call should be fired.

Why? First of all…this horrendous security breach violates many laws…including those that demand official communication occur over official channels. What other sensitive issues have officials been discussing on private messaging apps, avoiding accountability and compromising security?

Second, this highly classified conversation should never, ever, take place on a “low end” (as opposed to classified) communication platform. The fact that signal is encrypted is irrelevant. As we know, the users of the app are numerous, and most have no security clearances or reason to be included, and yet the editor the Atlantic had a front row seat….

….This from an administration that called for Hillary Clinton to be jailed for using a secure server and referencing information at the lowest level (confidential) with no national security implications. Talk about hypocrisy…..

Incompetence. Complete disregard for procedure. Putting lives at risk.

Who else has ALREADY been granted access to highly sensitive USG classified info? China? Putin? And how would we know, since some have set the messages to disappear after a few days? There is no way even to assess the damage!

The entire national security team should be sacked.

Key points, not just coming from us lay people, but from someone who was occasionally in the room as strikes were being discussed, prepared, and launched:

1) using non gov't apps and devices to communicate official info is intended to avoid accountability and the legal requirements of maintaining records of gov't action.

2) everyone knows that this is an unacceptable security risk.

3) failures like this actually put the lives of our "warfighters" (man, the conservatives love that word, so let's use it) at risk.  If news of planned targets and delivery platforms (F-18s) were leaked in advance, the enemy would have had the opportunity to put AA resources along the way, possibly shooting down and killing some of our aircrews.

It was done for an illegal and criminal purpose, and created risk not just in theory, but to actual lives of American servicemembers, all because we are staffed with criminal rank amateurs. Fucking well-done, Trump administration.  I'd call your entire admin a shitshow, but that would be an insult to turds that actually perform the function of evacuating waste from the human body.

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1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

Well if none of it's classified (as per that tweet and apparently Tulsi's testimony today in Congress), then he should be free to do so.

 

I'm guessing it's not going to be classified (or may not be as of this morning) because Trump has decided what was in there was not classified.

There's a reason that Tulsi testified today that there was no classified information within the group chat.  So, either it still is classified and she perjured herself, or Trump declassified it this morning.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

I'm guessing it's not going to be classified (or may not be as of this morning) because Trump has decided what was in there was not classified.

There's a reason that Tulsi testified today that there was no classified information within the group chat.  So, either it still is classified and she perjured herself, or Trump declassified it this morning.

 

 

 

 

 

He imagined it was declassified, and so it was.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

There's a huge part of me that feels Goldberg should have waited to "burn his source" to see what else they were going to share on the chat.

Agreed, I wish he woulda let it play out. Maybe written a ghost blog without fanfare just tucked away

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3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

If hackers can hit the Oscars and download photos of every starlet's snatch, I'm pretty sure that the Kremlin can do the same level of hacking.

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7 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

oh for fuck's sake

 

 

Well....doesn't matter now, because the POTUS insists that the entire thread is NOT classified.  So, her cover is blown, as a matter of fact and law....unless, of course, the POTUS doesn't mean/is lying about the thread not being classified.

Which is it, Whiskeyleaks team.....is all the info not classified, so our asset's cover is blown, or is it classified, so that Whiskeyleaks fucked up and shared classified information?

God, these people are such giant lying sacks of shit.

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Just so all are clear, Ratcliffe and Gabbard are dissembling. They are claiming that nothing classified with IC equities was shared and Hegseth is not there to answer for DOD.  And for any idiots lurking— sequencing, targets, weapons packages, timing are all very fucking classified.  The only plausible defense is that Goldberg completely made up what he said he received. 

Also known as the "rubes Goldberg" defense.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I heard it was the NSC. 

If I’m the guy at NSC that authenticated those messages, I’m watching my back. 

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Posted
5 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I wish I had more time to read a book like that one.

It is an easy read. 15 minutes each night will get the nightmares flowing and you will done in no time.

I think I will put that one the nightstand because sometimes it's good to escape back into simpler less evil times.

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2 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

There's a huge part of me that feels Goldberg should have waited to "burn his source" to see what else they were going to share on the chat.

Could have gotten some nudes maybe

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23 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The very funniest outcome is if Waltz’ phone and Signal was actually hacked and the GRU added Goldberg into the chat and contacts so this would happen. 

I'm enjoying their argument that "this fucking guy just hopped on the chat". 

Oh really. So that's where you were having these discussions. On a forum where someone can just "hop on" and join your text thread about who and where we're about to bomb. Like openly. Where you could see him. And not one person said a thing.

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6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I'm enjoying their argument that "this fucking guy just hopped on the chat". 

Oh really. So that's where you were having these discussions. On a forum where someone can just "hop on" and join your text thread about who and where we're about to bomb. Like openly. Where you could see him. And not one person said a thing.


an AOL swingers chat room circa 1999. Just hop on in. 

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You really can't make this shit up.  Putin absolutely has to be laughing his ass off.  Also the foxnews effort to try to 'no big deal' this one is pathetic - even by their pathetic standards. 

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It is an easy read. 15 minutes each night will get the nightmares flowing and you will done in no time.
I think I will put that one the nightstand because sometimes it's good to escape back into simpler less evil times.

Yeah it’s pretty infuriating. Plenty of her articles are on her website and substack page.

She will be in Austin 4/15 to promote her new book.
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See, Laura, it's an honest mistake.  I meant to bring Goldberg the wrestler into the chat since I met him at a bar and he was so cool that I invited him to bomb some places with us.  But like a doofus, I clicked on Jeffrey Goldberg instead of just Goldberg.  Guess my morning cocaine hadn't kicked in yet!  Could happen to anybody, right? 

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9 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

But it WAS classified.  By its very nature.  There was no "declassify this" order beforehand.  Maybe he can declassify it NOW, but it was classified at the time.

I highly doubt it.  But even if it had, what the gov't and gov't officials CANNOT do is set communications by gov't officials about gov't business to be automatically deleted in 4 weeks (which this chat was).  That is a violation of the law, and a crime.  Records of the people's government belong to the people, and may not be destroyed.  Even having them out in "unofficial" channels, where they cannot be archived and kept by the government, is a crime.  This is EXACTLY the problem may people had with Hillary's emails (me among them -- those emails don't belong to her, they belong to ME and my fellow citizens).

AFAIK, Signal satisfies the encryption level needed for government communications at high levels of secrecy.

BUT, there are several reasons it is impossible to believe this was somehow authorized (except maybe by some kangaroo IT):  it allows you to add in any goddam schmo like Goldberg; it can be installed and used on an insecure device; it permits deletion, rather than archiving, government communications.  Even before FOIA, it was recognized and SOP for the government to keep just about every document, memo, letter and note pertaining to government decisions, as brisket notes.  That shit belongs to US, even if we don't get to see it for a couple of decades.

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49 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

You really can't make this shit up.  Putin absolutely has to be laughing his ass off.  Also the foxnews effort to try to 'no big deal' this one is pathetic - even by their pathetic standards. 

I went to the Fox website last night.  There were exactly two "stories" on this:  video of Trump disclaiming any knowledge and video of Hegseth shitting on Goldberg and not answering the question.

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5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

AFAIK, Signal satisfies the encryption level needed for government communications at high levels of secrecy.

BUT, there are several reasons it is impossible to believe this was somehow authorized (except maybe by some kangaroo IT):  it allows you to add in any goddam schmo like Goldberg; it can be installed and used on an insecure device; it permits deletion, rather than archiving, government communications.  Even before FOIA, it was recognized and SOP for the government to keep just about every document, memo, letter and note pertaining to government decisions, as brisket notes.  That shit belongs to US, even if we don't get to see it for a couple of decades.

A cell phone— even a government cell phone— is not allowed to be in the same room as a machine that is used to process what Hegseth sent, assuming Goldberg’s description is accurate. You can’t even bring your AirPods  in those rooms. 
 

The military has only recently been issuing mobile kits where you can get that kind of access to intelligence to the the field and not need to go back to a more permanent base. 
 

https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3948514/pacaf-airmen-develop-ace-capabilities-with-deployable-jwics/

 

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Airmen from Pacific Air Forces Headquarters recently developed a new capability to improve Agile Combat Employment operations across the Indo-Pacific Area of Responsibility.

Members of the Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) Directorate created a highly mobile deployable Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System (JWICS) kit that PACAF and transient units can set up while deployed to austere locations across the Indo-Pacific. The kit allows Airmen to extend critical ISR data and applications on the most secure network at the tactical edge.

“In the past, deployed units would have limited, if any, down-range intel processing capabilities, and would have to call back to larger bases for support,” said Col. Aaron Cooper, PACAF Intelligence (A2) director. “These kits will allow for a mobile team to be at hub-and-spoke locations giving commanders immediate support.”

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Auto Driller said:

Goldberg is clearly signaling intention to release additional details of the chat. Like any good investigative reporter, he didn’t say everything he knew up front. He wanted to give them an opportunity to initiate a coverup and then come back for more once their cover stories have been set.

He needs to be protected at all costs. No shadow of a doubt he has been marked by this regime. Trump will start up the veiled threats against him any minute. 

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There is a very real chance that our brave service members are going to die because these idiots decide to text battle plans or other classified info. What a fun simulation! The adults are indeed back. 

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6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

There is a very real chance that our brave service members are going to die because these idiots decide to text battle plans or other classified info. What a fun simulation! The adults are indeed back. 


A close relation of mine is in the service in an extremely sensitive part of the world for the next few months and these no talent assclowns are giving us all sleepless nights as a result. 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I'm enjoying their argument that "this fucking guy just hopped on the chat". 

Oh really. So that's where you were having these discussions. On a forum where someone can just "hop on" and join your text thread about who and where we're about to bomb. Like openly. Where you could see him. And not one person said a thing.

This must be part of the radical transparency that Elon likes to talk about. Any of us can now just hop on to a text thread to give our input on these decisions.

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45 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

AFAIK, Signal satisfies the encryption level needed for government communications at high levels of secrecy.

BUT, there are several reasons it is impossible to believe this was somehow authorized (except maybe by some kangaroo IT):  it allows you to add in any goddam schmo like Goldberg; it can be installed and used on an insecure device; it permits deletion, rather than archiving, government communications.  Even before FOIA, it was recognized and SOP for the government to keep just about every document, memo, letter and note pertaining to government decisions, as brisket notes.  That shit belongs to US, even if we don't get to see it for a couple of decades.

Not to mention the pentagon had specifically warned about foreign adversaries penatrating Signal

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339801/pentagon-email-signal-vulnerability

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So uh yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you and imma that it satisfies opsec requirements 

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Posted
40 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

A cell phone— even a government cell phone— is not allowed to be in the same room as a machine that is used to process what Hegseth sent, assuming Goldberg’s description is accurate. You can’t even bring your AirPods  in those rooms. 
 

The military has only recently been issuing mobile kits where you can get that kind of access to intelligence to the the field and not need to go back to a more permanent base. 
 

https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3948514/pacaf-airmen-develop-ace-capabilities-with-deployable-jwics/

 

 

Yea, but even if Hegseth left his cell phone on the bar counter in Moscow, I'm sure he has that thing strongly password protected.

 

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31 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

There is a very real chance that our brave service members are going to die because these idiots decide to text battle plans or other classified info. What a fun simulation! The adults are indeed back. 

Well to quote Trump, "they'll be suckers and losers"

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Posted
2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

“The number just gets sucked in.”

”Sucked into what?”

”Jerry all the phones do it. They just suck the number into the contacts.”

”Kramer you don’t even know what a contact is.”

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No. Never. Not even once. That’s literally never happened to me.



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