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I went to a Principles First dinner in Dallas tonight and Colin Allred was the primary guest. He was talking about this particular situation and the vulnerability of Signal and said there were times where they didn’t even take devices with them to foreign countries because of their vulnerability. He said this was also protocol in some countries that are considered our allies.

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25 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No. Never. Not even once. That’s literally never happened to me.

Can’t remember where I saw it today but “my teenage daughter’s group chat has considerably more OPSEC than this group of morons.”

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My theory:

Waltz invited random cabinet members to the chat that he thought needed to be there.  Some folks invite twenty people to a meeting when four would do.

He thought, ok, this might be trade related so why not invite Jamieson Greer, who is the US Trade Representative in Trump's cabinet.  So he invited "JG" to the chat, who was not JG the cabinet member but JG the editor of The Atlantic.  Whoops.

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Interesting thing I noticed while at a port city last week. A large strange looking boat was pulling out of port. There were government workers of all types watching it leave. It was clear that it was highly unusual for it to have been in this port and its leaving was also an unusual event. 

When I did some research on it, I realized it is a Navy ship that lays underwater fuel cables in advance of combat operations. It is a very shady ship. So shit is about to happen in a significant way. This went out into the Pacific, not the Atlantic. It was really weird. 

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While I will continue laughing at Waltz and Hegseth, let’s take a look at this stream of consciousness bullshit put out by the MAGA world asshole who is leading Greenland pressure. DOGE should be interested in the multiyear funding for dog sled racing.  Also, Sugar Land address. 
 

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8 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No. Never. Not even once. That’s literally never happened to me.

Further illustrating what a dildo this guy is.  I assume that he means when you install a communication app, it immediately wants to add all your contacts to the app.

Security-wise, that in itself is a problem, but it still doesn't explain why an unknown party was added to the chat.

I get asked to use WhatsApp from time to time for international conference calls.  It always wants to "suck in" all of my contacts and while I guess convenient if you intend to use it regularly, the idea of facing book having all my contacts doesn't sit well with me.  Nor do I like the idea of having my number or contact information out in some "directory" somewhere.  Hell, for that matter, I don't like facing book having my phone number.

So, if a client insists on using whatsapp, I'll install it temporarily, not let it "suck in" my contacts, and uninstall it as soon as I can.

Also, one time I failed to uninstall it, and I'm not sure what happened exactly, but a client of a Jamaican lawyer that sends me work started calling and texting on whatsapp directly.  I assume they had my number and email from emails forwarded by the Jamaican lawyer, but they didn't ever call on my phone or email, just WhatsApp.  I found that weird and unnerving.

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Is there some rule in MAGAworld where they have to include about 3 words of Latin in every post?

Not enough where they get into any serious noun declension or verb conjugation, lest they be considered a liberal bookfag. Instead it's just enough to excite the pseudo-intellectual incel portion of the base that likes to cosplay as Caesar Augustus.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Read for yourself: Here are the attack plans that Trump advisers shared on Signal.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/

 

Came to post this.

The Atlantic (and Goldberg) just flopped their cocks out on the table.

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At a Senate hearing yesterday, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Ratcliffe, were both asked about the Signal chat, to which Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, was inadvertently invited by National Security Adviser Michael Waltz. “There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal group,” Gabbard told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Ratcliffe said much the same: “My communications, to be clear, in the Signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”

President Donald Trump, asked yesterday afternoon about the same matter, said, “It wasn’t classified information.”

 

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These statements presented us with a dilemma. In The Atlantic’s initial story about the Signal chat—the “Houthi PC small group,” as it was named by Waltz—we withheld specific information related to weapons and to the timing of attacks that we found in certain texts. As a general rule, we do not publish information about military operations if that information could possibly jeopardize the lives of U.S. personnel. That is why we chose to characterize the nature of the information being shared, not specific details about the attacks.

 

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The statements by Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, and Trump—combined with the assertions made by numerous administration officials that we are lying about the content of the Signal texts—have led us to believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions. There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisers included in nonsecure communications channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared.

 

 

 

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Yesterday, we asked officials across the Trump administration if they objected to us publishing the full texts. In emails to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, and the White House, we wrote, in part: “In light of statements today from multiple administration officials, including before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the information in the Signal chain about the Houthi strike is not classified, and that it does not contain ‘war plans,’ The Atlantic is considering publishing the entirety of the Signal chain.”

We sent our first request for comment and feedback to national-security officials shortly after noon, and followed up in the evening after most failed to answer.

Late yesterday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt emailed a response: “As we have repeatedly stated, there was no classified information transmitted in the group chat. However, as the CIA Director and National Security Advisor have both expressed today, that does not mean we encourage the release of the conversation. This was intended to be a an [sic] internal and private deliberation amongst high-level senior staff and sensitive information was discussed. So for those reason [sic] — yes, we object to the release.” (The Leavitt statement did not address which elements of the texts the White House considered sensitive, or how, more than a week after the initial air strikes, their publication could have bearing on national security.)

A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.

As we wrote on Monday, much of the conversation in the “Houthi PC small group” concerned the timing and rationale of attacks on the Houthis, and contained remarks by Trump-administration officials about the alleged shortcomings of America’s European allies. But on the day of the attack—Saturday, March 15—the discussion veered toward the operational.

 

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

 

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”

Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.

Later that afternoon, Hegseth posted: “CENTCOM was/is on point.” Notably, he then told the group that attacks would be continuing. “Great job all. More strikes ongoing for hours tonight, and will provide full initial report tomorrow. But on time, on target, and good readouts so far.”

 

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4 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Watching his molly kick in right before he testified in front of Congress was rather amusing 

Dude was so happy he wasn’t on the text group

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25 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

It is not classified if the President says it is not classified. That's the lesson Trump learned in his documents case. 

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14 minutes ago, immamac said:

I was told that no one cared and that people would move on. 

I was told that signal met opsec and encryption needs for this stuff. Nobody bats 1000

And it will remain to be seen if anything actually happens over this, or if the administration just says "fuck are you gonna do about it?" and the republicans fall in line

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I was told that signal met opsec and encryption needs for this stuff. Nobody bats 1000

And it will remain to be seen if anything actually happens over this, or if the administration just says "fuck are you gonna do about it?" and the republicans fall in line

What? I said the E2EE worked fine I never said anything about this being okay or even remotely proper. I was simply arguing that these guys (who now have proven my point) are just massively stupid and preferred convenience over some malicious plan to subvert recordskeeping. 

No one has disputed the encryption working, because it does in fact work. 

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

If texags is any indication, “THIS ONLY REVEALS TIMES, NO LOCATIONS… NOTHINGBURGER!!!” will be the rallying cry.

This is going to be the argument, and it will work because people are stupid. 
 

Intel is fitting together puzzle pieces where the box doesn’t have all the pieces needed and some extras from a different set are mixed in.  At a minimum, Hegseth texted all of the straight edge pieces put together and gave them a LOT of the picture.   Enough to put lives at risk and ABSOLUTELY enough to completely undermine the impact. 

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10 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

If texags is any indication, “THIS ONLY REVEALS TIMES, NO LOCATIONS… NOTHINGBURGER!!!” will be the rallying cry.

Texags pretty much all the time these days:

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I dunno, geniuses, if I'm a Houthi leader / critically valuable to the Houthi cause and  hear "Target Terrorist is @ his known location" and "1st strike window starts at 1345", I would view that as pretty important information, especially if I'm in relatively close proximity with other leadership with air defense assets nearby.

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So in this situation, what's the mechanism for classifying material?  Obviously everything Pete texted SHOULD be classified, but was it actually? 

I ask because It actually feels like the administration is arguing semantics when they say it wasn't classified- as in, it should have been but technically wasn't.  It would certainly be on brand if they're using the incompetence of failure to classify the material as their excuse for why it wasn't illegal to share it.   

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I'll ask again: Why was POTUS not in on this call? He's the fucking CiC.

Why wasn't he "commanding" instead of leaving it all up to these goofballs to gossip about the attack like they were in a FB private group? 

Whatever happened to gathering in the Situation Room or War Room or whatever they call it? We were bombing another country for Pete's sake.

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8 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I don't know anything about it. Also, there was no classified information.

I don't know if he's always done this, but I've seen him do it a bunch recently. Says he knows absolutely nothing about something, and then proceeds to talk about it. 

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49 minutes ago, immamac said:

I was told that no one cared and that people would move on. 

Give the propaganda machine a few days. The only person to see any consequences from this will be Goldberg. 
 

I hope I’m wrong but courage is extinct in the GQP. 

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33 minutes ago, immamac said:

What? I said the E2EE worked fine I never said anything about this being okay or even remotely proper. I was simply arguing that these guys (who now have proven my point) are just massively stupid and preferred convenience over some malicious plan to subvert recordskeeping. 

No one has disputed the encryption working, because it does in fact work. 

Stupidity and malevolence are not mutually exclusive. Yes, the administration appears to be full of fucking morons. Those morons may also have just enough wherewithal to want to cover up their actions.

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1 minute ago, The Royal We said:

Give the propaganda machine a few days. The only person to see any consequences from this will be Goldberg. 
 

I hope I’m wrong but courage is extinct in the GQP. 

Playing it out, let's say our wildest dreams come true and everyone on the chat except for JD is forced to resign...

Cool, so what? Are there replacements going to be any more competent? Nothing will ever stick to Trump, nor will voters care about this next November.

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18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'll ask again: Why was POTUS not in on this call? He's the fucking CiC.

Why wasn't he "commanding" instead of leaving it all up to these goofballs to gossip about the attack like they were in a FB private group? 

Whatever happened to gathering in the Situation Room or War Room or whatever they call it? We were bombing another country for Pete's sake.

Wasn’t he busy playing golf?

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58 minutes ago, immamac said:

I was told that no one cared and that people would move on. 

You got me, bro. There are people still talking about it today, which was my entire and only point. I hope you keep this schtick up for another week. Please let us know when everything blows up. I did see that Susan Collins said that this was inconceivable, so I was wrong that she would rise to that level of disgust. 

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20 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't know if he's always done this, but I've seen him do it a bunch recently. Says he knows absolutely nothing about something, and then proceeds to talk about it. 

Yep, that's his go-to move lately. The immediate follow-up from pool reporters should be "Mr. President, does it trouble you that you don't know anything about this?"

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

You got me, bro. There are people still talking about it today, which was my entire and only point. I hope you keep this schtick up for another week. Please let us know when everything blows up. I did see that Susan Collins said that this was inconceivable, so I was wrong that she would rise to that level of disgust. 

I don't think they let the bone go till something happens tbh. This isn't manufactured outrage it's actual reality based outrage at an absolutely outrageous and beyond stupid action by multiple senior members of the cabinet. There is merit in making this not go away beyond pretty much any political scandal in the last decade. 

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

You got me, bro. There are people still talking about it today, which was my entire and only point. I hope you keep this schtick up for another week. Please let us know when everything blows up. I did see that Susan Collins said that this was inconceivable, so I was wrong that she would rise to that level of disgust. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Yep, that's his go-to move lately. The immediate follow-up from pool reporters should be "Mr. President, does it trouble you that you don't know anything about this?"

He managed to pull that the entire campaign about Project 2025. I’ve never read it, don’t know anything about it, no idea what it’s about…

Never faced a single follow up question (that I saw) that asked him if the thought maybe he should familiarize himself with it 

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8 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

 

Shit, then....I must be the cock-of-th-walk then.

But he also forgets one thing about doomerism: it is accurate.  Like a 95% hit rate on being right.  That's important.  We need to stop being surprised by each new horror that happens - they are all predictable, and indeed are usually already predicted.

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3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Interesting thing I noticed while at a port city last week. A large strange looking boat was pulling out of port. There were government workers of all types watching it leave. It was clear that it was highly unusual for it to have been in this port and its leaving was also an unusual event. 

When I did some research on it, I realized it is a Navy ship that lays underwater fuel cables in advance of combat operations. It is a very shady ship. So shit is about to happen in a significant way. This went out into the Pacific, not the Atlantic. It was really weird. 

Interesting



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