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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

History tells me that it isn't the act that ultimately brings down the heart, it is the coverup.

Sincerely, Watergate, Iran-Contra, tec

Same history tells me that Republican presidents and the White Heritage Society insiders who advise them learned everything they needed to know from Nixon and have been immune from said "bringing down" ever since. See: Reagan, Bush, Trump. 

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4 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Same history tells me that Republican presidents and the White Heritage Society insiders who advise them learned everything they needed to know from Nixon and have been immune from said "bringing down" ever since. See: Reagan, Bush, Trump. 

Exactly. Don't resign. No one in the GOP has the balls to vote to impeach. Lie, deny, threaten, intimidate, distract.

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We live in a world where objectively corrupt/criminal/r worded actions are defended by the masses. People actively defend it on national platforms. People actively diminish it in social circles. It is easy to do because their God king has emboldened them, they feel safe. Once reality sets in and their safety is threatened, it will be too late. It is coming, and it will be brutal. All you can do is prepare and make sure you only look out for number 1. That is the new normal. But have no fear, the easy way to spot the enemy is to look for the people on their knees with a billionaires cock in their mouth.  

I kid I kid. Everything is going swimmingly and we should love our new overlords.  I know I do. I am going to thrive in this new world order.

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10 hours ago, Red Five said:

I don't know if he's always done this, but I've seen him do it a bunch recently. Says he knows absolutely nothing about something, and then proceeds to talk about it. 

He’s always done it. Anytime shit goes sideways he claims he knows nothing about it, or doesn’t know the person (often despite photos showing him with that person), etc. He takes no responsibility for anything bad, claims he’s responsible for everything good. That’s always been his M.O.

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18 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

We live in a world where objectively corrupt/criminal/r worded actions are defended by the masses. People actively defend it on national platforms. People actively diminish it in social circles. It is easy to do because their God king has emboldened them, they feel safe. Once reality sets in and their safety is threatened, it will be too late. It is coming, and it will be brutal. All you can do is prepare and make sure you only look out for number 1. That is the new normal. But have no fear, the easy way to spot the enemy is to look for the people on their knees with a billionaires cock in their mouth.  

I kid I kid. Everything is going swimmingly and we should love our new overlords.  I know I do. I am going to thrive in this new world order.

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7 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

We live in a world where objectively corrupt/criminal/r worded actions are defended by the masses. People actively defend it on national platforms. People actively diminish it in social circles. It is easy to do because their God king has emboldened them, they feel safe. Once reality sets in and their safety is threatened, it will be too late. It is coming, and it will be brutal. All you can do is prepare and make sure you only look out for number 1. That is the new normal. But have no fear, the easy way to spot the enemy is to look for the people on their knees with a billionaires cock in their mouth.  

 

Thanks, Obama.

As a card-carrying member of the anyone-but-a-Republican-party who caucuses with the Democrats and always votes that way, I think it's safe to say Obama failed America by letting the criminals in the Bush administration get off scot-free with their PNAC endeavors, War on Terror/Operation Iraqi Freedom bullshit, and the post-9/11 contortions of established legal principles to make torture an accepted practice. The fact that such an immensely talented communicator as Obama  who ran a successful campaign on an anti-war/change message and reverted back to business-as-usual politics when the moment demanded so much more makes me wonder what could have been had he been less about looking forward and more about restoring our faith in accountability at the highest levels of power.

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7 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

And the thing is that literally every liberal I've ever talked to agrees that Hillary probably should have gotten some sort of consequence for that.  And Hunter Biden deserved to be investigated, and if he did anything wrong, imprisoned.  And the same goes for his dad, if he was involved.

But I have never heard a single Republican admit that Trump deserved any consequences, or even an investigation, for anything.

My favorite thing to do with Republicans is just ask them, everything else aside, do you believe that Donald Trump is a good man?  Simple yes or no, is he a decent human being, a good man?

Then watch them squirm, because there isn't a Jesse Watters talking point for that, and they know they can't say, "Yes, I believe that he is."

This is a serious problem.  If basic integrity isn't the first test a candidate has to pass, then we are lost.  If people will vote for and defend a man that they know to be a bad person simply because he gives them what they want (they believe), then we are lost.  There is no bringing these people back to sanity.

I asked someone a question like that "Simple yes or no, is he a decent human being, a good man?"   They replied that they don't expect the President to be a choir boy.   There is no getting through to them.

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1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

I asked someone a question like that "Simple yes or no, is he a decent human being, a good man?"   They replied that they don't expect the President to be a choir boy.   There is no getting through to them.

who among us hasn't talked with our locker room bros about grabbing em by the pussy?

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Wow he's gonna die on this hill? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

He's not gonna die on any hill. He knows he's lying, he knows the whole world knows he's lying, and he also knows he is safe to continue to say or do whatever the fuck he wants because his party has control right now and they havent stopped him from this bullshit one time in 8 years. 

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1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

Thanks, Obama.

As a card-carrying member of the anyone-but-a-Republican-party who caucuses with the Democrats and always votes that way, I think it's safe to say Obama failed America by letting the criminals in the Bush administration get off scot-free with their PNAC endeavors, War on Terror/Operation Iraqi Freedom bullshit, and the post-9/11 contortions of established legal principles to make torture an accepted practice. The fact that such an immensely talented communicator as Obama  who ran a successful campaign on an anti-war/change message and reverted back to business-as-usual politics when the moment demanded so much more makes me wonder what could have been had he been less about looking forward and more about restoring our faith in accountability at the highest levels of power.

The fact that you believe this is the problem. There was never a world where this didn't happen. The fairness doctrine and citizens united were the final nail in the coffin for America. Add in the internet with the algorithms that reinforce everything the idiots believe... Everything was over but the crying after that. No president or prosecution would matter after that. We live in a world where the idiots don't fear shame. They have millions on their side armed with a computer that directs them to whatever confirms their beliefs and it allows them to feel smart enmass. 

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1 minute ago, Blotto said:

He's not gonna die on any hill. He knows he's lying, he knows the whole world knows he's lying, and he also knows he is safe to continue to say or do whatever the fuck he wants because his party has control right now and they havent stopped him from this bullshit one time in 8 years. 

And he also knows that anyone in his party feeling the heat from constituents isn't going to say shit because of the implied threat of violence from the MAGA goons and the very real threat of a primary challenge funded by the world's richest man. Trump is accountable to no one now that our idiotic electorate deemed him redeemed. 

If only that kid hadn't missed.....

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. 
 

Exactly what one would expect from a narcissistic sexual predator. 

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Interesting analysis of Signalgate, and this passage is illuminating:

 

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Then we get to another part of the power dynamics we’re learning from the chat: JD Vance is powerless. Any other vice president in the last half-century could have and absolutely would have gotten the national security advisor immediately fired over this scandal. Let’s summarize it as such: The national security advisor accidentally included a top journalist in an exclusive backroom chat of the administration’s senior-most officials, where the vice president expressed his private disagreement with the president’s public policy decisions. How on earth can JD Vance let that stand?

 

https://www.doomsdayscenario.co/p/the-five-scandals-and-one-fascinating-political-insight-of-signalgate

 

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Today, after 24 hours where the Trump administration stonewalled and lied about the full scope of “Signalgate,” The Atlantic went ahead and published the full group chat, including operational details and a participants’ list that it had previously withheld because Jeffrey Goldberg and Shane Harris turn out to be more responsible with the nation’s secrets than the most senior members of the president’s Cabinet.

 

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Across the last 48 hours, “Signalgate” has morphed from one scandal — the insane inclusion of one of the nation’s top journalists in one of the world’s most elite and secret group chats into what I think is best thought of as five distinct but overlapping scandals, as well as providing some fascinating political insight into who has power and how decisions get made in Trump II. 

Let’s break down the five scandals first, any one of which should be cause for resignations, congressional hearings, criminal investigations, or even a special prosecutor: 

 

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1) A massive leak of sensitive information. This is the clear, first-order, simplest-to-understand scandal: The president’s own national security advisor added a top journalist to a text thread and then the secretary of defense posted a bunch of classified information and the nation’s top officials debated and then celebrated a successful military action without being clear that they were doing so in front of one of the most experienced national security analysts of our time. Late Monday, Pete Hegseth — in something that can only be described as a drunken-frat-boy-angling-for-a-late-night fight-in-a-college-bar rant — attacked Jeffrey Goldberg and largely seemed to deride the entire thing as a hoax. “Nobody was texting war plans,” he said, despite a National Security Council confirmation saying the conversation thread appeared to be authentic.  

The spin since has focused on how this wasn’t any ole big deal and nothing anyone should bother caring about, but the full publication of the group chat’s operational details make clear that at the very least the information shared would have been appropriately classified at the “secret” level. In fact, the information in the chat — specific details, including the aircraft, weapons, and timing of an impending military action, is as basic a level of obviously classified information as one can get. In fact, following the Pentagon’s own guidance, it’s even clear that one should bias towards overclassifying “overall operational plans” at the start of an operation. Here’s a graphic prepared by a former CIA attorney putting side-by-side the text thread and the classification guidelines:

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Any denials or obfuscation or too-cute-by-half arguments about whether this was technically a “classified war plan” is belied by the simplest public understanding of the texts and their content. This is, as Joe Biden would say, a BFD. 

2) Perjury to Congress. The release of the full texts today by The Atlantic make clear that Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and CIA Director John Ratcliffe danced all the way up to the line multiple times yesterday of perjuring themselves before a congressional hearing—and, almost certainly, over it. “There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal group,” DNI Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday during a previously scheduled annual “worldwide threats” hearing. 

She and Ratcliffe repeated versions of that quote many times, and we should be rightly concerned — and worried and horrified! — about how casually two of the nation’s most senior national security officials misled (and, more accurately, liedto) Congress and the American people under oath. Congress should be outraged over this on both sides of the aisle. Once the perjury starts, checks and balances start to fall aside. As I wrote on Monday: There is no shame in this administration — and that, in and of itself, should deeply deeply concern us as citizens. A functioning democracy requires public officials capable of shame and embarrassment and accountability.

3) A clear (and clearly criminal) violation of the Federal Records Act. I also wrote Monday hours after the first publication that the whole event indicates that the Trump administration is clearly conducting business on Signal as a way to evade conversations being rightly preserved under the Federal Records Act. It’s clear from how they engage on the thread that this is routine — and it makes clear there are probably all sorts of Signal group chats taking place simultaneously on other troubling topics. Surely the same Signal text threads existed on other topics — like, for instance, the decision to ignore a court order stopping the extraordinary rendition of those hundreds of detainees to a life of slave labor in El Salvador. Surely Stephen Miller, who was a major participant on the Waltz-Hegseth Signal group had the same communications going about the detainee flights—and probably other topics. 

Now we have even more clear evidence: The new, full Signal chat shows how Mike Waltz changed the Signal group chat “disappearing messages” timeline from one week to four weeks — that is about as clear a sign of “intent” as a prosecutor could hope to find if you conducting a criminal investigation into an official’s attempts to circumvent the Federal Records Act by destroying protected government communications and records. He actively changed the setting!

There are a million questions to be answered now in court — and, one hopes, congressional hearings will dig into these violations with anywhere near the enthusiasm that we spent years of hearings about Hillary Clinton’s emails.  

To me, the Signal group chat is best understood as an artifact of the January 6thinvestigation: The Trump team is operating less like a government and more like a mafia family — it learned the danger from the text messages uncovered by the January 6th Committee investigation and now doesn’t want to leave a trace about debate and decisions.

4) A government IT scandal. Remember how exercised the entire national media and particularly the GOP (and even James Comey!) got over Hillary Clinton’s emails? This is way way way way worse—particularly at this exact moment in time. 

A major part of the conversation I’ve had with former government officials over the last 48 hours has focused on what might be called the second-order scandal inside Signalgate: What devices, exactly, were these group chats being conducted on? There are two options, both troublesome for different reasons: The Cabinet members are either chatting away on their personal devices or they’ve installed Signal, a commercial application, on their government cell phones or desktop computers. Asked in yesterday’s hearing, Gabbard refused to say whether she was using a personal device or a government device. She didn’t answer because either answer is trouble. 

To fully understand how compromising and worrisome this Signal exchange is, one needs to pull back and understand one of the biggest cybersecurity threats of the moment. For months, US officials have been pulling out their hair over a set of Chinese intrusions broadly known as “Salt Typhoon.” Salt Typhoon has been absolutely pillaging US telecom networks in recent months, in ways that it’s not even clear the US government and network providers fully understand six months later. Last fall, there was public reporting that Salt Typhoon had attempted to compromise Donald Trump’s and JD Vance’s phones. It’s not clear at all that the government and telecom providers are out of the woods on Salt Typhoon yet. 

All of which raises the question: Who else was reading the Signal group chat (and other Signal group chats)? Odds are non-zero that at least China and perhaps Russia would have been able to read those conversations too if they were happening on the officials’ personal devices—and perhaps even if they were happening on nonsecure government devices. 

Sure, Signal messages are encrypted between devices, but they are not encrypted if you get access to the underlying device — that’s routinely how law enforcement is able to uncover conspiracies among people who think they’re communicating securely. So if Salt Typhoon or another so-called “Advanced Persistent Threat” from a foreign adversary has successfully exploited the personal devices of a Cabinet official or, say, Vice President Vance, there’s every possibility they read the chat too. And if the officials instead are installing Signal on their official government devices or, particularly, their government desktops, that doesn’t bode well for how seriously their taking their own “infosec.” (There’s good reasonto believe that the Trump administration is installing Signal on the devices of senior officials, against the government’s own recommendations.) As one former senior US official said to me yesterday: “Once you own the phone or PC, game over. You have all the chats unencrypted.” 

Also, not for nothing, it’s come out that at least one member of the group chat, Trump envoy Steve Witkoff was in Russia at the time of the conversation, a place where US officials are supposed to extra super duper careful about their IT systems and comms systems.  

One of the most head-scratching aspects of this particular thread of scandal is how unnecessary it all was: Everyone in this group chat has entire teams of people who travel with them everywhere to allow them to have constant secure communications systems. They travel with classified devices and even entire portable “SCIFs,” Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, specially designed to protect against electronic eavesdropping; the government even installs SCIFs in their homes and they travel on expensive military aircraft with secure communications so they’re able to safely engage in classified conversations whenever needed. The fact they’re in a group text on, quite possible, their personal devices? Bonkers.  

This IT and cybersecurity scandal, by the way, is consistent with an administration that’s playing too fast and too loose with serious IT questions and secure communications systems: Just last week came word that Elon Musk has installed Starlink across the White House complex, which for anyone who understands the security of networks in a place like the White House, is just insanity.

5) Some light war crimes. Lost amid all the tumult of the context of the group chat is the content itself. You probably didn’t even realize until Signalgate broke Monday the US had even conducted military strikes against the Houthis in Yemen on the weekend of March 15-16th . Most Americans — my brilliant and engaged readers aside, of course! — probably don’t even know who the Houthis are or why the US is launching airstrikes against them. Yet we’ve been engaged in a nearly two-year running naval battle with the Yemen-based group. (This is a good explainer by CFR’s Michael Froman if you want some background.) It’s one that’s been incredibly expensive to the US in dollars and very deadly on the Houthi side and in Yemen—and it’s basically never been a major headline in the US. 

Reporting at the time last weekend estimated that the US attack discussed in the Signal group chat killed about 31 people, and now the new group chat screenshots gives us some fresh perspective, including this: We have clear documentary evidence of US officials targeting an entire civilian building to kill a single target.

According to local reports, most of those killed were women and children, and the Houthis’ political bureau described the attacks at the time as a “war crime” — and it appears they were probably technically correct. As my online friend Southpaw wrote, “Targeting an individual for assassination at a building known to be his romantic partner’s residence by collapsing the whole structure seems to me to fall squarely within the Geneva Convention’s prohibition on targeting civilian objects, and probably other defined war crimes as well.” 

Now I should be clear: This is a scandal that all of us — every American — bears some responsibility for by 2025. It is not the sole fault of Trump II. Every presidential administration of the 21st century has been remarkably casual about “Global War on Terror” strikes that have all the hallmarks of war crimes, operations targeting mostly “terrorists” that have killed hundreds and hundreds of civilians in probably a dozen different countries overseas. It’s a national disgrace, distinct and apart from the IT and national security implications of Signalgate, and one that deserves at least passing mention in any fulsome analysis of the text chains, even as the actual outrage that we all clutch our pearls about are only Scandals #1 - #4 above. (I actually wrote in 2021 my own article in The Atlantic about about how mistaken our entire national strategy has been since 9/11.) 

We’re nearly 25 years after 9/11 now and our country has learned some terrible lessons from decades of drone strikes and air strikes and the widespread abuse of the Authorization of Use of Military Force to justify death and destruction in places from the front pages. Sometime that is not now and may not be anytime soon, we as a nation need to reckon with how casual we’ve gotten about using military force overseas against largely civilian targets in fights that the American people don’t really understand. 

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Now that we’ve gotten the political and security scandals out of the way, onto what is not necessarily a scandal but is a fascinating political insight that we can glean from the Signal group chat and resulting fall-out: Who holds the power in the Trump administration?

The full Signal chat provides some of the most “real” indications of where power lies in the Trump administration and how decision-making happens—and none of it is pretty. 

The answer is shocking, but perhaps not surprising: Donald Trump isn’t that engaged in the policy of his administration, JD Vance is weak and powerless, and the only one that matters is Stephen Miller.

I wrote earlier this week about how fascinating it was to see how none of the senior officials seemed all that clear about what Donald Trump himself had wanted. The subsequent leaks of the full conversation only underscore how Stephen Miller — who, mind you, is not a national security official who would be normally involved in a military strike overseas — is the one who shuts down the debate over whether the action moves ahead: Miller, in fact, is only added to the group after people aren’t sure of the president’s wishes. Is Mike Waltz, the national security advisor, really not in a position to interpret the president’s own orders when it comes to military actions? He needs to call Stephen Miller for help? This is not a smooth functioning organization. Nor one where the president is sweating committing US lives to action or taking lives overseas. 

Then we get to another part of the power dynamics we’re learning from the chat: JD Vance is powerless. Any other vice president in the last half-century could haveand absolutely would have gotten the national security advisor immediately fired over this scandal. Let’s summarize it as such: The national security advisor accidentally included a top journalist in an exclusive backroom chat of the administration’s senior-most officials, where the vice president expressed his private disagreement with the president’s public policy decisions. How on earth can JD Vance let that stand?

The answer appears to be, simply: He doesn’t have the juice to get Waltz, who he doesn’t like in the first place, fired. Imagine what Kamala Harris would have done to Jake Sullivan if he’d been responsible for airing her disagreements with Biden in the press; imagine what Joe Biden would have done to Tom Donilon; or even what Dick Cheney would have done to Stephen Hadley? Any of them would have been cashiered by day’s end. The fact that Mike Waltz is still standing as the scandal enters day three shows us JD Vance is the weakest vice president we’ve had in decades.

 

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49 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

The fact that you believe this is the problem.

Cnn Hello GIF

 

Explain. If the charge is being too optimistic about holding our leaders accountable for their crimes, that's one I will plead guilty to on the condition that you detail how that is "the problem" vs the actual crimes themselves and the failure of those in position to punish political corruption. 

I completely agree with you about Citizens United, but that case was decided a year into Obama's first term so I'm not really sure what your point is considering it doesn't change my view of Obama's approach to the Bush administration's lawlessness.

If a country like Brazil, with a well-established predilection for right-wing authoritarianism, can hold an insurrectionist like Jair Bolsonaro accountable for his political crimes despite also having social media widely available to its citizens,  there's no reason American citizens should expect less.

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Explain. If the charge is being too optimistic about holding our leaders accountable for their crimes, that's one I will plead guilty to on the condition that you detail how that is "the problem" vs the actual crimes themselves and the failure of those in position to punish political corruption. 
I completely agree with you about Citizens United, but that case was decided a year into Obama's first term so I'm not really sure what your point is considering it doesn't change my view of Obama's approach to the Bush administration's lawlessness.
If a country like Brazil, with a well-established predilection for right-wing authoritarianism, can hold an insurrectionist like Jair Bolsonaro accountable for his political crimes despite also having social media widely available to its citizens,  there's no reason American citizens should expect less.

Counterpoint: Brazil is 10x the democracy/functioning republic that the US is.
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Really good breakdown by Ward Carrol on this shit show. For context: he's a retired naval aviator who's planned and executed these sorts of strikes and has originated strike plans. He explains why it's critical and necessary to use a SCIF and tolerate the inconvenience of highly secure comms. He also explains why this would get any mere mortal sent to Leavenworth.

He agrees, ain't nothin gonna happen. It's now how trumpco rolls.

 

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11 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I think this will be one of the big turning points in the history books someday. 

If history was honest, this would be a better point to focus on. This is where the real political divergence happened. Right after the singularity. 

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18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Wake up babe, new Signal cope just dropped. 

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And, luckily, it’s also a defective app that needs to be looked into when it serves that purpose.

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12 hours ago, Gourmand said:

Cnn Hello GIF

 

Explain. If the charge is being too optimistic about holding our leaders accountable for their crimes, that's one I will plead guilty to on the condition that you detail how that is "the problem" vs the actual crimes themselves and the failure of those in position to punish political corruption. 

I completely agree with you about Citizens United, but that case was decided a year into Obama's first term so I'm not really sure what your point is considering it doesn't change my view of Obama's approach to the Bush administration's lawlessness.

If a country like Brazil, with a well-established predilection for right-wing authoritarianism, can hold an insurrectionist like Jair Bolsonaro accountable for his political crimes despite also having social media widely available to its citizens,  there's no reason American citizens should expect less.

That's the difference:

In the U.S. there's enough due process to delay a prosecution (as we have all seen)

In a country with a well-established predilection for right-wing authoritarianism, you can move quickly to punish people.

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Obama had a mission, and that was universal healthcare.  

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the best part of the Signal debacle is that it showed us more of the inner workings of the Trump cabinet. They quickly turn on each other, Hegseth just wants to be liked, and possibly hasn't kicked his drinking problem.

Now they won't trust each other which will ultimately create more chaotic episodes. Sadly, we may end up with military casualties due to their incompetence.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

the best part of the Signal debacle is that it showed us more of the inner workings of the Trump cabinet. They quickly turn on each other, Hegseth just wants to be liked, and possibly hasn't kicked his drinking problem.

I get the feeling Vance is aware he's surrounded by morons but playing his role to step up in 4 years.  To be clear, I've always thought he might be more dangerous than Trump because he's not an idiot (and beholden to Thiel).

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13 hours ago, Captainant said:

Really good breakdown by Ward Carrol on this shit show. For context: he's a retired naval aviator who's planned and executed these sorts of strikes and has originated strike plans. He explains why it's critical and necessary to use a SCIF and tolerate the inconvenience of highly secure comms. He also explains why this would get any mere mortal sent to Leavenworth.

He agrees, ain't nothin gonna happen. It's now how trumpco rolls.

 

I need him to move out of the way so I can see the other guitars.

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So, based on the comments made by.... everyone.... including the President, AG, Sec Def, etc..... I guess the administration's new policy is that it's now cool to make attack/war/whatever plans on unsecure platforms? Is that our thing now?

You know, the entire point of the whole Hillary thing that cost her the election. 

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20 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Counterpoint: Brazil is 10x the democracy/functioning republic that the US is.

It’s pretty amazing how revered people still hold the constitution and our founders when all it took to overcome our “checks and balances” was Donald Trump

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s pretty amazing how revered people still hold the constitution and our founders when all it took to overcome our “checks and balances” was Donald Trump

Well, Donald Trump and a Republican party that is afraid to challenge him.  Both of which are thoroughly enabled by a stupid and hateful electorate.

So it is really kind of the all-time trifecta.  They envisioned two of the three but not all three at once.

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21 hours ago, Gourmand said:

Cnn Hello GIF

 

Explain. If the charge is being too optimistic about holding our leaders accountable for their crimes, that's one I will plead guilty to on the condition that you detail how that is "the problem" vs the actual crimes themselves and the failure of those in position to punish political corruption. 

I completely agree with you about Citizens United, but that case was decided a year into Obama's first term so I'm not really sure what your point is considering it doesn't change my view of Obama's approach to the Bush administration's lawlessness.

If a country like Brazil, with a well-established predilection for right-wing authoritarianism, can hold an insurrectionist like Jair Bolsonaro accountable for his political crimes despite also having social media widely available to its citizens,  there's no reason American citizens should expect less.

Obama didn't have total control of both the house and the senate correct? I am not sure what he could have done about bush. There were also extreme headwinds with the economy and general disdain from the fox news crowd having him as the president.  Using up goodwill going after the last repub president would have been political suicide. We live and have lived in a world where a propaganda network (that my inlaws deem too liberal) has spent close to 4 decades tilting the scales. There in no world where any dem would go after the other party because it plays right into their hand. Meanwhile the rest have done a great job of manufacturing outrage at the boogeyman dems. Everything they say is a confession but their base is too stupid to pick up on the nuance. There is a huge difference between us and Brazil, we are fat and happy for 70 years and they have been hungry. They are active we are not. We are 70 years off the curve and honestly, I don't see it mattering with the absolute control of the message the oligarchy have achieved.



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