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3 minutes ago, wood said:

That's nuts. Wow. Takes some big swinging cojones to pick up water out there imho. 

I can’t believe it’s been two hours and nobody has stuck that urban legend of the scuba diver being scooped up by the firefighting plane here.

This level of factuality is disappointing

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45 minutes ago, shakahorn said:

LOL I'm in IT and sometimes we have to walk construction sites to plan out networks and sometimes they make us wear hard hats...I've worn mine like 10x in 20+ years.  Back when I first got it, the site manager took one look at me and burst out laughing.  Told me to put a few scuff marks on the hat so that no one else would laugh at me.

My wife’s new-ish job has her going out to work sites on occasion and she has to wear all the protective gear (hat, goggles, vests). Before her first visit, I took her new work boots outside and scuffed em up to make them look like they didn’t come right out of the box. 

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6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Just so we're clear, we're calling this woman from the video "fugly?"
 

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Meteorologist Emily Wahls - Today was busy — like wake up in the  morning…go, go, go…hardly have time to eat a snack kind of busy. I'm taking  an hour to sit outside

 

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There's a tremendous chance that 80% of you people have never gotten close to sniffing a piece of trim that attractive. And that's after she popped out a kid. 

 

 

I guess I'll jump on this grenade for y'all. I'm selfless like that.

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21 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

You think these folks will be helped by a Trump admin? LOL not happening, he has before left CA wildfires victims out to dry (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/california-wildfires-disaster-declaration-rejected-trump/)

His denying emergency assistance to “blue” areas is a feature, not a bug. 

I'm aware of that, but we're forbidden from talking about that.  President Musk will also not like giving money to California.

But you also cannot have an even remotely efficient economy without a functioning insurance industry.

If big insurance companies are allowed to fail, the stock market will tank and you know how much that stupid rube likes to brag about the stock market.

This meme is about to come to life in massive scale:

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2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

The controlled burn thing is a bit of a lark.  It's hard to control burn in residential areas, because (waives hand).....Houses.  The goat/brush clearing is actually a significant point, but again: you are talking 100 mph Santa Anna Winds in a defacto desert area, following on the heels of an irregularily wet season.  Brush clearing on a mega basis is expensive. 

Texas had a week long power outage because.....it was "too expensive" to insulate the natural gas lines. 

Control burns work well in rural areas, but believe it or not, in addition to regulations, there is actually an industrial forest fire fighting complex that actively lobbies against controlled burns.  Because 'murica. 

Yeah I was referring to rural wildlands. In WUI areas fuel removal helps, but not by burning it. They aren't going to do that near residential areas. Removal helps. It's not going to prevent the incident, but it can lessen the severity.

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16 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I believe that's the air crew out of Canada. Saw this shot on Twitter. 

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You know that crew is going to go home to to the Great White North and claim total Air Superiority and that they bombed the fuck out of America.  

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1 minute ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

You know that crew is going to go home to to the Great White North and claim total Air Superiority and that they bombed the fuck out of America.  

And not only bombing, since they dropped retardant it was a chemical attack. Of course being Canadian they did not kill anyone and sent everyone a muffin basket afterwards.

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27 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Just so we're clear, we're calling this woman from the video "fugly?"
 

Emily Wahls (@emilywahls) • Instagram photos and videos

 

Meteorologist Emily Wahls - Today was busy — like wake up in the  morning…go, go, go…hardly have time to eat a snack kind of busy. I'm taking  an hour to sit outside

 

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There's a tremendous chance that 80% of you people have never gotten close to sniffing a piece of trim that attractive. And that's after she popped out a kid. 

 

 

Didn't mean her specifically, just talking generally they put the hotties away when there's serious weather to be talked about

 

 

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1 hour ago, Iceman said:

For the Palisades fire, over 17,000 acres burned and the Eaton( Pasadena/ Altadena) fire is over 10,000 acres burned.  That's mind bottling.

For a comparison, 32,000 acres burned in the Bastrop fire. So, superimpose the Bastrop fire on SoCal, and this is the result.

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1 hour ago, Herbie Hancock said:

When I was younger, this kind of declaratory statement used to really aggravate me. It still does, but not as much as it used to as I came to realize that the majority of people making these kinds of statements are either intellectually deficient or misinformed. Or both. So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are simply misinformed.

Every department/agency has what is called a PIO (Public Information Officer). He or she has been designated as the mouthpiece for the agency when high visibility incidents occur in that agency’s jurisdiction. They have been beaten over the head by city lawyers, HR, and their superior(s) with what to say and how to say it. 98% of the time they are a desk jockey position; not someone that is currently assigned to operations and engaged in daily tasks. If you’ll notice, they almost always have on a white shirt and/or white helmet (and it’s not dirty). If it is dirty, it’s because they borrowed it from someone else. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

 

 

Thanks for taking that one on, Herbie. Nobody's missing any time on the end of a handline because they decided to go do pressers instead. I understand the emotional response from that poster, but it's only that - an emotional, malformed response. And nobody's just letting a school burn because they don't feel like putting it out. In situations like these, as you're well aware and I mentioned earlier, it's a case of triaging the fires just as you would do at a mass-casualty incident. 

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3 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

For those asking about planes using the ocean. 
 

 

 

44 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The two Canuck tankers on Flight Radar had call signs with QUE. I assume Quebec.

Yep. Most likely Canadian birds and crews as the superscoopers are a Bombadier and DeHavilland product built in BC and Alberta. The USFS is supposed to have some but these are most likely the two that LA County Fire has on seasonal lease during wildfire season.

7 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

I'm getting dizzy just looking at this dude.

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As the call sign dictates, this is the Air Boss aircraft that directs the tankers for air drops.

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30 minutes ago, Stunns38 said:

So before there's another freak-out - over them not having hoses on the engine - there are several possible reasons for that.

- they had to leave them behind at another fire because they were in use by other crews/apparatus and they still wanted to keep this engine in service as a manpower unit, doing whatever it could do

- they had to drop lines and leave a fire scene quickly to escape with their own lives

- it could be a reserve engine that simply wasn't even ready for front line service but they took it out anyway (pretty likely imho, since it's an 'all hands on deck' situation where you wouldn't have enough apparatus for everyone who's coming in to work), or other reasons.

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2 hours ago, hookemATL said:

Goats are great.  Low maintenance.  Eat almost everything (except bull nettle and tin cans).  Our herd cleared 15 acres of raw land scrub/yaupon/etc., allowing for much easier work to get dry fuel cut and piled/mulched.

Occasionally, one would get their horns stuck in the fence overnight and coyotes would get a free buffet.  Wandering up to a find a head sticking through a fence attached to a spinal column covered in viscera was metal af.

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4 minutes ago, Updawg said:

Must be a nightmare running traffic control for all those assets. Especially with lax right nearby

Air space around wildfire operations become restricted air space. Must get permission from the Air Boss (lead aircraft/ see above) to enter the airspace.

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29 minutes ago, wood said:

Thanks for taking that one on, Herbie. Nobody's missing any time on the end of a handline because they decided to go do pressers instead. I understand the emotional response from that poster, but it's only that - an emotional, malformed response. And nobody's just letting a school burn because they don't feel like putting it out. In situations like these, as you're well aware and I mentioned earlier, it's a case of triaging the fires just as you would do at a mass-casualty incident. 

And if no officials hold pressers regularly, you'd have a whole shitload of people saying "why aren't they telling us anything?? They're hiding something!!"

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8 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Pretty sure that's a Chicago station... hence the comparison to Chicago..... and the Chicago weather forecast. 

I used to work for a Chicago-based company and spent a lot of time there.  I rarely saw a woman that turned my head.  Lots of "hearty" women there

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6 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

And if no officials hold pressers regularly, you'd have a whole shitload of people saying "why aren't they telling us anything?? They're hiding something!!"

Absolutely 100% guaranteed.

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26 minutes ago, wood said:

So before there's another freak-out - over them not having hoses on the engine - there are several possible reasons for that.

- they had to leave them behind at another fire because they were in use by other crews/apparatus and they still wanted to keep this engine in service as a manpower unit, doing whatever it could do

- they had to drop lines and leave a fire scene quickly to escape with their own lives

- it could be a reserve engine that simply wasn't even ready for front line service but they took it out anyway (pretty likely imho, since it's an 'all hands on deck' situation where you wouldn't have enough apparatus for everyone who's coming in to work), or other reasons.

Would it be possible to press the pumps inside the fire engines into service to push water uphill for use on those fires? I recall eariler that there was some issues with the uphill tanks depleting faster than the pumps could keep up

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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Would it be possible to press the pumps inside the fire engines into service to push water uphill for use on those fires? I recall eariler that there was some issues with the uphill tanks depleting faster than the pumps could keep up

They can draft or tandem draft, but like @wood said earlier, those engines may have been depleted of their hose lines. Drafting (suctioning) requires hard suction hoses (so they don't collapse under the pressure of the suction) and can be manpower intensive and going up hills, requires quite a bit of large diameter hoselines (usually 3" or greater)

This was a conflagration that overloaded personnel and resources. Eventually you have to protect lives and and try to limit damage. Set up a perimeter and try to protect exposures. 100mph Santa Ana winds plus the fire creating it's own firestorm and this is the result. Loss of a whole community.

If you live in or near ATX, this is similar to what happened with Steiner Ranch (much smaller scale) on Labor Day in 2011.

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23 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I used to work for a Chicago-based company and spent a lot of time there.  I rarely saw a woman that turned my head.  Lots of "hearty" women there

Yep I've spent a fair amount of time in Chicago. That chick is a Chi-town 10. They build 'em thick up there, and I'm ok with that. 

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25 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Would it be possible to press the pumps inside the fire engines into service to push water uphill for use on those fires? I recall eariler that there was some issues with the uphill tanks depleting faster than the pumps could keep up

NM. Much better explanations from Herbie & BillyGoatHill above!

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