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I swear I thought I saw a report about damage on Sunset Blvd, but it appears there is only one small fire near there.  Did I dream that up?  My daughter has a show at El Cid next week and they don't know if they should cancel travel plans or not.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I swear I thought I saw a report about damage on Sunset Blvd, but it appears there is only one small fire near there.  Did I dream that up?  My daughter has a show at El Cid next week and they don't know if they should cancel travel plans or not.

There's a viral photo with a Sunset Bl. street sign and flames behind it.   No idea where it was taken and what the depth-of-field happens to be. 

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Yeah, they can be maddening at times.  G-father used to curse them daily, especially with his fences.  If you get a cup of water, throw it at the fence, and if the water can get through the fence.....so can the damn goats.  The good news is that if you just need them to clear land, they are cheap, hardy, and don't need a ton of care.  Just a way to transport them back & forth.  

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If Uncle Boobs were a goat. 

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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I swear I thought I saw a report about damage on Sunset Blvd, but it appears there is only one small fire near there.  Did I dream that up?  My daughter has a show at El Cid next week and they don't know if they should cancel travel plans or not.

I mean, they may as well hang on to the plans for now... when is the show?

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1 minute ago, texasdago said:

I mean, they may as well hang on to the plans for now... when is the show?

One week from today, Jan 16.  They have another show for Vans that is completely up in the air, so things may be getting canceled (which is totally understandable).

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

Make it an acoustic show.

That would be . . . interesting.

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10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I swear I thought I saw a report about damage on Sunset Blvd, but it appears there is only one small fire near there.  Did I dream that up?  My daughter has a show at El Cid next week and they don't know if they should cancel travel plans or not.

Lost of reports via google or other search engine....

Here's one for you.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/01/08/hollywood-hills-sunset-fire-california/77560918007/

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3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

There's a viral photo with a Sunset Bl. street sign and flames behind it.   No idea where it was taken and what the depth-of-field happens to be. 

Sunset Blvd winds through Pacific Palisades and goes all the way to the PCH through the area that was burned. 

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Just now, Beau Vine said:

Wow, are they really a punk band if they're already flying?

Tour in a van, do one-offs by air.  The tickets get paid for by the promoter.

Example:  they recently drove from near-Woodstock NY to Austin in one shot, no hotels.  Apparently it's such a pain in the ass to stop, unload all gear into the hotel room, "sleep", load back into the van and continue that they just prefer to one-shot it.  Scares the hell out of me.  I spend an inordinate amount of time iPhone tracking.

Anyway, fires suck.  These are small-time problems.

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1 hour ago, BillyGoatHill said:

They can draft or tandem draft, but like @wood said earlier, those engines may have been depleted of their hose lines. Drafting (suctioning) requires hard suction hoses (so they don't collapse under the pressure of the suction) and can be manpower intensive and going up hills, requires quite a bit of large diameter hoselines (usually 3" or greater)

This was a conflagration that overloaded personnel and resources. Eventually you have to protect lives and and try to limit damage. Set up a perimeter and try to protect exposures. 100mph Santa Ana winds plus the fire creating it's own firestorm and this is the result. Loss of a whole community.

If you live in or near ATX, this is similar to what happened with Steiner Ranch (much smaller scale) on Labor Day in 2011.

 

1 hour ago, Herbie Hancock said:


Only thru fire hose and not thru the water mains. Pumping water from a distanced water source (hydrant or static draft) to another apparatus that is called relay pumping. There is a wild difference in pressure when talking draft vs hydrant, but you are pumping the water at a pressure to overcome the friction loss inside of the hose x distance of the hose. Because I suck at explaining things, here is my best explanation

Connect to a hydrant on corner of Avenue A and 1st street. Static pressure of the hydrant, which is the psi on my pump intake when not pumping anything, is 80 psi. The fire is 600’ down Avenue A on the corner of A and 6th street. We lay 600’ of LDH (supply line or large diameter hose) from the hydrant to the engine that is making the actual attack on the fire(attack pumper). I connect my intake to the hydrant, then connect the 600’ of LDH to my discharge. I then send idle pump pressure thru the 600’ of LDH that terminates at the attack pumper.

I coordinate my pressure discharge with the attack engine via radio until he tells me he has 80psi on his intake. My discharge pressure will most likely be 160-ish depending on several factors, the size of the LDH we are using and the friction loss coefficient from the manufacturer; among several other factors.


TLDR; you need volume AND pressure to move water. But when you have enough of one or the other, you can essentially move the water source directly to the scene of the fight, as long as you have competent operators and the equipment necessary to do so. I’ve been a part of a relay that was almost 2500’ and at the terminal end we were flowing in excess of 1700 gpm.

That's interesting and all, but we're all really waiting on the opinion of @Incredulity.

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9 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Paris uses Goats for some of its parks. The Jardin des Tuleries for example...

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Governors Island uses sheep.

https://www.govisland.com/things-to-do/recreation/hammock-grove-sheep

 

Goats was pages ago. Now we are going onto something else. French aircraft and how can we move water uphill faster are on he agenda.

Please keep up.

Plus that is wimpy french grass.

 

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4 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Can you get goat insurance is the real question.

 

4 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Laughingly, yes you can get insurance on livestock.  

Brah, those were the sheeeeepz.  Those worthless turds are born looking for a way to die.  

100% yep. LOL

 

3 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Well lookie there living in Houston has some perks: only a 1/10 on the Fire scale (assuming they mean wildfire and not some pipeline going boom...)

Looks down at further categories...

9/10 Wind

9/10 Heat

Whelp... can't win them all I guess

Just about everywhere's got some kind of baggage.

 

3 hours ago, mdmost said:

This is a very interesting thread from the Director of UC Merced's Fire Resilience Center. Touches on a lot that has been discussed here already about mitigation. 

 

Basically, CA had a two-decade drought followed by two years of record-breaking rains which brought an enormous amount of new vegetation (fuel).

 

2 hours ago, Da Fino said:

Gouvernement du Qubec, Service arien gouvernemental

Quebec? There's a Tuberville/Panama Canal joke in here somewhere.

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Sunset Blvd winds through Pacific Palisades and goes all the way to the PCH through the area that was burned. 

This past summer I took my 7 year old on his first trip to Los Angeles. Stayed at my aunt's house in Brentwood Hills. Every morning we'd take Sunset to PP and eat at the Palisades Garden Cafe for pancakes. A windy, scenic drive. Then we'd take the PCH and hang out in Malibu for the day. Being from Houston the topography and natural beauty was magical to him. I promised we'd do that trip this summer as well.  And now it looks to be all gone. Hopefully my aunt's house survives. 

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6 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:


Was gonna say call me back when Global shows up with their 747’s, but it appears they are out of business. That behemoth dropping 20k of product was a sight to behold

My godfather flew for Erikson. Not the fire division, other fun areas. He let me know when they were heading into Bastrop so I could get some good pictures of them. Impressive for sure. Cannot imagine a 747 drop.

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This past summer I took my 7 year old on his first trip to Los Angeles. Stayed at my aunt's house in Brentwood Hills. Every morning we'd take Sunset to PP and eat at the Palisades Garden Cafe for pancakes. A windy, scenic drive. Then we'd take the PCH and hang out in Malibu for the day. Being from Houston the topography and natural beauty was magical to him. I promised we'd do that trip this summer as well.  And now it looks to be all gone. Hopefully my aunt's house survives. 

mdleast and I were in LA this past November for the USC/UCLA game. We drove down Topanga Canyon Blvd because we wanted to do something different on our way to Malibu and like your kid and being from Dallas, the whole area is just magical to us. That entire region around Malibu that our drive emptied into might be gone and I can't imagine the sheer panic of trying to get out of there or any of those tight areas with just a few entrances and exits. It's just horrific to think about and I feel so sad for the people this has affected. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I swear I thought I saw a report about damage on Sunset Blvd, but it appears there is only one small fire near there.  Did I dream that up?  My daughter has a show at El Cid next week and they don't know if they should cancel travel plans or not.

According to LATimes, Sunset fire was 42 acres burned.  Yes it happened yesterday, and there was some shitshow gridlock around the evacuation.  That was about 2.5 miles from my son's place.

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to properly explain what it was like yesterday when the evacuation notice was legit - while we were packing, my phone and my wife's phone got simultaneous alerts (like an amber alert). at the same time, both our phones were ringing and our landline was ringing. yes, we have a landline.

if you're familiar with west wing, there's a scene where will bailey is still living in a hotel, and they need him to get back to the white house at like 2am. toby decides he should get the full white house treatment. while he slept, his cell phone rang, his hotel phone rang, his pager went off, and a guy from the front desk was pounding on his door saying he had white house operator on the line.

it was pretty much like that.

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6 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

la alert system just sent errant message to millions of people that they were in an evacuation zone.

then had to issue an alert that it was a mistake. it was only meant for kenneth fire area.

i'm sure twitter is having fun with it. 

Could have been worse

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7 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

la alert system just sent errant message to millions of people that they were in an evacuation zone.

then had to issue an alert that it was a mistake. it was only meant for kenneth fire area.

i'm sure twitter is having fun with it. 

Yea they sent the correction after. Quite a fuck up 

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