Surly official camping and backpacking thread

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I think it’s totally a money grab gimmick.

I think I read somewhere that the big pack weighs nearly 10 lbs. I can’t say no to that fast enough.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Yeah, so say the part of the pack that is loaded is 30 pounds. That's 30 pounds bouncing around and shifting your center of gravity every time you take a step. What could be better for a rocky trail where you have to keep your footing sure and your balance steady than a constantly shifting center of gravity?

[Biff Tannen 45512]

On 8/25/2018 at 9:54 AM, Anton Chigurh said:

I think it’s totally a money grab gimmick.

I think I read somewhere that the big pack weighs nearly 10 lbs. I can’t say no to that fast enough.

This is what I was thinking.  Moving on. 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

I'm not gonna dig through all 10 pages, so if anyone knows where the discussion is in here, please post a page #.

 

Looking getting @ a camp mess kit / cookware setup.  Seeing this one on Amazon & wonder if anyone has other suggestions; I'll probably ditch the components I don't need for basic campouts with the Troop & only bring the basics + swap out the metal fork / spoon / knife for a combo plastic set.

https://www.amazon.com/CampingRockers-15PCs-Camping-Cookware-Mess/dp/B075Q618H5/ref=asc_df_B075Q618H5/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242009928898&hvpos=1o15&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1699031310330693324&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028301&hvtargid=pla-445145877573&psc=1

 

 

$ 22.00 on Amazon.

 

Thoughts?

 

Whatever I get might one day go on an actual backpacking excursion; will look @ a stove in a future look but for now, I just need something for eating @ the campsite.

[Digdogger 1343]

Those green bowls or whatever look awfully small.  If your ditching the utensils, you’re maybe paying $22 for a pot and a small pan.  The Stanco Grease Pot (nothing to do with Mark) is like $8, get 2 of those instead

[davidg 4032]

Don't buy a cheap mess kit like that one above.  The pot and skillet are useless and the utensils will break on the second use.  

For non backpacking scout campouts, we had an adult patrol chuck box that had all of the cook gear we would use.  Each person was responsible for their own bowl/plate/utensils.  If this is the case for your needs, goto REI and buy one of these bowls  and a good plastic or stainless plate. This bowl is shallow enough that you can lick the inside clean  to reduce the mess when doing the dishes. Also get a good spoon (I like these as they are long enough to get to the bottom of a mountain house bag) and maybe a fork if you grill steaks or other meat on troop campouts.  Use your pocket knife for a knife.  

If you are backpacking, you are really just boiling water.   I started with one of these and its a little heavy and a little tipsy but its indestructible and only $15 at Walmart. I keep one in the truck with a cheap chinese isopropane backpacking stove.  Otherwise get any 1-2 qt aluminum or titanium pot at REI that meets your price/weight break point.

I gave my daugther a GSI Outdoors Bugaboo Camper Cookset ,  the Utensil Set and a  MSR Windpro Stove  so she would have a compact base camp cooking gear set.  When backpacking, she just takes the small pot and the stove.  

 

[Biff Tannen 45512]

For car camping and when I backpack with my wife, I have an MSR Windpro stove and then this little MSR set up that packs up pretty small.

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Trail-Lite-System-Cook/dp/B008NOP1FO/ref=asc_df_B008NOP1FO/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=216515106215&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9218790029503951659&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028289&hvtargid=pla-348677046426&psc=1

 

For solo backpacking, as mentioned above, I'm usually just boiling water so I gots me a JetBoil Minimo and a titanium spork.

https://www.amazon.com/Jetboil-MNMOSS-EU-MiniMo-Sunset/dp/B019GPK24I/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1536346772&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=jetboil+minimo&psc=1&smid=A138GYT3Y3DZXX

 

[Chuychanga 133]

I hate camp cooking.  If I want well-cooked food I'll stay home.  If I can't cook it with boiling water in my JetBoil cup, I'm not cooking it.  

I take my JetBoil, a couple Sea-To-Summit expandable bowls, a spork, some freeze dried backpacker meals, oatmeal, starbucks Via instant coffee packets, tortillas, summer sausage, and trail mix.  Same menu almost every camping trip.  Works for me.

Our scouts are responsible for cooking their own meals.  It seems like the younger ones show up gung-ho with a big extravagent menu planned and a huge assortment of dishes.  They ask their dad for help and dad smiles and says, "Go see you patrol leader about that." and goes back to his nap.  The older scouts pretty much all have adopted the minimalist approach after dealing with the mess of logistics with a big menu a few times too many.  We have one kid who only shows up with peanut butter and a few apples.  That's literally all he eats for two days, peanut butter by the spoonful and apples.  

 

 

[Digdogger 1343]

When I go backpacking with my wife and three kids, I bring 2 of the Stanco pots and 3  MSR deep dish plate/bowl like things and use a Pocket Rocket stove.  I wish the plates stacked inside each other better, but I kind of clamshell them around the pots to take up almost no additional space, which hold the fuel canister, Pocket Rocket, matches, lighter and Sporks.  I basically wind up cooking half of the meal for all of us at a time and then eat directly out of the pot for the other 2 plates.

[utee94 15746]

I bring a cast iron dutch oven, cast iron 12" skillet, at least two Calphalon sauce pans, and several Corningwear dishes.  Also, a fullset of 4 melamine plates, saucers, bowls, and a 20-piece silverware set.  And Shun cutlery, of course.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

You forgot the anvil.

[Lhorn 4886]

On 9/7/2018 at 8:59 PM, utee94 said:

I bring a cast iron dutch oven, cast iron 12" skillet, at least two Calphalon sauce pans, and several Corningwear dishes.  Also, a fullset of 4 melamine plates, saucers, bowls, and a 20-piece silverware set.  And Shun cutlery, of course.

Can you recommend a camping potato ricer and lemon zester?

Edited September 11, 2018 by Lhorn

[utee94 15746]

Don't be ridiculous, a fork works just fine on potatoes.  Didn't you see me mention the 20-piece silverware set?

But you make a good point about the lemon zester.

 

 

[JohnnyRage 1617]

 

I recently picked up one of these for my Washington trip. Figured I could cold hydrate stuff in the future or cut a piece of meat on it.

Settled on the Quinault area again. West of Seattle seems to be the popular quick getaway, Rainer is insanely long lines. Hoh is closed for road repairs. The Beach is close to Quinault and minimal permits are needed.

Land at noon on Friday. Reserved a lakeside car camping spot for Friday night, maybe catch a Pacific Coast sunset.

Saturday maybe Colonel Bob's Peak or another day hike. Watch the second half of the Longhorns victory over USC. Maybe camp in the woods.

Sunday Hike from Graves Creek Trail Head  to or past O'Neil campsite to the Enchanted Valley Ranger Station.

There are some mountain top lakes nearby or just not get eaten by flies, mosquitoes, cougars, or bears.

Fit in some clam chowder and smoked salmon.

 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Yeah, we have a Scout Dad who likes to do the Quartermaster gig & we're responsible for our own plates, etc.  I ordered this one:

 

& Found what I think is a killer deal on a Kelty Camp Cabin 4 person / 3 season.

 

Has a front "bump" peak height of 77" (6'  5" for the maths challenged) & with a 4 person, I could probably fit a chair inside for changing clothes / sitting up comfortably, etc.  All car camping, so not too worried on weight, etc. & I'll be using it for Woodbadge in 1 month.

 

 

I'll probably use a simple tarp for a footprint; get a quality silver one.  Floor dimensions are 96" x 105".

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Oh, & total price, shipped, tax & all, $ 150.++ for both items.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

Being able to stand up in the tent is a big deal. I'm jelly.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Headed to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch this weekend with the I laws and to try and get a little climbing in. Had to inspect and inventory the gear.

[davidg 4032]

Nice but needs more cam.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Yeah, I've been trying to slowly build up some trad gear, but a little NAAL came along two years ago and has seriously cut into my gear funds and climbing time. She's old enough now that we can take her with us and maybe start teaching her to climb some real rock.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

My Havasupai trip is coming up next week, so that is fun. Lugging the good camera down there so hopefully I’ll have some good content to bring back.

[UnivTex34 1763]

Finally have a campsite with cell service, and without the options to post pics via Tapa.

In the shadow of Mt Hood in front of a campfire 20 miles from pavement. Gonna get to 38 tonight, and the mountain is getting its first snow of the season. Will post pics when I get back to civilization Monday.

[HookEm 2448]

Just posting to say that those Starbucks instant packets suck ass IMHO. Had Italian roast and maybe others are better. In the future I will be French pressing like I used to.

[utee94 15746]

I love the French press.  We have two different coffee makers in our RV (standard drip and Keurig) and neither are anywhere close to as good as the French press.  

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

2 hours ago, utee94 said:

I love the French press.  We have two different coffee makers in our RV (standard drip and Keurig) and neither are anywhere close to as good as the French press.  

SIAP but Jetboil offers a coffee press.  Not perfect but very weight and space efficient for backpackers who must have coffee a certain way.

https://jetboil.johnsonoutdoors.com/cookware/coffee-press/coffee-press

Edited October 5, 2018 by Degenerate Gardner

[Biff Tannen 45512]

On 10/4/2018 at 11:00 PM, HookEm said:

Just posting to say that those Starbucks instant packets suck ass IMHO. Had Italian roast and maybe others are better. In the future I will be French pressing like I used to.

I've been using these for a couple of years and they do the job for me.

https://www.jivacubes.com/

Edited October 8, 2018 by Biff Tannen

[Your Mom 4798]

Outdoor Research Helium Bivy (18 oz.) is on sale on Amazon for $99.  Regular $179.  I just ordered one.  Used to sleep in a similar set up in the USMC and love the lightweight, portability, and simplicity. of a bivy.  I tried hammocks but I just can't sleep comfortable in them and when you add in a bug net and rainfly with stakes, ridgeline, straps, etc.. it ends up weighing more than a small tent anyway.  The bivies have condensation issues when fully zipped closed but I can live with it.  A SOL Escape Lite sack (at 5.5 oz, fist-size, and $40) inside the Helium Bivy should keep and dampness of your bag on wet nights.  My son is taking the new bivy out this weekend and I'll report back how he likes it.  

 

[Your Mom 4798]

On 10/4/2018 at 9:33 PM, UnivTex34 said:

Finally have a campsite with cell service, and without the options to post pics via Tapa.

In the shadow of Mt Hood in front of a campfire 20 miles from pavement. Gonna get to 38 tonight, and the mountain is getting its first snow of the season. Will post pics when I get back to civilization Monday.

Fuckin A man! 

 

On 10/4/2018 at 11:00 PM, HookEm said:

Just posting to say that those Starbucks instant packets suck ass IMHO. Had Italian roast and maybe others are better. In the future I will be French pressing like I used to.

This is true.  I use them anyway.  At home I'm a chemex guy, right down to being obnoxious about the spiral swirl pattern I pour over the grounds with.  But for camping I'm good with the simplicity and lack of carrying and, more importantly, keeping up with extra stuff.  I tried the press attachment on my jetboil and it let in a ton of grounds but that may have been my fault.  It seems tough to get a good seal around the edge.  

[UnivTex34 1763]

View from our first campsite on the Nehalem River

Some pics as we explore our way south down the coast. I think most of these were in Samuel Bardman State Park

The Lady Bird Johnson Grove and our campsite in RWNP.

Rogue River Gorge

 

Not much sun the day we were at Crater lake, but the occasional sun really made the blue water pop on occasion.

 

Umpqua Hot Springs carved into the side of the mountain.

View from the Timberline Lodge.

 

Views from our campsite near Mt. Hood.

Waterfalls in the CRG

 

This was the best view we got of MSH. Tons of rain and wind. It had snowed there earlier in the morning.

 

The edge of the blast zone, 14 miles away, and the new bridge.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

Phenomenal

[UnivTex34 1763]

Yeah, it was just beautiful, and we didn't hike nearly as much as we wanted, cause we wanted to see as much as possible (and weather was bleh, and we may not have planned the best clothes for some of it.) Other than the two days of hard rain, the weather was gorgeous. Never got above 65 during the day, and was mid 40's at night. We only had to use the heater in the camper the one night we camped at Mt Hood. We will head back, with better rain gear and explore more.

I will say, if you are looking to be mobile and still want to get into the back country easily, look up Wonderland Expeditions. We only camped 2 of our 8 nights in campgrounds, and one of those was by choice, because we wanted to be in the redwoods. We dispersed everywhere else. We loved the camper (wife especially, I'm already looking at ultralight tear-drops to purchase), but they do 4runners with RTT's and the will also rent you a classic FJ60 with RTT. 

I'd move there tomorrow if the wife would let me. Bend may be the coolest town I've ever been to.

 

 

[Your Mom 4798]

I may have missed a post where you told us about that rig on the back of the truck.  Oregon plates, so I'm guessing it's a rental.  I'd like to learn more about that.  Also, if that's your wife in the the waterfall pic you are living well in more ways than one.

Edit:  Got it... Wonderland Expeditions.  Headed down that rabbit hole now.  Does that camper come off easily enough to keep in the backyard between trips if you owned one?

Edited October 11, 2018 by Your Mom

[UnivTex34 1763]

Not my wife in that one.

 

It was a rental through Wonderland Expeditions. 07 Tundra with a Four Wheel Pop up camper on the back. I want one really badly for my own Tacoma, but they are just so damned expensive compared to a similar teardrop style trailer. Has a queen size bed, a fridge, sink with 12 gallons of water, and a two burner gas stove. When popped up, can stand in, but only adds 12 inches to the top of the truck while traveling. We could be stopped and cooking dinner in 3 minutes from hopping out of the truck. Just really simplifies things.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

6 minutes ago, UnivTex34 said:

Not my wife in that one.

 

It was a rental through Wonderland Expeditions. 07 Tundra with a Four Wheel Pop up camper on the back. I want one really badly for my own Tacoma, but they are just so damned expensive compared to a similar teardrop style trailer. Has a queen size bed, a fridge, sink with 12 gallons of water, and a two burner gas stove. When popped up, can stand in, but only adds 12 inches to the top of the truck while traveling. We could be stopped and cooking dinner in 3 minutes from hopping out of the truck. Just really simplifies things.

Just looked it up.  Like $200/day.  That's amazing.  I'm all about backpacking, but the wife would probably love this.  Thanks for the rec.

[UnivTex34 1763]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Just looked it up.  Like $200/day.  That's amazing.  I'm all about backpacking, but the wife would probably love this.  Thanks for the rec.

And honestly, we joined their email list, got a percentage off, and since we were off-season, we only paid $150 per day.

Since we just did dispersed, there was no campsite cost most nights, and we cooked at least one meal a day in the truck.

It's not backpacking, but it's really comfortable camping.

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

The wife really wants one of those roof top tents so we can do the dispersed camping thing with more comfort. She doesn't want to do dispersed camping in our tent, but I guess the roof top tents look cool on Instagram or something.

[UnivTex34 1763]

5 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

The wife really wants one of those roof top tents so we can do the dispersed camping thing with more comfort. She doesn't want to do dispersed camping in our tent, but I guess the roof top tents look cool on Instagram or something.

If we lived closer to more dispersed options, I'd already have one regardless of how dumb my wife thinks they are. But we end up in my two man tent or in hammocks more often around here, cause we are way more often away from the car.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

I'm just skeptical that she will actually want to go dispersed camping if we got one.

 

A few pics from last weekend at Horseshoe Canyon Ranch:

Little NAAL hanging out on the cabin porch before climbing:

 

On the approach:

 

Two years old is old enough to introduce them to climbing...

 

 

She didn't like going any higher than that because the way the harness pulled on her, but she wanted to climb up while I was lowering Mrs. NAAL on top rope.

 

Getting ready to belay my BIL on a 5.8 after leading it:

 

Looking down from the top of an easy 5.6:

 

The view looking out from the same route:

We also hiked to Whitaker Point, it's only 3 miles round trip, but feels much longer with a 35 pound toddler plus pack on your back.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

Nice.  You ever go climbing out at Reimers Ranch?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

We're in East Texas, so it's about a five and a half hour drive to get there. It's six hours to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch in Jasper, AR, and they have over 400 climbing routes plus a number of bouldering problems. It's just not worth it to go to Reimer's Ranch when there is better climbing in the Ozarks for us if the point of the trip is to climb. I'll probably try and make it out to all of the Texas climbing destinations one day, but it's just not worth it right now while I am trying to learn to be a better climber.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

4 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

We're in East Texas, so it's about a five and a half hour drive to get there. It's six hours to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch in Jasper, AR, and they have over 400 climbing routes plus a number of bouldering problems. It's just not worth it to go to Reimer's Ranch when there is better climbing in the Ozarks for us if the point of the trip is to climb. I'll probably try and make it out to all of the Texas climbing destinations one day, but it's just not worth it right now while I am trying to learn to be a better climber.

Oh wow, for sure.  I just assumed you were in or around Austin.

[davidg 4032]

On 10/11/2018 at 6:59 PM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

We're in East Texas, so it's about a five and a half hour drive to get there. It's six hours to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch in Jasper, AR, and they have over 400 climbing routes plus a number of bouldering problems. It's just not worth it to go to Reimer's Ranch when there is better climbing in the Ozarks for us if the point of the trip is to climb. I'll probably try and make it out to all of the Texas climbing destinations one day, but it's just not worth it right now while I am trying to learn to be a better climber.

Are all of the routes there on the ranch itself?  How much is just day climbing? There isn't anything listed on the website  

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Yeah, those are just the routes at the ranch. It's mostly sport with a healthy dose of trad. They have a nice guidebook that shows all the routes with good pictures of the lines and a description of where the crux is, etc. It's $10 a day per person for climbing, 12 yo and under is free. $5 a person to camp out. They also have very reasonable equipment rentals. $3 for a harness or shoes, etc. There are also numerous climbing areas within an hours drive on public land like Sam's Throne which has free campsites with pit toilets.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Just got out from Havasupai. Unfortunately, rain made the water brown every day but the day we hiked in, so my 7lbs of camera gear was useless!!!!

 

Here’s some phone shots.

 

Here is what is usually looks like:

 

 

Dirty:

 

 

Semi-Clean:

 

 

Crappy phone edit of a DSLR shot, but I think focus is off:

 

 

Also climbed down to brown Mooney:

 

 

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45512]

Still pretty

[UnivTex34 1763]

Still super fucking jealous

[horn4life 3757]

First off great thread- Second I am started to get interested in doing something that I would never, ever have done much before.... beach camping.  Mainly as I am remodeling a house to flip in Corpus and got turned onto PINS (Padre Island National Seashore).  At first I fell in love with the coolest Ladder racks I have ever seen.  Aluminum and swept forward with a solid deck on top.  There were no logos on these and I finally ran into a guy who had one on his truck and asked him about it.  I was a "ladder rack" but was really built with shark fishing in mind.  The added a side bar with pole holders in stood up on the deck to fight the fish.  I starting thinkin well... I could gut up a day or two and keep the sand out of a tent to not be miserable if I drank myself to sleep each night.  Then I saw this in my REI ad email. 

I thought that I could be pretty comfy and sand free with a rig like this.  I also thought my daughter and her friends could use it when they go campings.  They go to more remote drive up campsites and then do day hikes from the base camp.  Something like this would allow for a real quick set up.  Only concern would be making sure to never pack it up wet and let it mildew.  Anybody use anything like this?  I figured this sort of thing would be perfect for PINS.  My kid works at REI and keeps accumulating more and more gear and I was thinking Dad might splurge on the tent and maybe do a father daughter PINS trip.

I think I am going to end up buying a toy box like this in a couple years, but was thinking about this roof top tent as stop gap that my daughter might get a lot of use out of . The model below is a XLR Boost toy box that is hitch towable and has some cool features like the ramp turning into a patio. Not a full width ttoy box area, but the ability to put a ton of tools and also 16' board lengths would be a big plus for my bringing remodeling materials down for flips.  

http://www.forestriverinc.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=358&Image=13005&ModelID=4179#Main

[UnivTex34 1763]

We were talking up-thread about them. If Texas had more dispersed camping, I would already own one. Make sure and do your research, as from mine, the mattresses in each are very different and can make or break your experience. 

[Your Mom 4798]

Cross-posted from the deals thread...

REI ad came in the mail today today with the 20% off any item and another for 20% any outlet item.  I think they're available online too, REI members only.  It's not Black Friday level savings but it's worth a ton if you're shopping for something high end at REI.

[utee94 15746]

On 10/15/2018 at 2:40 PM, UnivTex34 said:

We were talking up-thread about them. If Texas had more dispersed camping, I would already own one. Make sure and do your research, as from mine, the mattresses in each are very different and can make or break your experience. 

I would just count on replacing the factory mattress with an after-market one.  There are plenty of good and (relatively) inexpensive bed-in-a-box style foam mattresses for RVs.  When we bought our new travel trailer in August, I just immediately turned around and bought this one to go in it:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0097X6730/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I love camping at PINS, we took our vintage Airstream out there a couple dozen times.  I'm a little hesitant to take the brand new trailer down there, everything gets so sandy, but I'm sure we'll do it soon.