Surly official camping and backpacking thread

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Anybody have suggestions for a 2-night backpack in Arkansas over Memorial Day?

Eagle Rock Loop.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Seconded. Just watch the river levels. There are several crossings and it can go up quickly.

[HookEm 2448]

Can it be done with 3 days hiking, 2 nights?

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Can it be done with 3 days hiking, 2 nights?

Yes. 28 miles.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Here's some beta:

http://www.ouachitamaps.com/Eagle Rock.html

The Athens Big Fork section has some pretty big ridges to climb over, I would do that section first. There should be plenty of water, so carry a filter. I would recommend trekking poles if you have them to help on the uphills.

[hookem2010 2600]

I think my plans for a 3-day, 2-night trip to Lassen Volcanic NP the end of next month are going to hold up. I've done some primitive hike-in camping, but this will be my first multi-night, true backpacking trip. Going with my brother, so this will not be a solo trek. I've got a pack and a jet boil, but I need to look at lightweight tents and may need to upgrade to a warmer sleeping bag. Tips for a first-timer on things I could easily overlook? We are planning on doing this loop, assuming the roads to get to the trailhead are clear of snow by June 21.
https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/summit-horshoe-snag-cinder-cone-rainbow-twin-and-echo-lakes-loop

[Biff Tannen 45512]

7 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I think my plans for a 3-day, 2-night trip to Lassen Volcanic NP the end of next month are going to hold up. I've done some primitive hike-in camping, but this will be my first multi-night, true backpacking trip. Going with my brother, so this will not be a solo trek. I've got a pack and a jet boil, but I need to look at lightweight tents and may need to upgrade to a warmer sleeping bag. Tips for a first-timer on things I could easily overlook? We are planning on doing this loop, assuming the roads to get to the trailhead are clear of snow by June 21.
https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/summit-horshoe-snag-cinder-cone-rainbow-twin-and-echo-lakes-loop

Looks awesome!  

I always shamelessly plug my buddy's site whenever gear questions come up, so here's a link to best tents of 2019.  He's a lightweight guru and all around good guy.

https://www.cleverhiker.com/best-tents-backpacking

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Looks awesome!  
I always shamelessly plug my buddy's site whenever gear questions come up, so here's a link to best tents of 2019.  He's a lightweight guru and all around good guy.
https://www.cleverhiker.com/best-tents-backpacking

I didn’t know your friend runs that. That’s cool.

On my recent trip to Zion/Capitol Reef, SWA didn’t get one of my bags on the plane. They told me to buy new stuff and they’d reimburse me. So I went to the Vegas REI and had somewhat of a shopping spree. Embarrassingly for me, after I had setup the new tent, I found my tent in my *other* bag. Whoops. I returned the purchased one to REI but got reimbursed for everything else, so it was a productive trip with a new sleeping bag (Nemo Disco 15), sleeping mat (Exped Megamat Lite), pillow, duffel bag, and $450 voucher.

The tent I had was a Nemo Dagger 2P, and it was great (and I actually considered keeping it, but it was too similar to my MSR Hubba Hubba). I still have my Tarptent Double Rainbow for backpacking.

Here’s a few photos from the trip (I didn’t take many):

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

1 hour ago, hookem2010 said:

I think my plans for a 3-day, 2-night trip to Lassen Volcanic NP the end of next month are going to hold up. I've done some primitive hike-in camping, but this will be my first multi-night, true backpacking trip. Going with my brother, so this will not be a solo trek. I've got a pack and a jet boil, but I need to look at lightweight tents and may need to upgrade to a warmer sleeping bag. Tips for a first-timer on things I could easily overlook? We are planning on doing this loop, assuming the roads to get to the trailhead are clear of snow by June 21.
https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/summit-horshoe-snag-cinder-cone-rainbow-twin-and-echo-lakes-loop

I think the biggest mistake most people make at first is carrying way too much stuff.

[tomahawk dunk 321]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I think the biggest mistake most people make at first is carrying way too much stuff.

No doubt. I'm relatively new to backpacking and that's what I do.

Any of you done the Lone Star Hiking Trail? I did the first 20 mile section but had to stop. Want to go back and try and do the whole thing sometime within the year.

[hookem2010 2600]

Yea, I could definitely see myself overloading my pack to make sure we have everything we need. Any recommendations for water filters and jetboil meals?

[HookEm 2448]

Don't forget matches and water filter. Once when much younger I forgot matches. Made for a much worse trip, as you can imagine. Now I pack like 5 different ways to make fire.

[Bone3421 716]

Yea, I could definitely see myself overloading my pack to make sure we have everything we need. Any recommendations for water filters and jetboil meals?

Sawyer filters are always highly rated/recommended...also a lifestraw if you want to be quick about
Have a nalgene or other bottle you like but make sure you know its your dirty one...fill it with water and just drink thru the lifestraw

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

1 hour ago, hookem2010 said:

Yea, I could definitely see myself overloading my pack to make sure we have everything we need. Any recommendations for water filters and jetboil meals?

Just get the freeze dried meals. No need to carry any other pots or anything except what you might use to drink coffee out of. You pour the boiling water in the bag and then eat it right out of the bag. Bring some extra spices for them though they can be bland.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

For water filer:

Sawyer Products SP2129 Micro Squeeze Water Filtration System https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HBMC32Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fMn1Cb7V4WSFF

This plus a smart water bottle or, what I use is

Katadyn Befree Replacement Cartridge https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9SE2T9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mNn1CbNNQ7Y59

Plus

Hydrapak Seeker Hydration Storage https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N7X1GPV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_OOn1CbSVJSN6J

Or just buy this version

Katadyn BeFree 3.0L Water Filter, Fast Flow, 0.1 Micron EZ Clean Membrane for Personal or Small Group Camping, Backpacking or Emergency Preparedness https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0764P4L7Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pPn1Cb57K99TJ

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Also agree on freeze dried. Many of them are pretty damn good now.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

For Mountain House, ones I recommend are:

Chicken and Dumplings
Chicken Fried Rice
Chicken and Mashed Potatoes
Chicken Teriyaki
Lasagna
Mac and Cheese
Biscuits and Gravy
Granola with Milk and Blueberries (can be hot or cold)

I haven’t really had a “bad” one, and there are many more I haven’t tried.

Backpacker’s Pantry and Alpine Aire make some fancier ones.

[Bone3421 716]

For Mountain House, ones I recommend are:

Chicken and Dumplings
Chicken Fried Rice
Chicken and Mashed Potatoes
Chicken Teriyaki
Lasagna
Mac and Cheese
Biscuits and Gravy
Granola with Milk and Blueberries (can be hot or cold)

I haven’t really had a “bad” one, and there are many more I haven’t tried.

Backpacker’s Pantry and Alpine Aire make some fancier ones.

I havent had it yet but the stroganoff is supposedly legit...and beef stew gets a few recs

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I haven’t had Stroganoff but a friend of mine does like it.

[davidg 4032]

2 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

 

 

1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Don't forget matches and water filter. Once when much younger I forgot matches. Made for a much worse trip, as you can imagine. Now I pack like 5 different ways to make fire.

A BIC Jr lighter, ferro rod and a small tube of ECO storm matches is my primary and back up fire needs.  I carry 1 or 2 small fire starter cubes for emergency use in the winter but just use hand sanitizer most of the time as a starter.

36 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

For water filer:

Sawyer Products SP2129 Micro Squeeze Water Filtration System https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HBMC32Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fMn1Cb7V4WSFF

 

The Sawyer Squeeze or micro are great for 1 or 2 people.  We used the Platypus Gravity works filters for our Philmont crews. Get a pack of micropur tablets as a backup.

 

28 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

For Mountain House, ones I recommend are:

The Chicken and rice and Beef Stroganoff are decent.  Steer clear of the chili mac.

Some Cajun spice in a ziplock and small bottle of hot sauce makes just about anything better.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Just don't get the mountainhouse ones with eggs. I think you need a pan to fix them and they were terrible the one time I tried them.

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

https://www.backpackerspantry.com/freeze-dried-food/meal/santa-fe-chicken

I seem to remember this one being pretty good as well. You will probably eat more if you have it than you realize, so do a little research on how much food to pack. I've run out of food early on the last day before.

[BillyBadAss 189]

The new REI quarter done SL 2 looks pretty interesting at under 3 lbs for $320.

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rei.com/product/147863/rei-co-op-quarter-dome-sl-2-tent&ved=2ahUKEwixguyU9JXiAhVIbKwKHevyBHkQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1RgAza3mzq_iC0UmpktXo4&cshid=1557661571942

Edited May 12, 2019 by BillyBadAss

[BillyBadAss 189]

I'm off to Zion for a 5 day Trek. Doing bottom up Subway then the West to East trans Zion hike. 

Any last minute advice on my load out?

https://lighterpack.com/r/a3i9r0

Or advice in general? @Anton Chigurh

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I'm off to Zion for a 5 day Trek. Doing bottom up Subway then the West to East trans Zion hike. 
Any last minute advice on my load out?
https://lighterpack.com/r/a3i9r0
Or advice in general? [mention=25]Anton Chigurh[/mention]

Man, Subway was a mess when I went a few weeks ago. Hopefully it’s somewhat better for you. I’m 6’3” and the creek crossings were up to waist deep in places for me.

My pic vs “normal” flow.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I'm off to Zion for a 5 day Trek. Doing bottom up Subway then the West to East trans Zion hike. 
Any last minute advice on my load out?
https://lighterpack.com/r/a3i9r0
Or advice in general? [mention=25]Anton Chigurh[/mention]

Your load out looks great, though I would probably ditch the shorts and just use the pants.

[davidg 4032]

10 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

I'm off to Zion for a 5 day Trek. Doing bottom up Subway then the West to East trans Zion hike. 

Any last minute advice on my load out?

https://lighterpack.com/r/a3i9r0

Or advice in general? @Anton Chigurh

Pretty good list.   I take 24" of luekotape wrapped around an old motel swipe key instead of moleskin.  I find it works much better for blisters than moleskin.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I'm off to Zion for a 5 day Trek. Doing bottom up Subway then the West to East trans Zion hike. 
Any last minute advice on my load out?
https://lighterpack.com/r/a3i9r0
Or advice in general? [mention=25]Anton Chigurh[/mention]

Hey, something I realized, is that the trail up to east mesa is still closed due to rock fall. What do you plan on doing for that?

[UnivTex34 1763]

Set up my Mantis and tarp for the first time this weekend. Set-up is so quick and easy. Also, I played with a suspension system that doesn’t need trees. I can now hang a hammock on the beach without anything else (or above the tree line, or if I only have one tree).

[Shenanigans 31]

1 hour ago, UnivTex34 said:

Set up my Mantis and tarp for the first time this weekend. Set-up is so quick and easy. Also, I played with a suspension system that doesn’t need trees. I can now hang a hammock on the beach without anything else (or above the tree line, or if I only have one tree).

Thats slick! Did you make the whoopie slings or did they come with the suspension system? Do you have a link?

[UnivTex34 1763]

10 minutes ago, Shenanigans said:

Thats slick! Did you make the whoopie slings or did they come with the suspension system? Do you have a link?

I made the whoopie slings and and those connect to a 6 foot section of amsteel with brummel splices on both ends. Then I bought some 12kn carabiners, and those connect to my stakes and the whoopee slings. The poles are Tensa Solo's, so they collapse down to the length of your forearm. When you buy those, you have the option to include the hardware with them, but I thought they were charging way too much for that, so I opted to buy just the poles and make everything else myself. The system works really well.

 

https://www.tensaoutdoor.com/product/tensa2-hammock-stand-formerly-tiggzcraftworkz-carcamp-tele/

[TexasHooch 5117]

On 3/24/2019 at 7:05 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Just used my dividend and 20% off coupon to get my tent for the PCT.  This was my last big piece of gear, not including sat beacon, bear can, ice axe, and microspikes/crampons.

Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1.

 

Also, I think I am revising my start date.  I had originally been shooting for April 6, 2020.  Of course a lot of this depends on the permit as well.  Came across an article (blog post) espousing the logic of starting in March instead of the more common mid-April approach.  Makes sense to me and I would love to not be in the "bubble", not to mention being able to get a permit more easily.

https://www.hikerbeta.com/articles/2017/10/10/april-is-the-worst-time-to-start-the-pacific-crest-trail-heres-why

Been looking to upgrade my 13 year-old MSR Zoid 2 before I head out on a 3 week Boundary Waters trip in September.  Got lucky.  Just bought a brand new Copper Spur HV UL2 on auction for $175. Figure I can sell the MSR for $65-$70 and I will have bought a brand new $450 tent for about a hundred bucks.  Today was a good day.

Did you get a footprint for yours?  I think I'd be good in terms of water protection but I worry about the durability of the material.

 

[BillyBadAss 189]

11 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Did you get a footprint for yours?  I think I'd be good in terms of water protection but I worry about the durability of the material.

 

From what I've read, a lot of people cut a Tyvek sheet to size for a footprint. It's tough, waterproof, and a fraction of the cost of most footprints. 

[BillyBadAss 189]

On 5/12/2019 at 7:10 PM, Anton Chigurh said:

 

Hey, something I realized, is that the trail up to east mesa is still closed due to rock fall. What do you plan on doing for that?

 

We're leaving our car at the visitor center, getting a ride to Lee's Pass and hiking back, then driving to the East Rim trailhead to hike in and back from that side. 

We have permits for Horse Camp in Hop Valley, Wildcat Canyon, West Rim, and East Rim. Heading out shortly..

Finished the Subway yesterday. Water has gone down quite a bit, it never hit my waste in any places. There were deeper spots but we picked our crossings carefully. The pools at the top are still covered up though.

Edited May 14, 2019 by BillyBadAss

[davidg 4032]

58 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

From what I've read, a lot of people cut a Tyvek sheet to size for a footprint. It's tough, waterproof, and a fraction of the cost of most footprints. 

I bought precut tyvek for my Tarptents but we had a dad in construction donate a partial roll of building tyvek to our scout troop and we made all kinds of footprints and dining flys with it.  Works great.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

12 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Been looking to upgrade my 13 year-old MSR Zoid 2 before I head out on a 3 week Boundary Waters trip in September.  Got lucky.  Just bought a brand new Copper Spur HV UL2 on auction for $175. Figure I can sell the MSR for $65-$70 and I will have bought a brand new $450 tent for about a hundred bucks.  Today was a good day.

Did you get a footprint for yours?  I think I'd be good in terms of water protection but I worry about the durability of the material.

 

 

1 hour ago, BillyBadAss said:

From what I've read, a lot of people cut a Tyvek sheet to size for a footprint. It's tough, waterproof, and a fraction of the cost of most footprints. 

 

12 minutes ago, davidg said:

I bought precut tyvek for my Tarptents but we had a dad in construction donate a partial roll of building tyvek to our scout troop and we made all kinds of footprints and dining flys with it.  Works great.

Problem with the Copper Spur is that the footprint is specifically made so you can set up just the outer rainfly with it.  For me, this is probably a good thing to have for the PCT in case of Sierra thunderstorms, etc.  I suppose you could put in the grommets in a piece of tyvek and it would work, but I may just drop the $60 for the footprint.

[tokamak 6353]

Anyone ever done one of the REI guided trips? I'm looking to get into backpacking but don't want to go alone at first and don't have a partner to go with me. I'm 35, probably about average fitness.

Looks like they have some interesting 3-ish day trips to places like Pacific Crest Trail and Appalachian Trail.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

31 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Anyone ever done one of the REI guided trips? I'm looking to get into backpacking but don't want to go alone at first and don't have a partner to go with me. I'm 35, probably about average fitness.

Looks like they have some interesting 3-ish day trips to places like Pacific Crest Trail and Appalachian Trail.

My co-worker guides for them out at Big Bend, but it's expensive as hell.  Like $3 grand plus for 5 days.  I've heard it's very well done, but I don't want to drop that kind of coin.

[tomahawk dunk 321]

On 5/15/2019 at 11:31 AM, tokamak said:

Anyone ever done one of the REI guided trips? I'm looking to get into backpacking but don't want to go alone at first and don't have a partner to go with me. I'm 35, probably about average fitness.

Looks like they have some interesting 3-ish day trips to places like Pacific Crest Trail and Appalachian Trail.

I've done 2 with them. I think if you searched around you might could find the same/similar trips for up to 30% less. 

 

[HookEm 2448]

Planning to do the Eagle Rock loop in Arkansas with my son this coming weekend. High of 85. Low of 69. Is that too hot? Should I bail and go to Ruidoso?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

That's not too bad. Should be plenty cool at night. Try to plan your campsites so you are setting up near the river. That way you can swim and cool off.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

It was hot and humid as fuck today out at Reimer's Ranch.  Time to start early morning hiking from now on.  Also ran into a rattlesnake that didn't rattle.  Will cross post in snek thread.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Biff Tannen

[Saint Tacky 1610]

On 5/13/2019 at 8:05 PM, TexasHooch said:

Been looking to upgrade my 13 year-old MSR Zoid 2 before I head out on a 3 week Boundary Waters trip in September.  Got lucky.  Just bought a brand new Copper Spur HV UL2 on auction for $175. Figure I can sell the MSR for $65-$70 and I will have bought a brand new $450 tent for about a hundred bucks.  Today was a good day.

Did you get a footprint for yours?  I think I'd be good in terms of water protection but I worry about the durability of the material.

 

I bought the footprint for my UL3 and it isn't much thicker than the floor of the tent.  I was fairly unimpressed.  I'm going to add grommets to something a little more durable and see how that works.

On 5/19/2019 at 9:54 AM, HookEm said:

Planning to do the Eagle Rock loop in Arkansas with my son this coming weekend. High of 85. Low of 69. Is that too hot? Should I bail and go to Ruidoso?

I did it this time a year ago and it was warm, but not too hot.  The ticks are ready and waiting though, so you'll have to take preventive measures and check carefully.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

1 hour ago, Saint Tacky said:

I bought the footprint for my UL3 and it isn't much thicker than the floor of the tent.  I was fairly unimpressed.  I'm going to add grommets to something a little more durable and see how that works.

I am thinking about doing this as well.  You going to try tyvek?

[Saint Tacky 1610]

23 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I am thinking about doing this as well.  You going to try tyvek?

that's probably the starter.  It's cheap and easy to replace, but I've been reading that it sounds really "crinkly" unless you wash it several times beforehand.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Don’t underestimate the strength of the thinner fabrics. That’s why they’re so damn expensive in the first place.

Although, even 20 repair patches in the bottom of your tent is lighter and cheaper than the stock footprint.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

Footprint for mine is $60.  Might be worth it just to not have to hassle.  I'm not really a DIY hiker anyway, though maybe I should be.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Footprint for mine is $60.  Might be worth it just to not have to hassle.  I'm not really a DIY hiker anyway, though maybe I should be.

REI sale is going on currently. If you’re a member you can use your 20% off on it. Or look on Backcountry/Campsaver.

[Biff Tannen 45512]

Just now, Anton Chigurh said:

 

REI sale is going on currently. If you’re a member you can use your 20% off on it. Or look on Backcountry/Campsaver.

 

Yeah, I'm gonna use my 20% on new hiking shoes methinks.  I don't have any other big gear purchases left, so shoes make the most sense.

[High Plains Drifter 10984]

3 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Don’t underestimate the strength of the thinner fabrics. That’s why they’re so damn expensive in the first place.

Although, even 20 repair patches in the bottom of your tent is lighter and cheaper than the stock footprint.

 

This. If you're careful of where you set up, I wouldn't worry about tearing the footprint too much.