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1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

Facebook is going the way of AOL.  Now it is really only a glossier version of Craigslist and a social calendar event organizing tool.  

Only if somebody else pops up with a major platform that mom and pop can use, that has everything that FB already has.

AOL didn't make the leap to broadband provider, so they fell behind their competition fast. AOL was selling internet access over dial-up, and once broadband hit the mainstream scene, a big chunk of AOL's userbase no longer had a need for AOL - AOL would be yet another expense on top of their broadband bill (for many, AOL was their internet access until broadband came along).  In other words, AOL didn't evolve, while FB has evolved over time with things like Instagram, marketplace, etc.

AOL wasn't profitable in a way that FB is - their profit relied on people using their service sparingly, and when they started to fall behind the competition, they went from an hourly fee to a monthly fee in the late 90s, and it killed their profit margin when people stayed logged in trying to find horny men and women in Austin and Dallas.  FB doesn't face that dilemma because their revenue increases when usage increases.

Finally, the AOL-Time Warner merger completely turbofucked everything.  Facebook is not merging with anybody at that kind of scale.

There are very few things that can send FB the way of AOL.  It would have to be a competently run platform that offers much of what FB has, just as AOL was wiped out by broadband providing better connection services than AOL.  When broadband came along in a big way, people were willing to forego AOL for the better internet access, and would then go find AdultFriendFinder.com or whatever to bang hot ladies and dudes in Austin and Dallas.  Apple, Microsoft, and Google are the only companies that could offer a platform at that scale that could compete with FB, and Google has made runs at it, and I'm not sure Microsoft can do that for a lot of reasons (and arguably they have a platform with LinkedIn, but it's no FB).

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13 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

I remember Google Plus

So does Facebook.  And don't forget Orkut either.

Google had Google Drive/Photos, YouTube (a bigger social media platform than Facebook), Blogger (which would have been an easy platform for individual user pages) and a bunch of other services, but Google is gonna Google.

Somebody wrote a book that claimed it scared Zuckerberg and he forced the company to boost a lot of areas or add new features.

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The next big social media platform won't come from any of the legacy tech giants IMO. MBAs know how to make money but they can't figure out how to entertain.

It's like the old casinos where you were having so much fun all night you didn't care if you went home broke. Then they shifted to trying to seperate you from as much of your money as quickly as possible. It works but eventually you're gonna stop coming back.

I'm also curious how exactly people define "social media" Is it the personal aspect of it, attaching your name and image to the content you put online? How is that really different from message boards besides the pictures and fake names? 

All the youngsters I interact with mention Discord and I dont really understand what's going on there. So Im gonna put my chips behind that being the next big thing

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This mash up of many Zuckerberg interviews is a must. It has the Swisher/Mossberg one where he had a panic attack on stage when they grilled him like a steak

And it has the entire meaty part of the interview where he self immolated himself over Holocaust denial.

 

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41 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

When broadband came along in a big way, people were willing to forego AOL for the better internet access, and would then go find AdultFriendFinder.com or whatever to bang hot ladies and dudes in Austin and Dallas. 

Yahoo Personals, was the next evolution. Yahoo pretty much offered a similar walled garden as AOL but without being the ISP.

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7 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

This mash up of many Zuckerberg interviews is a must. It has the Swisher/Mossberg one where he had a panic attack on stage when they grilled him like a steak

And it has the entire meaty part of the interview where he self immolated himself over Holocaust denial.

 

55 minutes is quite a bit more than my brain can process. Can I get a Tik Tok version?

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When analyzing this issue and the Elon Musk issue, keep in mind the biggest takeaway from the Blake Lively story, which is that even a relative nobody like Justin Baldoni can benefit from a PR strategy that can control the comment sections and virality of good press, bad press, and everything in between, to the point where your opinion of a public figure has been all but molded by these shadow operatives without you even realizing it.

Why did we ever think Mark Zuckerberg was a liberal, or sympathetic to liberal causes? Why did we ever think Elon Musk had an above room temperature IQ? It's not our fault that we've got more important things to do than to second guess our first impressions of public figures.

Sure, it seems obvious now that he's always been a sociopath who would gladly inflict psychological distress on millions of people if it meant his stock would go up one quarter of a point, but let's not blame ourselves for failing to see him for what he really is. It's by design that anything we think we know about a famous person has gone through many, many filters and focus groups.

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4 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

55 minutes is quite a bit more than my brain can process. Can I get a Tik Tok version?

I recommend the whole thing but yeah, I get it's a lot. Here are the highest points if you want to skip to them:

2:30 - Cambridge Analytica interview that outlines how Zuck has no accountability at Facebook

14:30 - Is the Mossberg/Swisher Interview. They address some of the privacy issues which started around 14:00.

34:00 - The big interview where Mark makes the Holocaust faux pas. I recommend listening to the setup from 31:30.

45:00 - Mark's commencement speech to Harvard (2017).
(whole text is here - https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/05/mark-zuckerbergs-speech-as-written-for-harvards-class-of-2017/ )

51:30 - Frances Haugen Interview - the flatness of Facebook and the flaw of it.

I think as a big whole - these give us the largest insights into exactly how Zuck operates IN HIS OWN WORDS. The 2:30 interview outlines just how little accountability there is at Facebook. 34:00 shows how Zuck wants to get and keep as many people as he can on his platforms, and how he really just doesn't care what the discourse is (just like the Maria Ressa comment I mentioned last page and his newest content moderation change). 45:00 IMHO truly outlines how Zuck doesn't see anything he has done as wrong - HE LITERALLY SAYS IT:

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Anyone working on a big vision will get called crazy, even if you end up right.

And then the Haugen interview at the end shows his blind spots, Swisher nails it "People of Facebook, we are all equals!" <Mark goes off and gets on his private jet to leave>

If you have a bit more time, I think the last 12 or so minutes (46:30) are really good to give you a great insight into Zuckerberg as a whole. Swisher goes down a lot of her NY Times headlines and gives reasons for them. There is a small blurb in there (48:30) where she notes that he's said and is right that Apple has a ton of power, more than people realize. And I would say around 50:00 she has a good piece on his drive and how he has a great big picture view, but the small picture details of it are just wrong. I think this where she uses the Caesar analogy "Now we have democracy! Yes, but millions of people just died!"

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

When analyzing this issue and the Elon Musk issue, keep in mind the biggest takeaway from the Blake Lively story, which is that even a relative nobody like Justin Baldoni can benefit from a PR strategy that can control the comment sections and virality of good press, bad press, and everything in between, to the point where your opinion of a public figure has been all but molded by these shadow operatives without you even realizing it.

Why did we ever think Mark Zuckerberg was a liberal, or sympathetic to liberal causes? Why did we ever think Elon Musk had an above room temperature IQ? It's not our fault that we've got more important things to do than to second guess our first impressions of public figures.

Sure, it seems obvious now that he's always been a sociopath who would gladly inflict psychological distress on millions of people if it meant his stock would go up one quarter of a point, but let's not blame ourselves for failing to see him for what he really is. It's by design that anything we think we know about a famous person has gone through many, many filters and focus groups.

Eh, it's been obvious the whole time (IMHO). Unlike Muck, Zuckerberg really hasn't changed much at all this time. He has shifted with the winds this whole time all for the sake of Facebook's value. That he was a sociopath has been obvious since The Social Network. This discussion is mostly to keep up with this view and keep a spotlight on him.

1 hour ago, royiv said:

Maybe cmonchina can make a cute little dance video for you.

I'm still waiting for him to show me proof about Zuck pushing the TikTok ban.

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