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23 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

I honestly don’t remember the last time I heard about a player at any school missing time because of grades. It was definitely pre-Covid. 

They've gotten it worked out. Especially now that players are making hundreds of thousands of $$$. At most schools the players take mostly online classes and they take them with "tutors"

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26 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

I honestly don’t remember the last time I heard about a player at any school missing time because of grades. It was definitely pre-Covid. 

I saw where Dion said Shimere and the all world guy never went to one class at Colorado...

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here is our list of football academic all-americans (1st/2nd/3rd-team & Honorable Mentions)

1958    Maurice Doke - E
1959    Maurice Doke - G
1961    John Treadwell - G
1962    Pat Culpepper - B
1962    John Treadwell - G
1963    Duke Carlisle - B
1966    Gene Bledsoe - OT
1967    Mike Perrin - DE
1967    Corby Robertson - LB
1968    Scott Henderson - LB
1968    Corby Robertson - LB
1969    Scott Henderson - LB
1971    Jeff Zupalac - C
1972    Mike Bayer - DB
1972    Tommy Keel - S
1972    Steve Oxley - OT
1973    Tommy Keel - S
1975    Bill Hamilton - LB
1976    Bill Hamilton - LB
1983    Doug Dawson - OG
1987    Lee Beckelman - LB
1988    Lee Mark Brockman - LB
1995    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1996    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1998    Dusty Renfro - LB
2000    Kris Stockton - P
2007    Dallas Griffin - OL
2007    Derek Lokey - DL
2008    Chris Ogbonnaya - RB
2009    Adam Ulatoski - OL
2009    Sam Acho - DL
2010    Sam Acho - DL
2013    Nate Boyer - OL
2022    Ovie Oghoufo - DL
2023    Bert Auburn - K
2023    Jake Majors - OL

 

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24 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

here is our list of football academic all-americans (1st/2nd/3rd-team & Honorable Mentions)

1958    Maurice Doke - E
1959    Maurice Doke - G
1961    John Treadwell - G
1962    Pat Culpepper - B
1962    John Treadwell - G
1963    Duke Carlisle - B
1966    Gene Bledsoe - OT
1967    Mike Perrin - DE
1967    Corby Robertson - LB
1968    Scott Henderson - LB
1968    Corby Robertson - LB
1969    Scott Henderson - LB
1971    Jeff Zupalac - C
1972    Mike Bayer - DB
1972    Tommy Keel - S
1972    Steve Oxley - OT
1973    Tommy Keel - S
1975    Bill Hamilton - LB
1976    Bill Hamilton - LB
1983    Doug Dawson - OG
1987    Lee Beckelman - LB
1988    Lee Mark Brockman - LB
1995    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1996    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1998    Dusty Renfro - LB
2000    Kris Stockton - P
2007    Dallas Griffin - OL
2007    Derek Lokey - DL
2008    Chris Ogbonnaya - RB
2009    Adam Ulatoski - OL
2009    Sam Acho - DL
2010    Sam Acho - DL
2013    Nate Boyer - OL
2022    Ovie Oghoufo - DL
2023    Bert Auburn - K
2023    Jake Majors - OL

 

Before the Westlake Mafia hits you with negs, 1971 is Zapalac.

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Why even require them to take classes at this point. They are professional athletes that will soon be getting paid by the athletic department to play football. I guess you could make it optional for the few that actually want to learn something. But the traditional notion of "student athletes" seems pointless these days. Let them major in football.

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13 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Why even require them to take classes at this point. They are professional athletes that will soon be getting paid by the athletic department to play football. I guess you could make it optional for the few that actually want to learn something. But the traditional notion of "student athletes" seems pointless these days. Let them major in football.

The funny thing is I bet the school could create a pretty useful curriculum in majoring in football everything from the business aspect, communication and physical/nutrition aspect. 

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4 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

here is our list of football academic all-americans (1st/2nd/3rd-team & Honorable Mentions)

1958    Maurice Doke - E
1959    Maurice Doke - G
1961    John Treadwell - G
1962    Pat Culpepper - B
1962    John Treadwell - G
1963    Duke Carlisle - B
1966    Gene Bledsoe - OT
1967    Mike Perrin - DE
1967    Corby Robertson - LB
1968    Scott Henderson - LB
1968    Corby Robertson - LB
1969    Scott Henderson - LB
1971    Jeff Zupalac - C
1972    Mike Bayer - DB
1972    Tommy Keel - S
1972    Steve Oxley - OT
1973    Tommy Keel - S
1975    Bill Hamilton - LB
1976    Bill Hamilton - LB
1983    Doug Dawson - OG
1987    Lee Beckelman - LB
1988    Lee Mark Brockman - LB
1995    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1996    Pat Fitzgerald - TE
1998    Dusty Renfro - LB
2000    Kris Stockton - P
2007    Dallas Griffin - OL
2007    Derek Lokey - DL
2008    Chris Ogbonnaya - RB
2009    Adam Ulatoski - OL
2009    Sam Acho - DL
2010    Sam Acho - DL
2013    Nate Boyer - OL
2022    Ovie Oghoufo - DL
2023    Bert Auburn - K
2023    Jake Majors - OL

 

Why are there so few? What are the requirements to make it? 

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32 minutes ago, Spindletop said:

I teach an upper-division elective at the business school and have had multiple student-athletes in my class. As a whole, they are above the average for my class--they show up most of the time, pay attention, and do the work. I don't know what sports they play unless they give me documentation about the specific classes they are allowed to miss due to University-sponsored sports events. One student who plays a sport people know about wrote to me yesterday asking the best way to make up the work they have to miss due to the competition schedule.

I am impressed by our student-athletes. They work much harder than I did when I was a student.

I will qualify my earlier comments by suggesting I was really talking about the football players and basketball players (probably baseball as well)....the ones that arrive in Austin with fat NIL deals with dreams of a high paying professional career. I suspect that swimmers, rowers, etc... are probably more disciplined than the average student and would do well in class. But I'm guessing the majority of our scholarship football and basketball players wouldn't sniff admission to UT if it weren't for the fact that they were badass athletes. I've heard a lot of these guys speak and they don't sound particularly well educated. 

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1 hour ago, Blotto said:

I will qualify my earlier comments by suggesting I was really talking about the football players and basketball players (probably baseball as well)....the ones that arrive in Austin with fat NIL deals with dreams of a high paying professional career. I suspect that swimmers, rowers, etc... are probably more disciplined than the average student and would do well in class. But I'm guessing the majority of our scholarship football and basketball players wouldn't sniff admission to UT if it weren't for the fact that they were badass athletes. I've heard a lot of these guys speak and they don't sound particularly well educated. 

Totally fair, and what you are saying could be true.

My sample size is small, and doesn't include the sports you mention as far as I know, but I have been happy to have student-athletes in my class because they take the "student" part seriously and are really trying to pick up the material. Of course, there is self-selection bias because I teach in a major that has a reputation for being difficult. No academic advisor will direct students to our department for an "easy" major.

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That we are still pretending that this isn't a minor-league professional sport is fucking hysterical to me. 

16 minutes ago, pacman said:

This level of detail really has me hopeful Sark wins a national championship here.

The level of play that Sark consistently puts on the field has me plenty hopeful. 

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3 hours ago, Blotto said:

Why even require them to take classes at this point. They are professional athletes that will soon be getting paid by the athletic department to play football. I guess you could make it optional for the few that actually want to learn something. But the traditional notion of "student athletes" seems pointless these days. Let them major in football.

 

3 hours ago, YChang said:

The funny thing is I bet the school could create a pretty useful curriculum in majoring in football everything from the business aspect, communication and physical/nutrition aspect. 

IF they are ever able to major in football the University would be negligent if they didn't have some basic economic classes, and maybe something on how to evaluate agents and lawyers without hiring your buddies.  Maybe even classes on how to get an Uber at a bar, how to keep from fighting at a bar, or how to ride with other people and not have a gun in your lap.  Don't forget the car salesman courses.  Those all seem like they could be useful.

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4 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

 

IF they are ever able to major in football the University would be negligent if they didn't have some basic economic classes, and maybe something on how to evaluate agents and lawyers without hiring your buddies.  Maybe even classes on how to get an Uber at a bar, how to keep from fighting at a bar, or how to ride with other people and not have a gun in your lap.  Don't forget the car salesman courses.  Those all seem like they could be useful.

 

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4 hours ago, Spindletop said:

Totally fair, and what you are saying could be true.

My sample size is small, and doesn't include the sports you mention as far as I know, but I have been happy to have student-athletes in my class because they take the "student" part seriously and are really trying to pick up the material. Of course, there is self-selection bias because I teach in a major that has a reputation for being difficult. No academic advisor will direct students to our department for an "easy" major.

You sound smart. Why are you here?

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