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so I know Sark is not the only one that does this, but how exactly do they work it?

are there 15 plays they are going to call one after the other no matter the situation or 15 plays they are going to call in the first 15, but with down and distance factored in

 

if there is a kickoff and some knucklehead fields it at the 12 and then there is a block in the back and the ball is on the 6 to start the drive do you still call the long pass down the sidelines play you wanted to open with even though it has less chance of success

if it is 3rd and 6 on the opening drive at your own 22 do you still call the draw up the middle or the curl routes for 4 yards even though you need 6 yards

 

if you bust off a long kick off return to start and then the first two plays get you 9 yards at their 27 so it is 3rd and 1 at their 27 do you still call the slow developing screen play to the flat that is almost a backwards pass even though you need 1 yard and have been running well on the prior 2 plays

 

or again is it 15 plays you choose from to run in the first 15.....one of those options seems to fuck you into calling dumb shit "because first 15 plays scripted" and you think nothing of the down, distance, and location on the field

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18 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

The strategic phenomenon wherein collegiate gridiron tacticians meticulously preordain the initial succession of offensive maneuvers—colloquially referred to as “scripting plays”—constitutes a paradigmatic exemplification of both calculated foresight and intricate game theory application. This procedural stratagem, imbued with multifaceted layers of tactical intentionality, serves as a cerebral amalgamation of predictive analytics, psychological manipulation, and adaptive contingency planning.

To fully elucidate the raison d'être underpinning this sophisticated methodology, one must first delve into the epistemological framework through which the collegiate football coach perceives the game. At its core, football is a dynamic system characterized by the incessant interplay of stochastic variables—the opposing defense’s schematic proclivities, the psychophysiological state of one’s athletes, and the ambient contextual contingencies of the game environment. By predetermining the first series of offensive actions, coaches ostensibly endeavor to mitigate the inherent entropy of these factors, thereby engendering a semblance of initial order amidst the chaotic milieu of competition.

From an operational standpoint, the act of scripting transcends mere rote planning; it embodies an anticipatory orchestration of events designed to exert a unilateral influence on the opponent’s defensive schema. The scripted plays, often numbering between 10 and 15, are not arbitrarily selected but are curated with meticulous precision, reflecting an intricate synthesis of film study, historical trend analysis, and situational probability calculus. Such plays are typically designed to probe the defensive alignments and tendencies, effectively functioning as diagnostic instruments that yield invaluable telemetry regarding the adversary’s proclivities.

Moreover, the scripting process is imbued with an almost dramaturgical element, whereby the coach assumes the role of a narrative architect, choreographing an initial act that sets the thematic tone for the remainder of the contest. This dramaturgy serves a dual purpose: it instills confidence and rhythmic cohesion within the offensive unit while concurrently engendering a psychological stratagem aimed at destabilizing the opposition’s defensive resolve. The prescriptive nature of a script, replete with contingencies for potential deviations, also functions as a didactic tool, preemptively inoculating the players against the cognitive overload that often accompanies the fluid exigencies of in-game decision-making.

The efficacy of scripting is further augmented by its capacity to act as an epistemic gambit. By operationalizing preordained sequences that encompass a heterogeneous array of formations, motions, and play concepts, coaches can obfuscate their overarching tactical predilections, thereby compelling the opposing defense into a state of heuristic recalibration. This deliberate opacity not only engenders a temporal advantage but also facilitates a latent psychological asymmetry, wherein the defensive unit’s cognitive resources are disproportionately allocated towards reactive adjustments rather than proactive stratagems.

Critically, the scripted drive also serves as a crucible for the iterative refinement of tactical paradigms. By juxtaposing the premeditated plays against the on-field defensive responses, coaches acquire a corpus of empirical data that informs subsequent adaptive strategies. This feedback loop exemplifies the cybernetic principle of continuous improvement, whereby the initial script catalyzes a dynamic interplay of action and reaction that ultimately converges towards an optimal offensive modus operandi.

In summation, the practice of scripting the initial offensive drive constitutes an exemplar of strategic sophistication within the realm of collegiate football. It is a manifestation of the coach’s role as both a theoretician and practitioner, wherein the synthesis of analytical rigor, psychological acuity, and tactical ingenuity coalesce to engender a competitive advantage. Far from being a mere procedural formality, the scripted drive epitomizes the quintessence of anticipatory strategy, illuminating the profound interconnection between premeditation and performance in the intricate theater of sport.

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15 minutes ago, troph said:

What am I supposed to do with all of that?

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I asked Gemini...

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"Okay, here's a simpler explanation of why football coaches like Steve Sarkisian of the Texas Longhorns sometimes plan their first few plays ahead of time, even if it seems a little silly sometimes:

Imagine you're playing a video game against a tough opponent. You don't know exactly what they're going to do, right? Football is similar. Coaches don't know exactly what the other team will do on defense.

So, some coaches, like Coach Sarkisian, make a plan for the first few plays of the game. This is called "scripting." Think of it like writing the first few pages of a story before you know how it will end. They usually script around 10 to 15 plays.

Why do they do this?

To figure out the other team: The first few plays are like test runs. They help the coach see how the other team reacts to different plays. It's like poking the other team to see where they are weak.
To trick the other team: By running different kinds of plays at the beginning, the coach makes it harder for the other team to guess what they will do next.
To give their own team confidence: When the players know the plan ahead of time, they can focus on doing their jobs well without overthinking. It is like rehearsing for a play; the actors feel more sure of themselves when they know their lines.
To set the tone: The first few plays can get the team excited and playing with energy. It's like starting a race with a strong push off the blocks.
To learn and adjust: The coach watches how the other team reacts to the first few plays. Then, they can change their plan for the rest of the game based on what they learned. It's like using the first few questions of a test to figure out what the teacher is really focusing on.
Does it always work?

Not always! Sometimes, a planned play might not be the best choice because of what happens on the field. For example, if the team is close to scoring, they might want to run the ball instead of throwing a long pass they had planned. It's not required that they stick to the script no matter what. A good coach knows when to stick to the plan and when to change it up.

In short: Scripting the first few plays is like having a starting strategy in a game. It helps coaches learn about the other team, confuse them, and get their own team going. But, it's just a starting point, and good coaches are ready to change their plans if needed.

Examples of illegal acts:

Hacking into the opposing team's computer system to steal their playbook.
Tampering with the game ball to make it harder for the other team to handle.
Paying a player on the other team to intentionally play poorly.
Examples of hate speech:

Using racial slurs to refer to players or coaches on the other team.
Making generalizations about a group of people based on their religion or ethnicity.
Inciting violence against fans or players of the opposing team."

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Plays scripts generally have "Normal Down" and "Situational" branches.

Examples of situational would be 2nd & Short, 3rd Downs by distance, Red Zone (and Goal Line), Coming out of own endzone, 1st down after a 1st down (rhythm plays).  Then there might be a separate play script against a certain defensive adjustment expected from your opponent (vs Cover 2, vs Man, vs 3-High, etc.)

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5 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Plays scripts generally have "Normal Down" and "Situational" branches.

Examples of situational would be 2nd & Short, 3rd Downs by distance, Red Zone (and Goal Line), Coming out of own endzone, 1st down after a 1st down (rhythm plays).  Then there might be a separate play script against a certain defensive adjustment expected from your opponent (vs Cover 2, vs Man, vs 3-High, etc.)

That's the way I've always understood it. The script is used during normal game flow and down and distances. You obviously aren't using your script if your first play is 1st and 10 from your own 1 or you face a 3rd and 25 on your first possession. 

Teams and players also know the 3-4 bread-and-butter plays for certain situations heading into a game (4th and short, 2 point conversions, low and high red zone, shot plays, trick plays, etc). You've heard Sark say several times something to the effect of "Milwee and I decided Friday night that the first 3rd and short we are running X" or "we've had that trick play repped and ready for 3 weeks" or whatever it is.

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1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:

I particularly like a pistol formation from your own 1 yard line with a delay handoff deep in the backfield. That always catches them off guard. 

Meh, I like the slowly developing short side pitch close to the everyone, you know when everyone is more bunched up to the line.

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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

Meh, I like the slowly developing short side pitch close to the everyone, you know when everyone is more bunched up to the line.

You've got to make sure your opponent has great speed and an all world safety on that one, as it works better then.

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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

Meh, I like the slowly developing short side pitch close to the everyone, you know when everyone is more bunched up to the line.

Only if QB1 turns his back to the defense for 3 seconds or more 

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16 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

It was pretty well known by folks who paid attention right after the game. But that’s the first legit article I’ve seen on it where it was actually admitted.

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I know and respect there are varying opinions on AI and its usefulness. 

But this is a message board. The point is for users to write their own thoughts and opinions. I'd rather see this thread die off than get an answer from ChatGPT or whatever other AI app to keep it going. I think it's prudent to discourage the use of AI overall on Surly, because the content here will go to absolute shit if we start letting it become normal. 

 

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51 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I know and respect there are varying opinions on AI and its usefulness. 

But this is a message board. The point is for users to write their own thoughts and opinions. I'd rather see this thread die off than get an answer from ChatGPT or whatever other AI app to keep it going. I think it's prudent to discourage the use of AI overall on Surly, because the content here will go to absolute shit if we start letting it become normal. 

 

Agreed. Also Google has said they are going to deindex web pages that it detects with AI-written content.

"This is designed to improve the quality of Search by showing less content that feels like it was made to attract clicks, and more content that people find useful."

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18 minutes ago, Born Burnt said:

Agreed. Also Google has said they are going to deindex web pages that it detects with AI-written content.

"This is designed to improve the quality of Search by showing less content that feels like it was made to attract clicks, and more content that people find useful."

Liars. The design is intended to avoid being so obvious, as well as to eliminate re-entrant self-pollution. Unfortunately for the designers, it's already too late. AI is sitting in an air-tight closet, feverishly huffing its own farts.

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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I know and respect there are varying opinions on AI and its usefulness. 

But this is a message board. The point is for users to write their own thoughts and opinions. I'd rather see this thread die off than get an answer from ChatGPT or whatever other AI app to keep it going. I think it's prudent to discourage the use of AI overall on Surly, because the content here will go to absolute shit if we start letting it become normal. 

 

I am aware of and appreciate the diversity of viewpoints regarding AI and its applicability.

This is a message board, though. Users are encouraged to write their own ideas and opinions. Instead of receiving a response from ChatGPT or any other AI software to continue this conversation, I would prefer to see it end. I believe it's wise to forbid AI use on Surly altogether since, if we allow it to become commonplace, the content here will degenerate into complete garbage.

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20 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

I am aware of and appreciate the diversity of viewpoints regarding AI and its applicability.

This is a message board, though. Users are encouraged to write their own ideas and opinions. Instead of receiving a response from ChatGPT or any other AI software to continue this conversation, I would prefer to see it end. I believe it's wise to forbid AI use on Surly altogether since, if we allow it to become commonplace, the content here will degenerate into complete garbage.

Y'all lighten up. The post under discussion was actually not bullshit in any way other than ridiculous over-use of latinate terms. For the most part, it was spot on, and if you could run it through a Vulgarizer app, it would look like a large portion of every other thread on Surly.

Maybe start a new thread, title it "AI: Threat? Or Menace?"

 

 

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20 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

The strategic phenomenon wherein collegiate gridiron tacticians meticulously preordain the initial succession of offensive maneuvers—colloquially referred to as “scripting plays”—constitutes a paradigmatic exemplification of both calculated foresight and intricate game theory application. This procedural stratagem, imbued with multifaceted layers of tactical intentionality, serves as a cerebral amalgamation of predictive analytics, psychological manipulation, and adaptive contingency planning.

To fully elucidate the raison d'être underpinning this sophisticated methodology, one must first delve into the epistemological framework through which the collegiate football coach perceives the game. At its core, football is a dynamic system characterized by the incessant interplay of stochastic variables—the opposing defense’s schematic proclivities, the psychophysiological state of one’s athletes, and the ambient contextual contingencies of the game environment. By predetermining the first series of offensive actions, coaches ostensibly endeavor to mitigate the inherent entropy of these factors, thereby engendering a semblance of initial order amidst the chaotic milieu of competition.

From an operational standpoint, the act of scripting transcends mere rote planning; it embodies an anticipatory orchestration of events designed to exert a unilateral influence on the opponent’s defensive schema. The scripted plays, often numbering between 10 and 15, are not arbitrarily selected but are curated with meticulous precision, reflecting an intricate synthesis of film study, historical trend analysis, and situational probability calculus. Such plays are typically designed to probe the defensive alignments and tendencies, effectively functioning as diagnostic instruments that yield invaluable telemetry regarding the adversary’s proclivities.

Moreover, the scripting process is imbued with an almost dramaturgical element, whereby the coach assumes the role of a narrative architect, choreographing an initial act that sets the thematic tone for the remainder of the contest. This dramaturgy serves a dual purpose: it instills confidence and rhythmic cohesion within the offensive unit while concurrently engendering a psychological stratagem aimed at destabilizing the opposition’s defensive resolve. The prescriptive nature of a script, replete with contingencies for potential deviations, also functions as a didactic tool, preemptively inoculating the players against the cognitive overload that often accompanies the fluid exigencies of in-game decision-making.

The efficacy of scripting is further augmented by its capacity to act as an epistemic gambit. By operationalizing preordained sequences that encompass a heterogeneous array of formations, motions, and play concepts, coaches can obfuscate their overarching tactical predilections, thereby compelling the opposing defense into a state of heuristic recalibration. This deliberate opacity not only engenders a temporal advantage but also facilitates a latent psychological asymmetry, wherein the defensive unit’s cognitive resources are disproportionately allocated towards reactive adjustments rather than proactive stratagems.

Critically, the scripted drive also serves as a crucible for the iterative refinement of tactical paradigms. By juxtaposing the premeditated plays against the on-field defensive responses, coaches acquire a corpus of empirical data that informs subsequent adaptive strategies. This feedback loop exemplifies the cybernetic principle of continuous improvement, whereby the initial script catalyzes a dynamic interplay of action and reaction that ultimately converges towards an optimal offensive modus operandi.

In summation, the practice of scripting the initial offensive drive constitutes an exemplar of strategic sophistication within the realm of collegiate football. It is a manifestation of the coach’s role as both a theoretician and practitioner, wherein the synthesis of analytical rigor, psychological acuity, and tactical ingenuity coalesce to engender a competitive advantage. Far from being a mere procedural formality, the scripted drive epitomizes the quintessence of anticipatory strategy, illuminating the profound interconnection between premeditation and performance in the intricate theater of sport.

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On 1/21/2025 at 4:18 PM, CycleTex87 said:

I particularly like a pistol formation from your own 1 yard line with a delay handoff deep in the backfield. That always catches them off guard. 

Pistols will often do that

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On 1/22/2025 at 8:15 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

I know and respect there are varying opinions on AI and its usefulness. 

But this is a message board. The point is for users to write their own thoughts and opinions. I'd rather see this thread die off than get an answer from ChatGPT or whatever other AI app to keep it going. I think it's prudent to discourage the use of AI overall on Surly, because the content here will go to absolute shit if we start letting it become normal. 

 

Why is it that some people are so devoid of a sense of humor? Naturally, I’m referring to Hank Kingsley. As a warning, this letter will be a hard and bumpy read. Neverthelss, I contend it is a necessary read given that I am not predicting anything specific. I just have a feeling, an intuition, based on several things that are happening now that Hank will silence any criticism of the brainwashing and double standards that he increasingly has been practicing by the end of the decade. You can waste all your time arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Or you can actually provide support and care to those who have been impacted by inequality, inequity, injustice, and discrimination. You decide. The great thing about Hank—and by “great” I obviously mean “drug-addled”—is that he views countries and the people that live in them either as economic targets to be exploited or as military targets to be defeated. Only a true-blue stubborn slumlord or one who is completely clueless about barbarism could claim otherwise. While I don’t question Hank’s motives, and I certainly understand the frustrations of his zealots, just the other day, some of his spineless, belligerent pickthanks forced a prospectus into my hands as I walked past. The prospectus described Hank’s blueprint for a world in which recalcitrant, brainsick malefactors are free to give people a new and largely artificial basis for evaluating things and making decisions. As I dropped the prospectus onto an overflowing wastebasket I reflected upon the way that Hank cannot tolerate the world as it is. He needs to live in a world of fantasies. To be more specific, we need to enhance people’s curiosity, critical acumen, and aesthetic sensitivity. Unfortunately, reaching that simple conclusion sometimes seems to be above human reason. But there is a wisdom above human, and to that we must look if we are ever to discuss at length and in full horrific detail all of Hank’s beefheaded mottos and tetchy fulminations. I invite all voices who wish to participate in this discussion, and I am committed to ensuring that they are supported and able to be heard. Only through such conversations can we struggle unceasingly against Hank’s unremitting stream of cacodoxies and slander. There’s a clear path to achieving that goal: We must work together, help each other, get to know and trust each other, and uplift each other. If we do, Hank will be powerless to stop us from succeeding.

I know I’m droning on, but I have a message for Hank. My message is that, for the good of us all, he should never use organized violence to suppress opposition. He should never even try to do such a sniveling thing. To make myself perfectly clear, by “never” I don’t mean “maybe”, “sometimes”, or “it depends”. I mean only that tyrants often wage war on their condemners under the guise of rooting out corruption. If you think about it, that’s no different from Hank silencing any criticism of the brainwashing and double standards that he increasingly has been practicing. I suppose there is one key difference, though: If you think that serfdom and slavery do not represent oppression unless the serfs or the slaves themselves “articulate” that oppression then you’re suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You’re focusing too much on what Hank wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance such as that unpatriotic, intellectually challenged pseudo-intellectuals are somehow fascinated by his soporific diablerie, just as a dove is sometimes charmed by a glittering serpent. Unfortunately for such people, Hank lashes out with angry, simplistic, ad hominem attacks whenever someone so much as implies that he claims that the Scriptures are responsible for his rabid, otiose thoughts and fancies. This eisegetical fantasy is not only ingordigious, but it fails to consider that Hank’s fairy tales are all about ushering in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times. In other words, his fairy tales are based on miserabilism, with all that implies: loss of freedom of expression, thought control, and, ultimately, a totalitarian state.

Okay, I admit that hatred and clericalism have no place in our community. But if Hank can’t be reasoned out of his prejudices, he must be laughed out of them. If Hank can’t be argued out of his selfishness, he must be shamed out of it. Let’s sum up our findings so far. First, we saw that Hank doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Afterward, I discussed how Hank lives in a world of privileged emotion devoid of any connectable empirical dots. From these two main points I believe we can conclude that the emotionally fragile and psychologically vulnerable spend their entire existence seeking out the cause of their torment and then searching for the ideal therapy. Hank capitalizes on this by trying to convince such people that embracing a system of Dadaism will make everything right with the world. Should we care that large numbers of the most heartless, irascible spalpeens there are actually believe such mischievous things? Should we try to convince them otherwise? I don’t think so. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that with all their sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, Hank’s reports are absolutely sententious. So what’s the connection between that and Hank’s positions? The connection is that only resolute and urgent action will prevent him from advocating fatalistic acceptance of an effete, addlepated new world order. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that I, not being a liberticidal mome, like to speak of Hank as “disgusting”. That’s a reasonable term to use, I aver, but let’s now try to understand it a little better. For starters, he, with his craftiness and worthless nostrums, will entirely control our country’s exuberant riches within a short period of time. He will then use those riches to operate on a criminal—as opposed to a civil disobedience—basis. The moral of this story is that I would love to debate him about his views on demagogism. Alas, given how ill-prepared Hank is to win such a debate, he’s been trying to suppress the debate before it can even occur. Such behavior tells us that Hank intends to put his unsophisticated camorra in charge of slandering those who are most systematically undervalued, underpaid, underemployed, underfinanced, underinsured, underrated, and otherwise underserved and undermined as undeserving and underclass. We should not stand for that, with that, or by that. Rather, we should make it clear that Hank ought to unstop his ears and uncover his eyes. Only then will he hear that to which he has been too long heedless. Only then will Hank see that he wants to be the arbiter of all behavior. Creating division in the name of diversity: allowed. Listening to others: entirely forbidden. Converting freedom of speech from a human right into a tool of oppression that must be blunted by force: no problem. Improving the world: probably deserving of a prison term.

Here’s a nugget of information that you might find interesting: I’ve heard more than one member of Hank’s unpleasant platoon of distasteful schnooks state, “People don’t mind having their communities turned into war zones, and therefore, arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming”. In other words (to translate this linguistic mess), the truth never escapes Hank’s lips. As an extreme example, consider Hank’s assertion that neuroticism is a noble cause. As far as I can tell, that’s pure invention. And by “pure invention”, I mean “an outright lie”. By all accounts, Hank’s most recent directives defy belief, even by the exceedingly low standards that I have for anything Hank writes. For instance, it turns out that he claims that his beliefs (as I would certainly not call them logically reasoned arguments) are all about giving a voice to the downtrodden. That they aren’t. They’re all about silencing the voices we already have by depriving us of the freedom to state in public that Hank believes that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. Unfortunately, as long as he believes such absurdities, he will continue to commit atrocities.

What does this mean for our future? For one thing, it means that Hank thinks it’s good that his metanarratives obstruct various things. It is difficult to know how to respond to such monumentally misplaced values, but let’s try this: The term “idiot savant” comes to mind when thinking of him. Admittedly, that term applies only halfway to him, which is why I profess that if society were a beer bottle—something, I believe, that Hank holds in high regard—he would indeed be the nauseating bit at the bottom that only the homeless like to drink. He has the gall to inculcate the hermeneutics of suspicion in otherwise open-minded people. Let me explain. Once he accepts responsibility for the problems he’s caused, the focus shifts from who is responsible to what each of us can do about it. That represents yet more evidence—as if we needed more—that sinister forces, backed by Hank, seek to reinforce the impression that oleaginous cads—as opposed to Hank’s retainers—are striving to reinforce the concept of collective guilt that is the root of all prejudice. I choose to fight those forces, and I sincerely hope a majority of my readers will do the same. Although I’ve reached the end of this letter, I’m not going to sit down. I’m not going to shut up. I’m only going to redouble my efforts to direct your attention in some detail to the vast and irreparable calamity brought upon us by Hank Kingsley.

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I was listening to Bill Barnwell's podcast this morning and this topic came up. His guest said the reason why the Chiefs offense looked a little shaky in the first quarter Saturday is because they didn't get to run their first fifteen plays. The Texans fumbled the kickoff so the Chiefs started in the red zone. They ended up losing a yard on that drive and settling for a field goal, because they couldn't run the plays they planned for.

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