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I keep seeing that 4th down strip, scoop, 'n' score by Sawyer as a result of the RT (Williams, was it?) brainless "block" allowing Sawyer to blow right by him...

That one play makes me think the OL is likely not any worse for '25.

Thinking the mere threat of Arch's legs demanding defensive attention absolutely requires one defender not on a receiver or runner. This must certainly be a boost for our offense. Any play that sees Arch heading right instead of dropping back suddenly adds an "ohhhhhh, shit" moment to damn near every defender. One or two of those ZR or at least ZR-looking plays is gonna lay their D's wide open. A couple of Arch runs, a couple of pops, a couple of pitches... damn...

Profit. I see it coming.

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I keep seeing that 4th down strip, scoop, 'n' score by Sawyer as a result of the RT (Williams, was it?) brainless "block" allowing Sawyer to blow right by him...
That one play makes me think the OL is likely not any worse for '25.
Thinking the mere threat of Arch's legs demanding defensive attention absolutely requires one defender not on a receiver or runner. This must certainly be a boost for our offense. Any play that sees Arch heading right instead of dropping back suddenly adds an "ohhhhhh, shit" moment to damn near every defender. One or two of those ZR or at least ZR-looking plays is gonna lay their D's wide open. A couple of Arch runs, a couple of pops, a couple of pitches... damn...
Profit. I see it coming.

That missed block was a result of Williams playing hurt. It just locked up on him there.
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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Who is that front-squatting a billion lbs in the last pic.

Nick Brooks, spotted by Alex January

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46 minutes ago, Red Five said:


That missed block was a result of Williams playing hurt. It just locked up on him there.

Its highly unlikely the OL is a better pass blocking unit, even with Cam and Banks playing hurt/banged up for the back-end of the season (which nobody likes to mention. still wondering Cam's injury, since he didnt compete at the combine). That said I do believe Arch will provide some relief.  I think he instantly upgrades pocket awareness and that has nothing to do with his athleticism. His mistakes will be more along the lines of doing too much. That may balance out the pass pro. Less self-sacks, but worse pass pro. 

I do wish we had a spring game. I am really wondering, if we will see a dramatic change in the offense. The offense has been mostly horizontal the past few years. Run game has been predominantly OZ. Initially it was screen guys and let Bijan find a hole. RB room took a major hit from Bijan, but Texas has played with 2 NFL OTs the last 2 years. It made sense to run outside behind them. I think this year that may change. Interior is projected to be Neto, Hudson, and DJ. That is where all the experience/maturity is on the OL. I think it is highly likely that group is much better moving people. Highly unlikely to be as good as Conner and Jake in pass pro. OT is likely Goosby and Baker. Baker is a freshman, so no idea what he looks like. Goosby looks like a typical dancing bear at LT. He looks great in pass pro but run blocking hasn't been his thing and may never be his call card. I think that may lead to a bigger focus on rushing between the tackles. 

Passing game will likely change. Texas was in the 90th percentile in usage rate on screens and swing routes in the country. The deep crosser and post routes are also staples (missing the post route was definitely a staple in 24). Texas had low usage rates of seams, outs, come backs, go, and curl routes. (tip of the hat to Babers on that information). It has been a heavy dose of short perimeter passing. I think that mix will be significantly different with Arch. He loves to throw deep and you know Sark is jonesing to bring back the vertical passing game. Sarks desire was on full display vs ULM, even he admitted in the post-game presser he called too many deep shots. Everyone knows where Quinn's ADOT was, I would bet a lot of money Arch is not going to be in near the bottom of the league in ADOT

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Posted
1 hour ago, Red Five said:


That missed block was a result of Williams playing hurt. It just locked up on him there.

Seemed to me like he looked at 0 first before turning to Sawyer. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Its highly unlikely the OL is a better pass blocking unit, even with Cam and Banks playing hurt/banged up for the back-end of the season (which nobody likes to mention. still wondering Cam's injury, since he didnt compete at the combine). That said I do believe Arch will provide some relief.  I think he instantly upgrades pocket awareness and that has nothing to do with his athleticism. His mistakes will be more along the lines of doing too much. That may balance out the pass pro. Less self-sacks, but worse pass pro. 

If he can get outside the pocket, or step up into the pocket, he can extend a great many more series with his legs that QE never seemed to have the appetite to do.  

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i agree that the ‘25 offensive line probably won’t be a better pass blocking unit than ‘24. Kelvin Banks was about as good as it gets on the left side. Conner wasn’t a plus starter but he was surprisingly sound In pass sets. Majors was pretty solid in many aspects, he just lacked raw power. Campbell improved to serviceable. Cam when healthy was tough to beat, Georgia was the only team really able to get after him. As a unit they were pretty good, half their sacks were Quinn laying down after his first couple reads were taken away. I think the ‘25 line will look like a better pass blocking until because of teams opting for more contain rushing alignments and Arch avoiding pressure. 

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41 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The mere fact that Manning brings a legitimate running threat to the QB position is going to improve pass blocking even with the losses to the pros.

This is a fact.

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He had a few runs where he was left so unaccounted for that with all the receivers covered and all the rushers handled he "scrambled" for twenty or so. None of those were designed runs, though. Arch is going to have to be spied, and that opens up a receiver or a running back, every. single. play.

I'm still puzzled that we didn't put Arch in any time we got to the ten. Still, 13-3 ain't all that bad a season, and we were the only repeat final four, and we are seriously likely to do it again. 

We should all be gruntled about our situation.

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He had a few runs where he was left so unaccounted for that with all the receivers covered and all the rushers handled he "scrambled" for twenty or so. None of those were designed runs, though. Arch is going to have to be spied, and that opens up a receiver or a running back, every. single. play.
I'm still puzzled that we didn't put Arch in any time we got to the ten. Still, 13-3 ain't all that bad a season, and we were the only repeat final four, and we are seriously likely to do it again. 
We should all be gruntled about our situation.

It’s never been openly publicized by staff or player, but I really think Arch was concussed after he ran for the 1st down. When TV was reviewing for a fumble, they should’ve called “Targeting” from the booth officials. Once Arch stood up he even staggered a little bit, as the hit to his helmet was behind his left ear hole. That will always be my opinion.

RZ 1st and 10 and he wasn’t even looking at going in, which I really think he should’ve been right next to Sark for his package of run or pass plays.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The mere fact that Manning brings a legitimate running threat to the QB position is going to improve pass blocking even with the losses to the pros.

Not Having 2/5 linemen being unable to move people in run game is going to help a ton in the run game. Glad I never have to see Conner doing 360s and looking into the backfield as our RB is TFL. 

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1 hour ago, msucolt45 said:


It’s never been openly publicized by staff or player, but I really think Arch was concussed after he ran for the 1st down. When TV was reviewing for a fumble, they should’ve called “Targeting” from the booth officials. Once Arch stood up he even staggered a little bit, as the hit to his helmet was behind his left ear hole. That will always be my opinion.

RZ 1st and 10 and he wasn’t even looking at going in, which I really think he should’ve been right next to Sark for his package of run or pass plays.

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He was 100% concussed. If you watch the ball on the slo-mo replay of the hit, it comes out as if he dropped it, and it comes out just before he hits the ground,  without being hit by the defender at all. It comes out because Arch's hand went limp, and Arch's hand went limp because he got knocked out. 

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4 hours ago, capnamerca said:

He was 100% concussed. If you watch the ball on the slo-mo replay of the hit, it comes out as if he dropped it, and it comes out just before he hits the ground,  without being hit by the defender at all. It comes out because Arch's hand went limp, and Arch's hand went limp because he got knocked out. 

It's possible it was a concussion but getting hit right behind the ear destroys balance and equilibrium.  Happens almost every MMA fight night.
When that happens, the fighter is pretty much in a daze for a few moments or longer.  
That's not a concussion.  

I don't know if getting hit in that area has the same effect when you're wearing a football helmet but I suspect it does!

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On 3/7/2025 at 2:17 PM, closetojumping said:

The mere fact that Manning brings a legitimate running threat to the QB position is going to improve pass blocking even with the losses to the pros.

I am very interested to see how much Sark lets Arch use his legs vs. protecting him from hits. We know Sark wants his QBs to be pass-first and limit hits but that running ability is a major weapon. Tough balance to find there.

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21 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I am very interested to see how much Sark lets Arch use his legs vs. protecting him from hits. We know Sark wants his QBs to be pass-first and limit hits but that running ability is a major weapon. Tough balance to find there.

Not to Ehlinger extremes, but I think there has to be enough QB run game to make play action an effective threat, and the horizontal game has to have a pitch-pop-run option with QB keeping enough to spread the D wide. Both ways, the QB run absolutely needs to happen at least a couple of times a quarter to keep it fresh in the Ds' minds. 

I would think, with Sark's gift - and love - for misdirection, we'll see some formations with no real possibility of the QB running... and he'll run. I think Herman called it "go fuck yourself", but Sark is classier than that, and will probably call it "DAMMIT!"

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6 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Not to Ehlinger extremes, but I think there has to be enough QB run game to make play action an effective threat, and the horizontal game has to have a pitch-pop-run option with QB keeping enough to spread the D wide. Both ways, the QB run absolutely needs to happen at least a couple of times a quarter to keep it fresh in the Ds' minds. 

I would think, with Sark's gift - and love - for misdirection, we'll see some formations with no real possibility of the QB running... and he'll run. I think Herman called it "go fuck yourself", but Sark is classier than that, and will probably call it "DAMMIT!"

I would anticipate that the vast majority of Manning's run plays will be from off schedule scrambles. When we get into big games I am sure he will bring out some QB run package, but I doubt he does it any other time. You don't want to potato Arch against someone like Mississippi State for no real reason. 

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1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

Clark tore his Achilles in August. I’d have to think he won’t be full go for Spring. 

I think there was a post or a live from OTF that stated he'll participate in some drills but will be limited. I assume he'll do certain non-contact stuff. Seems ahead of schedule....also it feels like Baxter's injury was a lot more serious and work needed to be done to his knee.

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6 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I would anticipate that the vast majority of Manning's run plays will be from off schedule scrambles. When we get into big games I am sure he will bring out some QB run package, but I doubt he does it any other time. You don't want to potato Arch against someone like Mississippi State for no real reason. 

Scrambles will be part of it, certainly. I'm not looking for a "package" so much as adding a run element to the tried-and-true plays. A couple of runs a quarter is one out of about every eight plays total. Ending the run with a slide or a step out of bounds needs to be drilled into Arch's head.

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16 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I would anticipate that the vast majority of Manning's run plays will be from off schedule scrambles. When we get into big games I am sure he will bring out some QB run package, but I doubt he does it any other time. You don't want to potato Arch against someone like Mississippi State for no real reason. 

I think there will be more run options with the RPO than with Quinn and that's what his packages for running will be. We also will have a more vertical traditional Sark offense IMO than the east/west style we had with Quinn. I just want to see easy 1st downs come from a QB with the ability to run. Extending drives that way is the key to success and better offense.

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On 3/7/2025 at 10:12 AM, Red Five said:

Who is that front-squatting a billion lbs in the last pic.

Holly balls. That’s a 405# front squat.

#strongallday🤘🏻

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On 3/10/2025 at 10:44 AM, Tex Long said:

 A couple of runs a quarter is one out of about every eight plays total. 

On 3/10/2025 at 10:45 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

 I just want to see easy 1st downs come from a QB with the ability to run. Extending drives that way is the key to success and better offense.

 

I'd like to see Trey and KJ developmentally, not because we didn't have better ways to get easy 1st downs or sustain every drive without a designed run from Arch... just begging for whammys!

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On 3/10/2025 at 10:44 AM, Tex Long said:

Scrambles will be part of it, certainly. I'm not looking for a "package" so much as adding a run element to the tried-and-true plays. A couple of runs a quarter is one out of about every eight plays total. Ending the run with a slide or a step out of bounds needs to be drilled into Arch's head.

I can foresee a pump fake WR screen QB draw once every few games 

Or even better: a play action, fake WR screen right, spin a roonie, fake TE screen left, QB draw.

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On 3/10/2025 at 1:44 PM, Tex Long said:

Scrambles will be part of it, certainly. I'm not looking for a "package" so much as adding a run element to the tried-and-true plays. A couple of runs a quarter is one out of about every eight plays total. Ending the run with a slide or a step out of bounds needs to be drilled into Arch's head.

Its going to be 0-1 called runs for the vast majority of the schedule. I could see 4-8 in playoff/conference champ type games. That may be me projecting my wishes on Sark.

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43 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It’s going to be 0-1 called runs for the vast majority of the schedule. I could see 4-8 in playoff/conference champ type games. That may be me projecting my wishes on Sark.

I think this is right. Jake Locker is the only real precedent for a dual threat in a Sark offense. He had 226 attempts / 776 yard / 13 TD over 24 games, which will include sacks and scrambles. I’d also imagine those UW would give up more pressures (and thus sacks/scrambles) and be in more games that required Sark to use Locker’s legs. So, I’m guessing something like 80/300/5 for Arch this year. 

The wild card could be if QB run becomes a staple of the red zone offense or if we decide to become a QB sneak team.

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