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9 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Arch's 60 yard scramble vs. UTSA will probably end up being the longest of his career at Texas. Vince was good for one of those every other game or so. 

Vince broke off a 60 yarder every other game? 

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He was such a great athlete that there is no mold to mimic. I’m so glad that I got to witness his efforts during my adult years, so the memories will always be so vivid.

Being robbed of the Heisman his last year was just icing on the cake and the drive for the Horns beating USC in the Rose Bowl.

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Lol Vince covered like 5 yards with one step after he hit full speed which usually only took 2 or 3 steps. 
He glided at warp speed. 

So correct as it seemed as if VY “glided” down the field. It’s almost like in slo-mo, no feet are on the ground.

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5 hours ago, tbone_ said:

 

What a great compliation of VY greatness.  Thank you!!

I remember watching those games but looking at everything 20 years later, he was truly a man among boys.  He throwing motion was shit but GOT DAMN he usually found his receiver. Too bad Jeff "the shit" Fisher fucked him up in the NFL.  I watched him here in Nashville and there was so much potential.  If he would have gone to any other team he probably would have been in the NFL twice as long or more.  Oh yeah, FUCK Jeff Fisher💩

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My God!...we are discussing Manning and his ungodly potential.....and then saying....well....he isnt as good as Vince!....Like who is?...I will take "almost as good as Vince" any day.

 

 

"we couldn't stop the quarterback"...Pete Carrol ( after game interview)

"we couldnt stop the quarterback"....Matt Leinart(after game interview)

 

and as for the thought Vince's throwing motion was shit....he could sure throw the damned ball a hell of a long way with AMAZING accuracy.....time after time after time.....

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Tebow is the most overrated player in the history of football

He was a Hell of a college QB and competitor. It didn’t translate into his NFL years, but what he did at Florida was awesome. Most teams/schools would sacrifice something in order to have the success that the Gators had under Tebow.

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My God!...we are discussing Manning and his ungodly potential.....and then saying....well....he isnt as good as Vince!....Like who is?...I will take "almost as good as Vince" any day.
 
 
"we couldn't stop the quarterback"...Pete Carrol ( after game interview)
"we couldnt stop the quarterback"....Matt Leinart(after game interview)
 
and as for the thought Vince's throwing motion was shit....he could sure throw the damned ball a hell of a long way with AMAZING accuracy.....time after time after time.....

Well…yeah. He was the #1 rated passer in the country his last season here.
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11 hours ago, scottsins said:


Well…yeah. He was the #1 rated passer in the country his last season here.

He was 3rd in Passing Efficiency behind Rudy Carpenter (asu) and Brian Brohm (Louisville). 

VY is arguably the best CFB player ever, but more of a playmaker than a pure QB. It would have been great to see VY play in today's NFL, where offensive coordinators would have tailored the offense to his game better. Vince rushed 167 and 155 times in his last 2 seasons. He averaged 14 attempts per game as a Soph and 12 as a Junior (17 att or more in 4 games). Arch is passer first. He is a QB with the ability to run. Arch is not as good of a runner as VY and Sark is not going to use his legs like that. They are just different players. 

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31 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

He was 3rd in Passing Efficiency behind Rudy Carpenter (asu) and Brian Brohm (Louisville). 

VY is arguably the best CFB player ever, but more of a playmaker than a pure QB. It would have been great to see VY play in today's NFL, where offensive coordinators would have tailored the offense to his game better. Vince rushed 167 and 155 times in his last 2 seasons. He averaged 14 attempts per game as a Soph and 12 as a Junior (17 att or more in 4 games). Arch is passer first. He is a QB with the ability to run. Arch is not as good of a runner as VY and Sark is not going to use his legs like that. They are just different players. 

A lot of QBs from the late 90s to early 2010s in modern NFL probably could have fared a lot better.

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On 3/15/2025 at 1:11 AM, Hookem10 said:

now that the Quinn wars are dying out, we have a new war on the horizon. who's faster VY or ARCH. the responses will be heard round the internet. speed wars have begun

 

How is Teddy Lehman not part of this conversation?

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Bobby Burton

 

Before we get going with spring practice, I always like to make a note of any preconceptions we have about the team heading into spring ball, so that we can circle bak after spring ball and the regular season to gauge whether the info we received and interpolated actually mesh with the outcome. Or if there are straight up misses.

Some preconceived notions about this team to monitor:

- Texas will be a more downfield passing attack in 2025 led by Arch Manning. There will be more play-action, more QB run game (even if we're merely talking about the threat of the run game).

- Texas will utilize QB run in the red zone and pass more over the middle of the field in the red zone with Manning.

- Texas will utilize more play-action passing with Manning and perhaps less horizontal passing game.

- The Texas offensive line will be able to run the ball more effectively up the middle with a different group of players at G-C-G.

- Ryan Wingo is expected to make a big leap in year two.

- Jordan Washington is expected to be the next big-time TE for the Horns but with some help from young TEs like Nick Townsend and Emaree Winston. Are we not talking enough about the abilities of Spencer Shannon as a key in-line piece?

- The Texas pass rush should be even better than 2024.

- The Texas run defense is a major question mark given the losses up the middle of both 2023 and 2024.

- The Texas linebackers are expected to be the best group the Horns have had overall in years.

- Kobe Black and Jaylon Guilbeau are expected to battle for the starting corner spot opposite Manny Muhammad (is Warren Roberson too much of an after thought currently?).

- Is Parker Livingstone genuinely the next receiver up, following Wingo and Moore? Or will one of the four new receivers break through and perhaps surpass him?

But I wanted to get these written down so we can track some of them during spring ball and the regular season. Let me know if there are others you are thinking of and I'm somehow neglecting to mention.

One note: I did not mention much about the true freshman. I want to tackle that topic, and their expectations, separately.

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Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, markstanco said:

- The vertical passing game will be better

- The run game up the middle will be better

- The QB run will be better

- The pass rush will be better

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You missed an important cliff note:

- Best LB group in well, ages.

I think that particularly important and I like to believe accurate. Its important, IMO, given the losses in secondary. Particularly relating to a very specific play, screens. We destroyed screens defensively last year and many SEC OCs deploy them regularly to open inside run. 

Not sure what any of that has to do with Arch, but yeah.

I also firmly believe we will all finally see Sark's "full" offensive game plan. A legit deep ball threat combined with QB mobility completely changes what he can do in this offense and with these players. That is directly connected to Arch to, ya know, not completely derail the thread. 

If we have a RB elevate to, not Bijan but, really good SEC RB level performance... well.. we will be in a very good place.  I do think both the deep threat and QB mobility/threat of run will greatly impact the RB room's ability become that "really good/SEC level RB". Should we have a Bijan level or similar level RB emerge... well...

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Posted
56 minutes ago, Red Five said:


And Butler is with the ones with Moore out.

Eventual starters will be Wingo, Moore, and unnamed portal dude.

I'm not sure if we will go to the portal post spring, especially if one of the 5 star freshmen look the part.

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I'm not sure if we will go to the portal post spring, especially if one of the 5 star freshmen look the part.

They would have to really like what they’re seeing from Livingstone and Butler. We would be two injuries away from having no one who has caught a pass in college.
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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Red Five said:


They would have to really like what they’re seeing from Livingstone and Butler. We would be two injuries away from having no one who has caught a pass in college.

This. I think they entertain it at TE too if there are some proven players available, highly proven, junior/senior level only. One and done for draft type TE, which I dont see out there. 

But back to WR, yeah, right player, 6'0-4" 4.4 190-220 with proven strong hands and good route runner would really complement our youth and help Arch tremendously by being a reliable option early season.

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23 minutes ago, Red Five said:


They would have to really like what they’re seeing from Livingstone and Butler. We would be two injuries away from having no one who has caught a pass in college.

Does it matter? Clemson's best two receivers last year were true freshmen. I won't throw in guys like Smith or Williams but receiver is the easiest position to go from HS to college and make an impact.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas will utilize more play-action passing with Manning and perhaps less horizontal passing game.

Hallefuckinglujah 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The Texas offensive line will be able to run the ball more effectively up the middle with a different group of players at G-C-G.

I would think this is mostly dependant on the RB situation, no?

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The Texas pass rush should be even better than 2024.

- The Texas run defense is a major question mark given the losses up the middle of both 2023 and 2024.

Kind of a chicken or the egg situation, but getting teams in obvious passing situations, which is in large part predicated on stopping the run, must happen. No pass rush on 2nd and med-short will worth a damn. 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Kobe Black and Jaylon Guilbeau are expected to battle for the starting corner spot opposite Manny Muhammad (is Warren Roberson too much of an after thought currently?).

It was mentioned on OTF that the coaches really wanted to get Jelanie Mcdonald on the field. So I get why they'd adjust shift Jaylon over. What's the word on Wardell Mack? I don't think we saw him much last season, and would've thought he'd be in the mix for the field corner position. 

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Just now, BigHorn'13 said:

I would think this is mostly dependant on the RB situation, no?

Hayden Conner and Jake Majors get no push on the interior of the line IMO. Hayden's patented 360 no scope looking for someone to block and end up looking into the backfield as our RB's are TFL will no longer be a thing.

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Bobby Burton

 

What are reasonable expectations of the incoming freshmen?

And by expectations, I'm talking about their potential mixing with their ability to take college coaching and strength and conditioning, along with their health and overall opportunity at the position. There are a lot of factors at play when it comes to expectations.

Here's what I'm thinking on each of the 22 new enrollees before they start their first spring practice.

Quarterback

KJ Lacey - the fall expectations of a redshirt season are obvious with both Arch Manning and Trey Owens ahead of him. Yet we've heard some very positive reports on Lacey. Some could see a battle in the offing with Owens for the back-up spot. But, at least this point, I do not expect Lacey to unseat Owens in part because folks behind the scenes seem to be very high on Owens himself.

Running back

James Simon - there's an open spot right now for a bigger back to carry the load on interior run plays. Could that be Simon? Or is it more likely Jerrick Gibson filling that role until Ced Baxter returns? Odds are that Gibson wins the job, but I don't think that's a given by any stretch.

Rickey Stewart - at least for now, expectations are that Simon might be ahead of fellow freshman Ricky Stewart because of the type of inside runner Simon is. But Stewart has some quickness to him that may allow him to see the field on special teams, like Tre Wisner did his freshman year. Stewart could also be groomed for the role as a receiving threat out of the backfield, similar to both Keilan Robinson and Jaydon Blue.

Wide receivers

Jamie Ffrench, Kaliq Lockett, Daylan McCutcheon, Michael Terry - the differences between the receivers, at least out of the gate, will likely come down to as much mental as physical for three of the four receivers in the class. French could be more of a punt or kick returner than the others. But I truly have weighted expectations for both Ffrench and Lockett beyond those of McCutheon. That being said, McCutcheon has gained some steam behind the scenes, perhaps because of his uptake of the offense itself and the system he ran in high school. Terry is the outlier because of his physical size - he's the only one already well above the 200-pound mark. How adaptive he is to style of play, the offense, while finding a future position, is up the air and thus makes it hard to really know much before the team starts truly practicing.

Tight end

Emaree Winston - Whether right or wrong, Nick Townsend, who won't enroll until summer, received the lion's share of attention at the position in this recruiting class. However, we've been told that Winston has been somewhat quietly impressive behind the scenes. Will he be impressive enough to hold off Townsend when he arrives? Is he just plain good enough to be a future pro? Fair questions without any definitive answers quite yet.

Offensive line

Nick Brooks - Brooks impressed folks almost immediately upon arrival. He's already reshaping his body and his size is perhaps one of those rare instances where he was actually bigger than listed. He could be a fast riser in this class. But we need to see how he performs this spring.

Jackson Christian - one of the quieter level of expectations for now. Christian is expected to get a try at guard, but there is a significant catch-up phase to those ahead of him physically in the classes ahead of him. Perhaps that changes when the pads come on.

Defensive end

Smith Orogbo - expected to miss some of spring while recovering from surgery.

Lance Jackson - Jackson is as athletically and physically gifted as any player in this recruiting class. But the question is: how good and how productive of a player will he be out of the gate? In other words, is he ready for the big time? Right now, that is a fair question and we don't know the answer. I lean toward needing at least one full year of seasoning given the older players at the position.

Defensive tackle

Justus Terry, Myron Charles, Josiah Sharma - according to several folks behind the scenes, Terry has been one of the most impressive athletes in the entire class. But he's also lighter than his counterparts. Sharma tipped the scales right at 345 just a week or so ago. Charles is in better shape perhaps than initially expected. If Texas gets anything out of these defensive tackles early in their careers, it will be a pleasant surprise. If one of them really stands out, we could be talking about a future star.

Linebackers

Elijah Barnes, Jonathan Cunningham - Barnes has trimmed some weight since arriving on campus yet continues to test well. Both he and Cunningham are tailor-made for duty on special teams as true freshmen. Cunningham could certainly fill a Mo Blackwell-type of special teams role early in his career.

Defensive backs

Graceson Littleton, Caleb Chester, Kade Phillips, Zelus Hicks, Jonah Williams - this could be as talented a group as Texas has recruited in quite some time. Littleton has received some praise behind the scenes, as has Hicks, whose size is more imposing than perhaps you would have thought in recruiting and given that he graduated an entire year-and-a-half early from high school. Phillips may be the most likely to earn a special teams role. And if either he, Chester or Littleton show elite coverage skills early, one of them could contend with Kobe Black, Jaylon Guilbeau and Warren Roberson for a starting corner spot.

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