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30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

everyone in the room that day knew what they saw

mcclelland died in 19

i heard him speak in 12

he never wavered from his (ignored) testimony to the warren sham: https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_McClelland.pdf

his wiki has been whitewashed in the past several years - it's now barren - memory holed

his interview in the english itv 87 production the men who killed kennedy was the exact same thing he said in his testimony and when i heard him speak 25 years later

there is a doc on para+ "what the doctors saw"

https://www.paramountplus.com/movies/video/doxrtMleUunO9_I87rGW_oDERuAcb6xU/

Dr. Robert Nelson McClelland was born on November 20, 1929, in Gilmer, Texas. His father, Robert, was a butcher, and his mother, Verna McClelland née Nelson, worked for a federal relief agency. He graduated from University of Texas at Austin in 1950 and University of Texas Medical Branch in 1954.

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McClelland was one of our attendings as well. Carrico told us the story one day after rounds, 4 students an intern and junior resident. Very matter of fact. Did not have an opinion on who did it or why etc, just absolutely sure the bullet was from the front

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3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

His name was "DiMaggio" and he played for the NY Yankees. You think he couldn't just call up Sam Giancana any time he wanted?

Giancana was the Chicago mafia... they ain't helping no Yankee.

If you're gonna be paint my people with the same brush, at least have the common curtesy to label us correctly.

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Giancana was the Chicago mafia... they ain't helping no Yankee.

If you're gonna be paint my people with the same brush, at least have the common curtesy to label us correctly.

Yeah, but the other 2 who were implicated were Santo Trafficante of the Florida mob and Carlos Marcello of New Orleans. So Giancana was the closest thing, and at least they had a baseball team the Yankees played against.

And, everyone knows all Italians are mafiosos and know each other anyway

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Do you think he included MLK to appear like he cares about finding justice for his assassination, or is he trying to clear James Earl Ray once and for all?

Just kidding. He doesn't have the slightest clue--or care--who James Earl Ray is.

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Of the three I think that the MLK FBI files could be the most interesting. Maybe we get more insights into the absolutely vile and disgusting shit that the FBI did to MLK. 

Malcolm X would've been great, too. 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

My attending for MS3 surgery rotation was James Carrico. He was one of the first people to see Kennedy on arrival and was in the trauma code throughout.  He stood firm that the bullet entered JFK’s anterior neck below the larynx and exited the top/ back of his head. 
 

His hand written ER note 

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Said tracheostomy obliterated the entry wound. 
 

as soon as time of death was called they bagged the body and took off to DC. None of the Parkland Docs got to do even cursory post mortem 

I used to know someone who worked at Parkland, and knew a lot of the doctors and staff who were there that day. They all knew the kill shot came from the front and exited out the back of his head. There wasn't even a debate about it. 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

McClelland was one of our attendings as well. Carrico told us the story one day after rounds, 4 students an intern and junior resident. Very matter of fact. Did not have an opinion on who did it or why etc, just absolutely sure the bullet was from the front

one of the bullets from the front

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Pre-covid, I took my parents and family on a 2 week road trip to the northeast.  One of the places dad wanted to see was the Air Force museum in Dayton.  The Air Force One that carried Kennedy's casket back to DC is one of the exhibits.   They actually had to take a saw to a partition on the inside of the plane to get the casket inside.  Bottom pic is where the cut was made; the partition is wider at the bottom.  The saw marks were covered up with some silver metal trim afterwards.

 

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Ms. Francisco and Dad:

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And the interior picture where the cut was made.  Not my pic; I thought I had taken one of this, but alas.  Pic courtesy of the Air Force museum website:

 

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30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

one of the bullets from the front

Hagbard, do you think that the existing redactions get at this stuff? I don't. I am legit curious as to what you think the remaining redactions are related to. I don't think any of the JFK stuff has anything to do with the actual assassination. 

 

The MLK stuff is going to be really fucked up though. I feel pretty good on that. Cause well, you know.  

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Pre-covid, I took my parents and family on a 2 week road trip to the northeast.  One of the places dad wanted to see was the Air Force museum in Dayton.  The Air Force One that carried Kennedy's casket back to DC is one of the exhibits.   They actually had to take a saw to a partition on the inside of the plane to get the casket inside.  Bottom pic is where the cut was made; the partition is wider at the bottom.  The saw marks were covered up with some silver metal trim afterwards.

 

Francisco Jr.

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Ms. Francisco and Dad:

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And the interior picture where the cut was made.  Not my pic; I thought I had taken one of this, but alas.  Pic courtesy of the Air Force museum website:

 

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That's one of the best museums I've ever been to. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't gone. It does mean going to Dayton though, which is less than ideal..

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9 hours ago, safe sex said:

That's one of the best museums I've ever been to. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't gone. It does mean going to Dayton though, which is less than ideal..

When Holbrooke had to find a place worse than war-torn 1990s Yugoslavia  to force the Bosnians, Serbs, and Croats to make a peace deal so they could leave, he made them all go to Dayton. 

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Thirded. I did consulting at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton so I’ve been to that museum a half dozen times. It’s fantastic.

It is second only to NASM. I’ve been a few times, each time better than the last because they really are actively improving it all the time, adding/refreshing exhibits, etc.

The best was I got snowed into Dayton for work once but the museum was open. I learned it takes about three days to do it properly. It’s gigantic.

The only shame is you can no longer get to see the storage/restoration facilities anymore. That was a treat back in the day.
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Not exactly a hot take, but I believe the most likely reality is that:

0) The CIA was in a chaotic semi-mutiny following the firing of Allen Dulles and many of the old guard, Ivy League OSS leadership by Kennedy following the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Dulles was succeeded by military industrialist and nuclear regulator, Californian John McCone who was unable to manage or redirect the organization.

1) The assassination was orchestrated by an element in the CIA that was outside of the control of McCone and went rogue in connection with Cuba policy and contracted with the mob for additional shooters. 
2) JFK was shot from the overpass by one of a team of 3-4 shooters 
3) Oswald was a long-time CIA sleeper asset that happened to be ideally situated to be a patsy, but his availability for that purpose was largely an artifact of the circumstances.
4) Dulles used the Warren Commission to cover up agency involvement and the old guard was restored under Helms, and remained so until it was finally disassembled by George HW Bush, who more or less brought the agency under the control of the executive branch and White House.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not exactly a hot take, but I believe the most likely reality is that:

0) The CIA was in a chaotic semi-mutiny following the firing of Allen Dulles and many of the old guard, Ivy League OSS leadership by Kennedy following the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Dulles was succeeded by military industrialist and nuclear regulator, Californian John McCone who was unable to manage or redirect the organization.

1) The assassination was orchestrated by an element in the CIA that was outside of the control of McCone and went rogue in connection with Cuba policy and contracted with the mob for additional shooters. 
2) JFK was shot from the overpass by one of a team of 3-4 shooters 
3) Oswald was a long-time CIA sleeper asset that happened to be ideally situated to be a patsy, but his availability for that purpose was largely an artifact of the circumstances.
4) Dulles used the Warren Commission to cover up agency involvement and the old guard was restored under Helms, and remained so until it was finally disassembled by George HW Bush, who more or less brought the agency under the control of the executive branch and White House.

Been nice knowing you.

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This video shows what happens when a bullet goes through the brain. This is why the bullet had to come from behind. The shock wave built up passing through  Kennedy's brain blew out the front right of his head on to Connally, which is why he thought he had been shot a second time. At first he thought Kennedy's blood and brains were his own.

 

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20 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It was New Orleans' own Carlos Marcello.  Maybe with some aidin' and abettin' by Tampa's Santo Trafficante.

CSB, my father in law dated a Marcello before he married my MIL.  The broke up once one of the brothers told him it would be a bad idea to keep seeing her.

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My FIL was on the FBI Chicago mob task force and served a search warrant on one of Giancanna’s crew. He took and kept a framed photo of the whole family including Sam as a souvenir that still hangs in his home office. All the mob guys and FBI agents fucked with each other like that. He even told the guy “I’m taking this just because I want it.”

 

Not doxxing him because I did on shaggy a decade ago and I show up at dinner and he says “how's it going, BearSchlong?” That just about gave me a heart attack, mainly because lots of my posts back then we're highly descriptive of my acrobatic carnal adventures with his daughter.

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7 hours ago, safe sex said:

The WASP exhibit was either getting worked on or switched out when I was there, which was a bummer. But as an LBJ nerd, it was beyond cool to get to walk through Air Force One and see the spot where Lyndon successfully completed his coup. 

Off topic but the wife and I went to the LBJ Library last year and man it's really a fantastic museum. 

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I fail to see why the JFK and RFK releases matter, when the Rolling Stones long ago clearly revealed the culprits in their killings -- after all, it was you and me.

Yea but those guys also told me that sometimes I will find I get what I need. 

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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

do we want to let this thread go quiet or keep going?

Keep going, of course. Appears that there will be a couple different phases to the plan and then information hopefully coming out. Just be careful because apparently if you are interested in seeing or discussing this information you are clearly just a gluttonous consumer of russia state media. 

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10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not exactly a hot take, but I believe the most likely reality is that:

0) The CIA was in a chaotic semi-mutiny following the firing of Allen Dulles and many of the old guard, Ivy League OSS leadership by Kennedy following the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Dulles was succeeded by military industrialist and nuclear regulator, Californian John McCone who was unable to manage or redirect the organization.

1) The assassination was orchestrated by an element in the CIA that was outside of the control of McCone and went rogue in connection with Cuba policy and contracted with the mob for additional shooters. 
2) JFK was shot from the overpass by one of a team of 3-4 shooters 
3) Oswald was a long-time CIA sleeper asset that happened to be ideally situated to be a patsy, but his availability for that purpose was largely an artifact of the circumstances.
4) Dulles used the Warren Commission to cover up agency involvement and the old guard was restored under Helms, and remained so until it was finally disassembled by George HW Bush, who more or less brought the agency under the control of the executive branch and White House.

I don't think that any of this gets proved up by the information that may be released. But I appreciate you putting this out there for discussion. Do you think that there was any foreign entity involvement? 

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On 1/23/2025 at 8:20 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Love that scene so much, along with the one in Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada.

He reminds me of some of my kin, also from Arkansas.

Three burials is a fantastic movie 

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I don't think that any of this gets proved up by the information that may be released. But I appreciate you putting this out there for discussion. Do you think that there was any foreign entity involvement? 

I don’t think a foreign government or agency of one was a party to the assassination, because that seems … messy?  But for that matter I don’t think it’s accurate to say  “the government” or “the CIA” killed Kennedy. I think some extremely bad  people did, with complex personal and political motivations. 

It does seem possible that once the adults in the room realized what had happened they would have engaged their Soviet counterparts to assist with the clean up and avoid any dangerous misunderstandings, given Oswald’s background.

A lot of this has to do with how I think about “conspiracies,” essentially,  that the larger the conspiracy needs to be, the less likely is. In my scenario above, only about 8-10 people would need to know what’s going to happen, and only 2-3 would really need to understand the moving parts. In other words, it’s less a conspiracy and more of a plan. The “conspiracy” in my scenario is the cover up after the fact, but that could have been accomplished with exactly the kind of official obscurity that the CIA under Dulles and and his lieutenants specialized in, led by Dulles and his lieutenants.

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21 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I think it was LHO.  Not a big believer in big conspiracy theories. 

Do you think there has never been a successful conspiracy and coverup ever? I think you’d have to because if there ever has been one, this seems like the most likely one. 

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t think a foreign government or agency of one was a party to the assassination, because that seems … messy?  But for that matter I don’t think it’s accurate to say  “the government” or “the CIA” killed Kennedy. I think some extremely bad  people did, with complex personal and political motivations. 

It does seem possible that once the adults in the room realized what had happened they would have engaged their Soviet counterparts to assist with the clean up and avoid any dangerous misunderstandings, given Oswald’s background.

A lot of this has to do with how I think about “conspiracies,” essentially,  that the larger the conspiracy needs to be, the less likely is. In my scenario above, only about 8-10 people would need to know what’s going to happen, and only 2-3 would really need to understand the moving parts. In other words, it’s less a conspiracy and more of a plan. The “conspiracy” in my scenario is the cover up after the fact, but that could have been accomplished with exactly the kind of official obscurity that the CIA under Dulles and and his lieutenants specialized in, led by Dulles and his lieutenants.

I’m only going on what one of the most highly respected surgeons in the country, who was also one of my favorite teachers, told me of his first person witness account. And not just his recollection 30 years later, but corroborated by his contemporaneous hand written description of the trauma code.
 

This is a trauma team that handled as many GSWs as anywhere but a MASH unit. If he (they) said the neck wound was an entry wound, I believe it. The fact that no post mortem was allowed (the Dallas medical examiner was physically restrained from even a cursory examination of the body) doesn’t help. 

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19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I fail to see why the JFK and RFK releases matter, when the Rolling Stones long ago clearly revealed the culprits in their killings -- after all, it was you and me.

I'm innocent. I was just waiting on a friend. 

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On 1/23/2025 at 1:22 PM, Anastasis said:

Executive order signed today. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/declassification-of-records-concerning-the-assassinations-of-president-john-f-kenned/

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1.  Policy and Purpose.  More than 50 years after the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the Federal Government has not released to the public all of its records related to those events.  Their families and the American people deserve transparency and truth.  It is in the national interest to finally release all records related to these assassinations without delay.

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 required all records related to the assassination of President Kennedy to be publicly disclosed in full by October 26, 2017, unless the President certifies that:  (i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and (ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.  President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, section 5(g)(2)(D), Public Law 102-526, 106 Stat. 3443, 3448–49, codified at 44 U.S.C. 2107 note.

I previously accepted proposed redactions from executive departments and agencies (agencies) in 2017 and 2018, but ordered the continued re-evaluation of those remaining redactions.  See Temporary Certification for Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 82 Fed. Reg. 50,307–08 (Oct. 31, 2017); Certification for Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 83 Fed. Reg. 19, 157–58 (Apr. 26, 2018).  In the Presidential Memorandum of April 26, 2018, I also ordered agencies to re-review each of those redactions over the next 3 years and disclose information that no longer warrants continued withholding under the standard set forth in section 5(g)(2)(D) of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

President Biden issued subsequent certifications with respect to these records in 2021, 2022, and 2023, which gave agencies additional time to review the records and withhold information from public disclosure.  See Temporary Certification Regarding Disclosure of Information in Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 86 Fed. Reg. 59,599 (Oct. 22, 2021); Certifications Regarding Disclosure of Information in Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 87 Fed. Reg. 77,967 (Dec. 15, 2022); Certification Regarding Disclosure of Information in Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, 88 Fed. Reg. 43,247 (June 30, 2023).

I have now determined that the continued redaction and withholding of information from records pertaining to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is not consistent with the public interest and the release of these records is long overdue.  And although no Act of Congress directs the release of information pertaining to the assassinations of Senator Robert F. Kennedy and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I have determined that the release of all records in the Federal Government’s possession pertaining to each of those assassinations is also in the public interest.

     Sec. 2.  Declassification and Disclosure.  (a)  Within 15 days of the date of this order, the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General shall, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs and the Counsel to the President, present a plan to the President for the full and complete release of records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

     (b)  Within 45 days of the date of this order, the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General shall, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs and the Counsel to the President, review records related to the assassinations of Senator Robert F. Kennedy and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and present a plan to the President for the full and complete release of these records.

     Sec. 3.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

     (b)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

     (c)  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

    January 23, 2025.

He referred to Biden as the President. Trump is another cuck that admits Biden won in 2020.

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