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Declassification of JFK, RFK, and MLK Assassination Files


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30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

everyone in the room that day knew what they saw

mcclelland died in 19

i heard him speak in 12

he never wavered from his (ignored) testimony to the warren sham: https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_McClelland.pdf

his wiki has been whitewashed in the past several years - it's now barren - memory holed

his interview in the english itv 87 production the men who killed kennedy was the exact same thing he said in his testimony and when i heard him speak 25 years later

there is a doc on para+ "what the doctors saw"

https://www.paramountplus.com/movies/video/doxrtMleUunO9_I87rGW_oDERuAcb6xU/

Dr. Robert Nelson McClelland was born on November 20, 1929, in Gilmer, Texas. His father, Robert, was a butcher, and his mother, Verna McClelland née Nelson, worked for a federal relief agency. He graduated from University of Texas at Austin in 1950 and University of Texas Medical Branch in 1954.

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McClelland was one of our attendings as well. Carrico told us the story one day after rounds, 4 students an intern and junior resident. Very matter of fact. Did not have an opinion on who did it or why etc, just absolutely sure the bullet was from the front

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3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

His name was "DiMaggio" and he played for the NY Yankees. You think he couldn't just call up Sam Giancana any time he wanted?

Giancana was the Chicago mafia... they ain't helping no Yankee.

If you're gonna be paint my people with the same brush, at least have the common curtesy to label us correctly.

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Giancana was the Chicago mafia... they ain't helping no Yankee.

If you're gonna be paint my people with the same brush, at least have the common curtesy to label us correctly.

Yeah, but the other 2 who were implicated were Santo Trafficante of the Florida mob and Carlos Marcello of New Orleans. So Giancana was the closest thing, and at least they had a baseball team the Yankees played against.

And, everyone knows all Italians are mafiosos and know each other anyway

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Do you think he included MLK to appear like he cares about finding justice for his assassination, or is he trying to clear James Earl Ray once and for all?

Just kidding. He doesn't have the slightest clue--or care--who James Earl Ray is.

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Of the three I think that the MLK FBI files could be the most interesting. Maybe we get more insights into the absolutely vile and disgusting shit that the FBI did to MLK. 

Malcolm X would've been great, too. 

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20 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

His name was "DiMaggio" and he played for the NY Yankees. You think he couldn't just call up Sam Giancana any time he wanted?

Maybe it was his brother who made the call. Tired of the Yankees having all the fun.

 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

My attending for MS3 surgery rotation was James Carrico. He was one of the first people to see Kennedy on arrival and was in the trauma code throughout.  He stood firm that the bullet entered JFK’s anterior neck below the larynx and exited the top/ back of his head. 
 

His hand written ER note 

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Said tracheostomy obliterated the entry wound. 
 

as soon as time of death was called they bagged the body and took off to DC. None of the Parkland Docs got to do even cursory post mortem 

I used to know someone who worked at Parkland, and knew a lot of the doctors and staff who were there that day. They all knew the kill shot came from the front and exited out the back of his head. There wasn't even a debate about it. 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

McClelland was one of our attendings as well. Carrico told us the story one day after rounds, 4 students an intern and junior resident. Very matter of fact. Did not have an opinion on who did it or why etc, just absolutely sure the bullet was from the front

one of the bullets from the front

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2 hours ago, Hermanator said:

His name was "DiMaggio" and he played for the NY Yankees. You think he couldn't just call up Sam Giancana any time he wanted?

It was New Orleans' own Carlos Marcello.  Maybe with some aidin' and abettin' by Tampa's Santo Trafficante.

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Pre-covid, I took my parents and family on a 2 week road trip to the northeast.  One of the places dad wanted to see was the Air Force museum in Dayton.  The Air Force One that carried Kennedy's casket back to DC is one of the exhibits.   They actually had to take a saw to a partition on the inside of the plane to get the casket inside.  Bottom pic is where the cut was made; the partition is wider at the bottom.  The saw marks were covered up with some silver metal trim afterwards.

 

Francisco Jr.

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Ms. Francisco and Dad:

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And the interior picture where the cut was made.  Not my pic; I thought I had taken one of this, but alas.  Pic courtesy of the Air Force museum website:

 

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30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

one of the bullets from the front

Hagbard, do you think that the existing redactions get at this stuff? I don't. I am legit curious as to what you think the remaining redactions are related to. I don't think any of the JFK stuff has anything to do with the actual assassination. 

 

The MLK stuff is going to be really fucked up though. I feel pretty good on that. Cause well, you know.  

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Pre-covid, I took my parents and family on a 2 week road trip to the northeast.  One of the places dad wanted to see was the Air Force museum in Dayton.  The Air Force One that carried Kennedy's casket back to DC is one of the exhibits.   They actually had to take a saw to a partition on the inside of the plane to get the casket inside.  Bottom pic is where the cut was made; the partition is wider at the bottom.  The saw marks were covered up with some silver metal trim afterwards.

 

Francisco Jr.

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Ms. Francisco and Dad:

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And the interior picture where the cut was made.  Not my pic; I thought I had taken one of this, but alas.  Pic courtesy of the Air Force museum website:

 

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That's one of the best museums I've ever been to. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't gone. It does mean going to Dayton though, which is less than ideal..

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4 hours ago, Hermanator said:

And, everyone knows all Italians are mafiosos and know each other anyway

I think all of us over 40 have at least one close relative who was in mob (RIP Uncle Donnie), but alas the glory days of La Costa Nostra are long gone.

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That's one of the best museums I've ever been to. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't gone. It does mean going to Dayton though, which is less than ideal..

Thirded. I did consulting at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton so I’ve been to that museum a half dozen times. It’s fantastic.
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9 hours ago, safe sex said:

That's one of the best museums I've ever been to. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't gone. It does mean going to Dayton though, which is less than ideal..

When Holbrooke had to find a place worse than war-torn 1990s Yugoslavia  to force the Bosnians, Serbs, and Croats to make a peace deal so they could leave, he made them all go to Dayton. 

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Thirded. I did consulting at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton so I’ve been to that museum a half dozen times. It’s fantastic.

It is second only to NASM. I’ve been a few times, each time better than the last because they really are actively improving it all the time, adding/refreshing exhibits, etc.

The best was I got snowed into Dayton for work once but the museum was open. I learned it takes about three days to do it properly. It’s gigantic.

The only shame is you can no longer get to see the storage/restoration facilities anymore. That was a treat back in the day.
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The WASP exhibit was either getting worked on or switched out when I was there, which was a bummer. But as an LBJ nerd, it was beyond cool to get to walk through Air Force One and see the spot where Lyndon successfully completed his coup. 

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Not exactly a hot take, but I believe the most likely reality is that:

0) The CIA was in a chaotic semi-mutiny following the firing of Allen Dulles and many of the old guard, Ivy League OSS leadership by Kennedy following the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Dulles was succeeded by military industrialist and nuclear regulator, Californian John McCone who was unable to manage or redirect the organization.

1) The assassination was orchestrated by an element in the CIA that was outside of the control of McCone and went rogue in connection with Cuba policy and contracted with the mob for additional shooters. 
2) JFK was shot from the overpass by one of a team of 3-4 shooters 
3) Oswald was a long-time CIA sleeper asset that happened to be ideally situated to be a patsy, but his availability for that purpose was largely an artifact of the circumstances.
4) Dulles used the Warren Commission to cover up agency involvement and the old guard was restored under Helms, and remained so until it was finally disassembled by George HW Bush, who more or less brought the agency under the control of the executive branch and White House.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not exactly a hot take, but I believe the most likely reality is that:

0) The CIA was in a chaotic semi-mutiny following the firing of Allen Dulles and many of the old guard, Ivy League OSS leadership by Kennedy following the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Dulles was succeeded by military industrialist and nuclear regulator, Californian John McCone who was unable to manage or redirect the organization.

1) The assassination was orchestrated by an element in the CIA that was outside of the control of McCone and went rogue in connection with Cuba policy and contracted with the mob for additional shooters. 
2) JFK was shot from the overpass by one of a team of 3-4 shooters 
3) Oswald was a long-time CIA sleeper asset that happened to be ideally situated to be a patsy, but his availability for that purpose was largely an artifact of the circumstances.
4) Dulles used the Warren Commission to cover up agency involvement and the old guard was restored under Helms, and remained so until it was finally disassembled by George HW Bush, who more or less brought the agency under the control of the executive branch and White House.

Been nice knowing you.

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This video shows what happens when a bullet goes through the brain. This is why the bullet had to come from behind. The shock wave built up passing through  Kennedy's brain blew out the front right of his head on to Connally, which is why he thought he had been shot a second time. At first he thought Kennedy's blood and brains were his own.

 

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20 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It was New Orleans' own Carlos Marcello.  Maybe with some aidin' and abettin' by Tampa's Santo Trafficante.

CSB, my father in law dated a Marcello before he married my MIL.  The broke up once one of the brothers told him it would be a bad idea to keep seeing her.

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My FIL was on the FBI Chicago mob task force and served a search warrant on one of Giancanna’s crew. He took and kept a framed photo of the whole family including Sam as a souvenir that still hangs in his home office. All the mob guys and FBI agents fucked with each other like that. He even told the guy “I’m taking this just because I want it.”

 

Not doxxing him because I did on shaggy a decade ago and I show up at dinner and he says “how's it going, BearSchlong?” That just about gave me a heart attack, mainly because lots of my posts back then we're highly descriptive of my acrobatic carnal adventures with his daughter.

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7 hours ago, safe sex said:

The WASP exhibit was either getting worked on or switched out when I was there, which was a bummer. But as an LBJ nerd, it was beyond cool to get to walk through Air Force One and see the spot where Lyndon successfully completed his coup. 

Off topic but the wife and I went to the LBJ Library last year and man it's really a fantastic museum. 

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I fail to see why the JFK and RFK releases matter, when the Rolling Stones long ago clearly revealed the culprits in their killings -- after all, it was you and me.

Yea but those guys also told me that sometimes I will find I get what I need. 

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Yea but those guys also told me that sometimes I will find I get what I need. 

Usually behind a door that's painted black.

 

 

Man, that's such a great fucking song.  Goddammit, I'm gonna have to crank up some Stones on the way home today, aren't I?

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