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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This was my complaint of the night and it turned the game. All the other flags I can live with. But the entire game changed when the refs decided to fuck over the Bills on that 4th down call. 

The coach blew the game.  I was saying how stupid it was going for 2 in the first half.  If he had gone for 1, it would have been tied 31-31 at the end of regulation.

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8 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

I always laugh at the idea that the NFL is tilting things for a team from FUCKING Kansas City.  As a Mavs fan I hated the Spurs but it's akin to when dipshits walked the earth thinking that the NBA was willing a team from San Antonio (another one horse pro team town) to all those titles.  

I don’t watch the NBA like I used to back when the Spurs had their glory years in the 90’s and 2000’s.   To my recollection, the NBA actually hated the Spurs were winning the West back then and putting the Lakers out of the playoffs early a few times back then because it put a dent in their prized TV ratings.   Finally the NBA did something about it one playoff series and managed to get the Lakers by the Spurs with a virtually impossible inbound shot from it something like .3 of a second left and I said adios to the NBA because it was so obvious in that series the NBA was wanting the Lakers in.  It just wasn’t that shot, but the difference in fouls called, etc throughout the series.    Of course that was the time to the betting scandal was underway and you had real gems of Refs out there like Joey Crawford.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I don’t watch the NBA like I used to back when the Spurs had their glory years in the 90’s and 2000’s.   To my recollection, the NBA actually hated the Spurs were winning the West back then and putting the Lakers out of the playoffs early a few times back then because it put a dent in their prized TV ratings.   Finally the NBA did something about it one playoff series and managed to get the Lakers by the Spurs with a virtually impossible inbound shot from it something like .3 of a second left and I said adios to the NBA because it was so obvious in that series the NBA was wanting the Lakers in.  It just wasn’t that shot, but the difference in fouls called, etc throughout the series.    Of course that was the time to the betting scandal was underway and you had real gems of Refs out there like Joey Crawford.

 

 

Think I remember that especially the way the refs let Lakers travel like crazy.  Total joke series to ensure they won.  

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6 hours ago, Iceman said:

Can you see the ball?  I don't see the ball.

Tony Romo is the voice of reason though...

In the camera view from other side I didn't think the ball crossed because he held it away.  He got hit pretty quick and even if the ball crossed by inches, it was not long enough to see. It was close for sure.

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7 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

In the camera view from other side I didn't think the ball crossed because he held it away.  He got hit pretty quick and even if the ball crossed by inches, it was not long enough to see. It was close for sure.

I thought the view from the other side showed him holding the ball up high and it crossing the line.

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23 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The ref whining has definitely crossed the threshold of being way more annoying than anything the refs do.

Idk the automatic 15 yd penalty for daring to touch Mahomes is pretty annoying, especially after watching your QB (Stroud in my case) take a beating.

Really thing that sticks in my craw the most about last night is the first down they took away from the Bills not once (ref on the field who had a worse view overruling the other) but twice upon review, that shit was ridiculous and why the NFL doesn’t have chips in the balls for more accurate spots I’ll never know.

All the other shit (all the missed holds/blocks in the back on Chiefs kickoff return, Kelce running over to taunt Bills players and the Bills getting the 15 yd penalty for it, that insane catch/noncatch by Worthy, etc) was pretty standard and what I’ve come to expect when a team is going up against the Chiefs or any other team who has the leagues current golden boy at QB: they get the 50/50 calls every time. You can’t leave anything up to chance while playing them.

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You could see from the other side that he was holding the ball high to his chest before the view was covered up so referring to the other angle makes sense and the ball clearly broke the plane. He'd have to have switched it to his right arm for it to be close to being short. I don't believe at all that games are rigged or that officials are instructed to be biased in one way or another but it was a horrendous call at a key moment that quite literally took from Buffalo the chance to close out the game with control of the ball. If stuff like that is the norm in Chief's games I get why opposing fans are always so mad at officiating.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How come the line judge on the bottom of the screen decided spot when he couldn't see ball location at all similar to the screenshot that is being posted? Why didn't the top of the frame official decide the spot who came in at what appeared to be the correct spot?

Probably because the QB was running toward the ref at the bottom of the screen and the ref at the top couldn't get a good look at the ball, either.

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1 hour ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

why the NFL doesn’t have chips in the balls for more accurate spots I’ll never know.

After the replacement ref fiasco, the ref union is more powerful than the NFLPA and has the NFL by the balls. The refs don’t want it bc it makes them obsolete and highlights their failure to objectively spot the ball. Constantly just making up spots 

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Watching every Eagles game, I can tell you the NFL and refs hate the tush push, one way they try to discourage it is by never giving a favorable spot if they can help it. Also not calling offsides unless it's obvious.

But the Bills didn't run the play well at all, Allen took too long to move forward and went too vertical

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The thing is this.  It's not a Chiefs conspiracy.  The Chiefs are a really talented football team.  They often put teams in situations like this where there are slim margins that then get left up to human vision, judgment and yes at times unconscious bias.  The Chiefs play in a lot of really big games so those human flaws get magnified.   

A lot of folks have talked about how the NFL needs to use technology to solve for the spotting of the ball, "chip the ball" they say.  And I 100% agree, but I also realize it isn't just "chipping the ball".  Spotting the ball in many situations is at a minimum a two-variable issue.  One variable is where the ball is.  The other variable is where is every part of the ball carrier's body with the exception of his hands in relation to the ground (ie when was he down). In other situations where he doesn't go down, it's when was the whistle blown and where was the ball (forward progress stopped) In some situations video/audio makes that easy. Synch up the video/audio to the chip in the ball.  I think they should be looking at this with all expediency.  That said there are still going to be those times (think piles of bodies around the goal line, etc) where the video isn't going to help there so that system also won't be perfect.  That doesn't mean they shouldn't be working on it.  

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12 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

The thing is this.  It's not a Chiefs conspiracy.  The Chiefs are a really talented football team.  They often put teams in situations like this where there are slim margins that then get left up to human vision, judgment and yes at times unconscious bias.  The Chiefs play in a lot of really big games so those human flaws get magnified.   

A lot of folks have talked about how the NFL needs to use technology to solve for the spotting of the ball, "chip the ball" they say.  And I 100% agree, but I also realize it isn't just "chipping the ball".  Spotting the ball in many situations is at a minimum a two-variable issue.  One variable is where the ball is.  The other variable is where is every part of the ball carrier's body with the exception of his hands in relation to the ground (ie when was he down). In other situations where he doesn't go down, it's when was the whistle blown and where was the ball (forward progress stopped) In some situations video/audio makes that easy. Synch up the video/audio to the chip in the ball.  I think they should be looking at this with all expediency.  That said there are still going to be those times (think piles of bodies around the goal line, etc) where the video isn't going to help there so that system also won't be perfect.  That doesn't mean they shouldn't be working on it.  

There is also an issue of where you place the chip in the ball. I'd assume you'd place it at the center, but then you are going to be off by half a football length, and you can't just add that length to the spot because the ball carrier usually doesn't have the ball oriented that way.

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1 minute ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

There is also an issue of where you place the chip in the ball. I'd assume you'd place it at the center, but then you are going to be off by half a football length, and you can't just add that length to the spot because the ball carrier usually doesn't have the ball oriented that way.

Good point

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2 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Really thing that sticks in my craw the most about last night is the first down they took away from the Bills not once (ref on the field who had a worse view overruling the other) but twice upon review, that shit was ridiculous and why the NFL doesn’t have chips in the balls for more accurate spots I’ll never know.

i know people roll their eyes at soccer, but the English Premier League has goal line technology that nearly immediately can determine whether the ball went past the goal line or not, by millimeters (oh not the metric system!)

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8 minutes ago, yoladu said:

i know people roll their eyes at soccer, but the English Premier League has goal line technology that nearly immediately can determine whether the ball went past the goal line or not, by millimeters (oh not the metric system!)

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This is exactly what I would be asking for, and don't even have to use it all the time, can let the refs spot the ball as per usual and just have this there waiting for situations where there are some questions/doubts like what happened last night. Could even have this tech locked behind a coach's challenge which would turn what's usually the dumbest thing to challenge (ball spot) into something that would actually be worthwhile and have zero doubt. 

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1 hour ago, yoladu said:

i know people roll their eyes at soccer, but the English Premier League has goal line technology that nearly immediately can determine whether the ball went past the goal line or not, by millimeters (oh not the metric system!)

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The tennis matches as well 

i assume the tech is there for football but the first down line moves throughout the game obviously and tennis and soccer lines don't.

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24 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

i assume the tech is there for football but the first down line moves throughout the game obviously and tennis and soccer lines don't.

There are a set of down markers on each side of the field - they should create a line running across the field and the chip in the ball should buzz the official that it has reached or passed the line to gain.   You'd just have to get the tech into both the ball and the down markers. 

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16 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

I always laugh at the idea that the NFL is tilting things for a team from FUCKING Kansas City.

They ain't doing it for KC.  And they aren't doing it specifically because they like Mahomes.  

They ARE being super ticky-tacky when it comes to protecting one of the biggest stars in the game who coincidentally has about half a billion invested in him. 

As far as the spots... that shit happens for home teams all of the time.  It is a documented, data-driven fact that referees fudge close calls in the home team's favor across all levels of all sports.

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Along with ball/line tech, surely they've got some kind of imaging tech that can penetrate a pile of bodies to help identify when a runner is down.

All of this can free-up the officials to focus on what they do best: botching holding and pass interference calls.

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16 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

They ain't doing it for KC.  And they aren't doing it specifically because they like Mahomes.  

They ARE being super ticky-tacky when it comes to protecting one of the biggest stars in the game who coincidentally has about half a billion invested in him. 

As far as the spots... that shit happens for home teams all of the time.  It is a documented, data-driven fact that referees fudge close calls in the home team's favor across all levels of all sports.

Also likely doing it to please Swifties and drive women viewership and interest in the NFL so their network partners can sell more ads accordingly. Just a happy accidently it also happens to be KC with Mahomes too as opposed to if she was dating some bum on the Jags, so the effect seems magnified/enhanced.

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1 hour ago, smuggs said:

Along with ball/line tech, surely they've got some kind of imaging tech that can penetrate a pile of bodies to help identify when a runner is down.

All of this can free-up the officials to focus on what they do best: botching holding and pass interference calls.

Goodell’s solution will be to eliminate the tush push …

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1 hour ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Also likely doing it to please Swifties and drive women viewership and interest in the NFL so their network partners can sell more ads accordingly. Just a happy accidently it also happens to be KC with Mahomes too as opposed to if she was dating some bum on the Jags, so the effect seems magnified/enhanced.

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It's smart to drive away fans so you can gain viewership from young girls with really shitty taste in music, who will stop watching once Taylor Swift tires of pegging Kelce. 

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