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If you're gonna make it illegal the logic should be what we saw in the Philly - Washington game, where the offense is in control of the snap making it impossible for the defense to react to the snap in time to stop a 2-3 foot gain. Of course, we then saw it stopped pretty effectively in the Chiefs-Bills game, so I think it should stay legal.

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52 minutes ago, Deej said:

It's smart to drive away fans

Please show me where they are driving away fans, think if anybody is getting "driven away" the Swift fans gained far outweigh them for a net gain plus the new viewership demos...

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viewership from young girls

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9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Or the logic could be that it was illegal forever until 2005 (2013 in college).

Knowing it used to be this way this was my logic from the NFC Champ game thread

 

I have a more philosophical issue with it and that is that I think any offensive player should be responsible for his own forward progress.  That means once your forward progress is stopped, nobody can help you.  Your forward progress can't be intentionally aided by others as a part of play design, it can't be guys pushing you forward when you get bottled up 7 yards down field (un-designed) etc etc.  Once you are stopped, you are stopped.  So it wouldn't just be this play, though this is the most obvious example.  The game is so tilted to the offense across all levels of play that I feel stripping offenses of this one advantage is a reasonable position.  Others may disagree. 

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2 hours ago, mulletpelini said:

aint no way in hell Vegas is gonna let them put chips in the damn balls

I do not understand the science of the chip in the ball.  Does the chip make the entire object live to the sensors in the yard markers or whatever? A football is at least  11 inches long.  Where does the chip get detected?  Would it take more than one chip?  Can the NFL guide the chips/ impact FG attempts, because that accusation is coming next...

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4 hours ago, Iceman said:

I do not understand the science of the chip in the ball.  Does the chip make the entire object live to the sensors in the yard markers or whatever? A football is at least  11 inches long.  Where does the chip get detected?  Would it take more than one chip?  Can the NFL guide the chips/ impact FG attempts, because that accusation is coming next...

A few more thoughts.  Do you have different balls for a punt? Kicking a sensor seems like a bad idea. Also I can see a huge hole in the entire theory. You can design a ball with sensors that could probably figure out where it was on the field. However it can't figure out whether the player holding it was down. Tackled from behind and the player stretches the ball out. Only problem is that his knees are already on the ground or he reaches out ( like Tennessee receiver did on the last play of the 1999 Super Bowl). Obviously down but the ball is across the line

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Sensors at the ends and on the seams in the middle. They can still pause the video when the knee hits and see if it’s short or just before the knee hits to see if it’s made. If it’s a true scrum where you can’t see the knee then the call on the field stands. There really is no excuse for not at least trying it like other sports other than “we don’t wanna.” Even baseball where old timers complain about every change is going to experiment with robot umps for reviews this season.

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Baseball uses the minors for trials though.  That shit's been in the minors.  Question a pitch, arm goes up, and very quickly, the decision comes down.

I'm very traditional in many respects, but I want the correct call.  The human element is stupid.

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18 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Baseball uses the minors for trials though.  That shit's been in the minors.  Question a pitch, arm goes up, and very quickly, the decision comes down.

I'm very traditional in many respects, but I want the correct call.  The human element is stupid.

All NFL has to do is keep copying what XFL does as they are more experimental with tech. Hell they already took their kickoff.

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15 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Knowing it used to be this way this was my logic from the NFC Champ game thread

 

I have a more philosophical issue with it and that is that I think any offensive player should be responsible for his own forward progress.  That means once your forward progress is stopped, nobody can help you.  Your forward progress can't be intentionally aided by others as a part of play design, it can't be guys pushing you forward when you get bottled up 7 yards down field (un-designed) etc etc.  Once you are stopped, you are stopped.  So it wouldn't just be this play, though this is the most obvious example.  The game is so tilted to the offense across all levels of play that I feel stripping offenses of this one advantage is a reasonable position.  Others may disagree. 

This is the correct take, shit like the Skattebo td where the OL carries him in make no sense

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24 minutes ago, smuggs said:

They do all this tracking shit with a soccer ball that is 9" in diameter and 28" around. Not to mention it gets kicked around about a million times in a single match.

The technology is easy to implement, but the NFL doesn't want to pay for it if they absolutely don't have to.

It's just better to have 60 year old men's eyes spot the ball from the sideline.  Gets the people talking. 

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Maybe people aren't tired of the Chiefs.

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Source telling me Chiefs-Bills from Sunday marks the best AFC Championship game audience ever with 57.4 million viewers on CBS Best for any NFC/AFC title game since 57.6 million for Giants-49ers in 2012 Tops prior AFC record of 55.5 million last year for Chiefs-Ravens

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If you really thought it was rigged you would bet on the Chiefs all year every year and make a bunch of money. That's my main retort to the "it's rigged" crowd. If you really believe it, put your money where your mouth is. It's a guaranteed win, right?

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9 hours ago, Iceman said:

I do not understand the science of the chip in the ball.  Does the chip make the entire object live to the sensors in the yard markers or whatever? A football is at least  11 inches long.  Where does the chip get detected?  Would it take more than one chip?  Can the NFL guide the chips/ impact FG attempts, because that accusation is coming next...

I'm sure a multibillion dollar company can pay some nerds to figure it out. They should be able to combine the location of the ball on the field with the replay cameras so a guy in a booth can pinpoint the instant the runner's knee is down, and know where the ball goes. Relay that to some on-field tech in the sideline markers and make it extremely accurate.

This really shouldn't be the debate though, the tech isn't hard to figure out. It's about getting the calls right and removing as much human error (or favoritism) from the equation as possible. Again, other sports use this technology to know exactly if a ball barely grazed a line, or if a soccer ball crossed into the goal after getting kicked a million times by world class athletes that can leg press 1000 pounds. The NFL should care more about the perception of their product, and work to alleviate the claims that there is foul play. 

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1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

I'm sure a multibillion dollar company can pay some nerds to figure it out. They should be able to combine the location of the ball on the field with the replay cameras so a guy in a booth can pinpoint the instant the runner's knee is down, and know where the ball goes. Relay that to some on-field tech in the sideline markers and make it extremely accurate.

This really shouldn't be the debate though, the tech isn't hard to figure out. It's about getting the calls right and removing as much human error (or favoritism) from the equation as possible. Again, other sports use this technology to know exactly if a ball barely grazed a line, or if a soccer ball crossed into the goal after getting kicked a million times by world class athletes that can leg press 1000 pounds. The NFL should care more about the perception of their product, and work to alleviate the claims that there is foul play. 

I'm sorry, are you under the notion that the NFL and owners give a flying fuck about getting calls right and would spend money to get it done?

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22 minutes ago, hook me said:

I'm sorry, are you under the notion that the NFL and owners give a flying fuck about getting calls right and would spend money to get it done?

It's not even mostly the cost.  It's that the ref union has the NFL by the balls and they don't want this, because it both makes them obsolete and further reinforces how bad they are at their jobs. 

And the NFL won't go against them, or it's replacement refs 2.0

And that was a disaster

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2 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I'm sure a multibillion dollar company can pay some nerds to figure it out. They should be able to combine the location of the ball on the field with the replay cameras so a guy in a booth can pinpoint the instant the runner's knee is down, and know where the ball goes. Relay that to some on-field tech in the sideline markers and make it extremely accurate.

This really shouldn't be the debate though, the tech isn't hard to figure out. It's about getting the calls right and removing as much human error (or favoritism) from the equation as possible. Again, other sports use this technology to know exactly if a ball barely grazed a line, or if a soccer ball crossed into the goal after getting kicked a million times by world class athletes that can leg press 1000 pounds. The NFL should care more about the perception of their product, and work to alleviate the claims that there is foul play. 

Soccer in the UK utilizes goal line technology. If the ball crosses completely past the goal line in any way, even mid-air, it is scored a goal. The ref is buzzed on the decision and the goal is awarded. The replay will show that the ball was completely over the line. How we can't do something similar with a ball fully chipped is beyond me. We shouldn't leave it up to the human element when we have ample technology. It doesn't need to go to NBA level did a fingertip graze the ball level but it can be something pretty easy and not very time consuming. 

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17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It's not even mostly the cost.  It's that the ref union has the NFL by the balls and they don't want this, because it both makes them obsolete and further reinforces how bad they are at their jobs. 

And the NFL won't go against them, or it's replacement refs 2.0

And that was a disaster

It's about the NFL and owners not giving a shit. It's a multi-billion dollar a year business, if they wanted it they'd do it tomorrow & pay the refs extra to make up for hurting their feelings. 

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On 1/27/2025 at 11:27 AM, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

There is also an issue of where you place the chip in the ball. I'd assume you'd place it at the center, but then you are going to be off by half a football length, and you can't just add that length to the spot because the ball carrier usually doesn't have the ball oriented that way.

No, two sensors in the laces can completely model the exact position and orientation of the football down to a meaningless margin. This is not at all a limitation. 

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The refs are lazy and especially the players. Holding is their heroin. On both sides of the ball they are more than willing to cheat. The only question they have is how noticeable was their "hold". All the holding on both sides of the ball cheapen the game and likely have made it far lower scoring and less exciting. Somewhere along the line someone decided that grabbing a jersey was okay. That's bullshit. Let's see how offenses would compensate if blockers couldn't hold rushers. It's evolved now to where defenders are draped all over receivers by the time the ball gets there. They're fucking lazy. It's boring and infuriating. It puts the games in the hands of the refs.

Any fucking announcer who says "let them play" is a moron and should be drummed out of the league. Every fucking game comes down to referee calls or non-calls. Fuck it.

You wanna turn it around? Every holding call (and there wouldn't be many) would be confirmed by quick replay. The second holding call against any player results in a half game immediate suspension, or use a twenty minute penalty box concept. That's for any holding (offense or defense) and early hits on receivers. That stuff used to not be allowed. A team ;plays its heart out all year to have some lazy or crooked ref shit on their season.  The league offices and their refs are a bunch of pussies and cowards. Go along to get along.

 

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3 hours ago, mdmost said:

Soccer in the UK utilizes goal line technology. If the ball crosses completely past the goal line in any way, even mid-air, it is scored a goal. The ref is buzzed on the decision and the goal is awarded. The replay will show that the ball was completely over the line. How we can't do something similar with a ball fully chipped is beyond me. We shouldn't leave it up to the human element when we have ample technology. It doesn't need to go to NBA level did a fingertip graze the ball level but it can be something pretty easy and not very time consuming. 

The World Cup 2022 featured in-ball sensors to help with the exact position of the ball in addition to VAR. It's called "connected ball technology." They also use it for offsides calls and to determine which player last touched a ball before it goes out of bounds. It's pretty nifty technology, and seems exactly like the sort of thing the NFL needs. 

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4 hours ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

The refs are lazy and especially the players. Holding is their heroin. On both sides of the ball they are more than willing to cheat. The only question they have is how noticeable was their "hold". All the holding on both sides of the ball cheapen the game and likely have made it far lower scoring and less exciting. Somewhere along the line someone decided that grabbing a jersey was okay. That's bullshit. Let's see how offenses would compensate if blockers couldn't hold rushers. It's evolved now to where defenders are draped all over receivers by the time the ball gets there. They're fucking lazy. It's boring and infuriating. It puts the games in the hands of the refs.

Any fucking announcer who says "let them play" is a moron and should be drummed out of the league. Every fucking game comes down to referee calls or non-calls. Fuck it.

You wanna turn it around? Every holding call (and there wouldn't be many) would be confirmed by quick replay. The second holding call against any player results in a half game immediate suspension, or use a twenty minute penalty box concept. That's for any holding (offense or defense) and early hits on receivers. That stuff used to not be allowed. A team ;plays its heart out all year to have some lazy or crooked ref shit on their season.  The league offices and their refs are a bunch of pussies and cowards. Go along to get along.

 

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On 1/28/2025 at 8:29 AM, 'stache said:

With all the talk about the games being “scripted,” it almost feels scripted after all the Chiefs-Refs talk all year the AFC Championship game came down to a close call that the refs blew in favor of the Chiefs. 

Except...

that the FACTS support the reality that the Bills and Josh Allen had the ball and time on the clock to go win the game - something they bitched and moaned about not having after the OT loss to the Chiefs that lead to the OT rules change - and they could not make the plays needed to win the game

Ifs and buts and candy and nuts don’t change the FACT the the opportunity was there to go win the game late and the Bills failed to capitalize. Period.

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