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1 hour ago, flatdawgs said:

Clearcutting still exists here (although regulated to some extent by using buffer zones, variable-density harvesting, etc. and mandatory replanting) and although it has been severely limited (on federal lands) since the NW Forest Plan 25 years ago, it still occurs there under the guise of other NFS projects, most recently in the Colville NF. On private lands, which are extensive due to the checkerboarding of federal land grants to the railroads, it's more extensive and subject only to state regs. In WA these are relatively weak due to, among other things, the fact that the state constitution to this day allocates school construction funds from timber sales revenues. 

You're quite correct (as I'd expect with your background and experience) that more of this occurs outside the NF boundaries than inside, which can be pretty clearly seen in the checkerboard patterns on satellite images.

Yeah, and I guess clearcutting has its place in forest management as well.

But I would expect the Trump administration to do it for profit and without regard to good forestry practices.

Sadly, part of the South's ascendance in timber production is abuse of rural and rural minority families to take their timberland and put it in production when they hadn't properly descended their lands.  

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9 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

We already log in the national forests. We always have. NFs are for resource management, not preservation; side benefits such as camping and hiking are just that. I've spent my entire life spending time in the Cascades of WA and OR - most of which is national forest land - and I guarantee that not only does logging still go on in them, quite often you can't even get to where you think you are going because the Forest Service roads are gated to allow for timber extraction.

Oregon is still primarily a resource colony due to timber, despite most of the mills in the PNW having shut down 40 years ago - since then softwoods have been exported to Asia to be milled there. Washington's economy is far more diverse and the state is much wealthier (3rd highest GDP per capita in the nation, ahead of California [4] and Texas [16]), but even here the timber industry is important and a good deal of that occurs in the national forests. A tariff war above and beyond the three-decade long timber wars would hurt not because you can't get the trees, but because there is no longer anywhere to turn them into lumber. 

Gifford Pinchot out front should’ve told ya. 

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Also the more lumber than we can use is a flat lie.  Well, maybe not if we start clearcutting national forests.

We have lumber, we just don’t have it near factories which use it as they have shut down older sites to focus on the cheap imports.
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For about the past 4 years or so my financial advisor has been parking a good chunk of my year-end partner distribution into a stock account that has done quite well.  He told me to deposit this year's distribution into my money market account, because he doesn't have a good feeling about the stock market, at least in the first year of this wonderful new administration.  

This week should be fun.

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Why don’t they just raise the price of their crops?  And do they not already get the benefit of a federal subsidy?  Or did, at least?  Guess he has to beg Elon for that piece. 
 

finally, he said he was going to do this and Iowa voted for him bigly.  So we should assume they want it too or are willing to pay the patriot tax. 

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Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, whose state exports more than $16 billion of agricultural goods annually, said he was taking a "wait-and-see attitude."

"Normally I'd be stronger in my comments because I am a free trader. I used to be in the majority when free trading was a majority of the Congress, but now I am in the minority.'

Some bold leadership there Chuck.

Rand Paul is the only R senator I've seen say anything negative and his daddy probably made him do it.

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“The Republican Party had long stood for free markets and free trade, principles that helped cement America as the world’s economic superpower," Republican Senator Rand Paul said, defending the Kentucky bourbon producers and car manufacturers he represents, "Many in my own party seem to have forgotten these lessons."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-republicans-congress-worry-about-trump-tariffs-toll-their-home-states-2025-01-31/

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3 minutes ago, WBT said:

I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were the party of free trade and against protectionist nonsense

Now do alignment with the pharmaceutical/drug industry, blood lust war mongering, free speech, fealty to the FBI/CIA Intelligence complex......

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WASHINGTON, Feb 3 (Reuters) - The White House said on Monday it has noticed that Mexico is "serious" about President Donald Trump's executive order on tariffs, but Canada has "misunderstood" it to be a trade war between the neighboring countries.
 

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/white-house-mexico-is-serious-canada-appears-have-misunderstood-trumps-executive-2025-02-03/

Idiots. Of course it's a trade war.

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20 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Now do alignment with the pharmaceutical/drug industry, blood lust war mongering, free speech, fealty to the FBI/CIA Intelligence complex......

Free speech like "you're fired if you list your pronouns in your email", that kind of free speech?

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3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I'm old enough to remember having to bailout farmers last time we instigated a half-baked trade war because I'm older than 9.

And those bailouts cost approximately as much as the revenue gained in the tariffs.  So it accomplished nothing but to harm our agrarian industry.  

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Stupid question amnesty:

How can the President unilaterally levy a tax on the American public?

Shouldn’t that fall under the purview of congress due to the fact that they’re the only branch with the taxing authority?

i know…. I know. Question is completely moronic.

 

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11 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

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Further evidence that "Christians" are just a virtue signaling club that Matthew warned about.   Can't ever get the basics right.

Just now, Dnaguy said:

Stupid question amnesty:

How can the President unilaterally levy a tax on the American public?

Shouldn’t that fall under the purview of congress due to the fact that they’re the only branch with the taxing authority?

i know…. I know. Question is completely moronic.

 

Supreme Court made Presidents all powerful.  If congress doesn't watch out, they will send the military to attack them.

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4 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Stupid question amnesty:

How can the President unilaterally levy a tax on the American public?

Shouldn’t that fall under the purview of congress due to the fact that they’re the only branch with the taxing authority?

i know…. I know. Question is completely moronic.

 

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4 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Stupid question amnesty:

How can the President unilaterally levy a tax on the American public?

Shouldn’t that fall under the purview of congress due to the fact that they’re the only branch with the taxing authority?

i know…. I know. Question is completely moronic.

In a functional constituional democratic republic, a president can't do such a thing. 

 

.... what makes you think we're in a functional constitutional democratic republic?

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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/03/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-sheinbaum-responds.html

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Mexico President Claudia Sheinbaum said Monday that the United States has agreed to pause for one month the implementation of President Donald Trump’s tariffs on goods from her country.

Sheinbaum also said in a tweet, that after speaking with Trump, Mexico “will immediately reinforce” its northern border with the U.S. with 10,000 National Guard soldiers “to prevent drug trafficking from Mexico to the United States, particularly fentanyl.”

 

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I love that Canada and Mexico have levied equal tariffs, but only on red states. I'm glad adults in those countries are using precise instruments of pain rather than the blunt force trauma we're inflicting on them (well, actually ourselves)

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

AKA as giving Trump something he can use to say he has completely solved the problem (which is what he will say) regardless of whether anything changes. I also bet Mexico doesn't do anything. Claudia has correctly concluded she is dealing with a toddler. 

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I love that Canada and Mexico have levied equal tariffs, but only on red states. I'm glad adults in those countries are using precise instruments of pain rather than the blunt force trauma we're inflicting on them (well, actually ourselves)

NATO countries need to ban the sale of Teslas also.  The only things these assholes understand is financial pain.

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

AKA as giving Trump something he can use to say he has completely solved the problem (which is what he will say) regardless of whether anything changes. I also bet Mexico doesn't do anything. Claudia has correctly concluded she is dealing with a toddler. 

IMHO they are freaking out after market open. 10k people isn't going to solve anything and was a way for Trump to save face. Canada may not be as generous. 

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