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Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) spoke out against the heavy tariffs President Donald Trump placed on Canada, Mexico, and China this month in an interview on the right-wing Newsmax channel on Monday.

This comes as stock markets reacted to the tariffs with a massive sell-off.

"Tariffs are a tax," Johnson said on Newsmax. "When you tax something, you get less of it, so we'll probably get fewer imports, but then with retaliation, fewer exports. Smoot-Hawley was not particularly successful and helped spark the Depression, so I share the markets' concern."

One of many MAGAs who is getting a lot of angry phone calls right now. 

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51 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This is all fucking theatrics.  Gaining so much respect for Canada refusing to bend the knee.

I mean, they will at some point because they'll have to.  They aren't gonna go into a recession to prove a point...they'll buckle down and take measures similar to what Mexico is doing.

But agree, it's all theatrics...I don't understand why people live and die by this stuff in 5 minute increments. 

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12 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

I mean, they will at some point because they'll have to.  They aren't gonna go into a recession to prove a point...they'll buckle down and take measures similar to what Mexico is doing.

But agree, it's all theatrics...I don't understand why people live and die by this stuff in 5 minute increments. 

So, can you maybe tell us what the fucking point of it all was?

This is like a hysterical wife threatening divorce over leaving the toilet lid up. And then talking her off the ledge by reaching a deal that you'll put it down if she'd flush her piss and TP that she always leaves floating.

Okay, so now we're going to pretend that the US will crack down on smuggling assault weapons into Mexico, and they'll crack down on fentanyl being smuggled into the US. 

You're the Trump supporter. Tell us, what's the beef with Canada again? They're not a major source of undocumented migrants and fentanyl. Explain that shit.

Do you just enjoy the chaos, or what?

 

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29 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

I mean, they will at some point because they'll have to.  They aren't gonna go into a recession to prove a point...they'll buckle down and take measures similar to what Mexico is doing.

But agree, it's all theatrics...I don't understand why people live and die by this stuff in 5 minute increments. 

While the tariffs are completely pointless and stupid, I'm not nearly as worried about those as I am with what Leon is doing at Treasury. That, coupled with the idea that Trump is already dropping hints about sticking around for an illegal third term should scare the fucking pants off anybody who wishes the US to remain a truly free country.

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

While the tariffs are completely pointless and stupid, I'm not nearly as worried about those as I am with what Leon is doing at Treasury. That, coupled with the idea that Trump is already dropping hints about sticking around for an illegal third term should scare the fucking pants off anybody who wishes the US to remain a truly free country.

I know we've been saying it for 10 years, but hopefully he just dies within the next 4 and does us all a favor.

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5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I know we've been saying it for 10 years, but hopefully he just dies within the next 4 and does us all a favor.

What we really need is for Leon to take a little too much ketamine one night when he decides to solo jacuzzi

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

So, can you maybe tell us what the fucking point of it all was?

This is like a hysterical wife threatening divorce over leaving the toilet lid up. And then talking her off the ledge by reaching a deal that you'll put it down if she'd flush her piss and TP that she always leaves floating.

Okay, so now we're going to pretend that the US will crack down on smuggling assault weapons into Mexico, and they'll crack down on fentanyl being smuggled into the US. 

You're the Trump supporter. Tell us, what's the beef with Canada again? They're not a major source of undocumented migrants and fentanyl. Explain that shit.

Do you just enjoy the chaos, or what?

 

Well for starters, I'm NOT a supporter and am one that thinks our whole system is fucked.   To your question of what's the fucking point?  He's obviously is a narcissist and loves the theatrics and influence he has over simple minded people.  As stated in the Youtube video above this isn't complicated...Trump likes to drive a narrative, push the media cycle to whatever end, and rinse/repeat with no real thought on ramifications.  Most of the time nothing happens (whew), some of the time the results are bad and other times (rare) the results are actually positive.

As to the "beef" with Canada, there are certainly areas of the trade/economic partnerships that could certainly be improved but I don't get the urgency all of a sudden with them.  Supposedly a lot of the fake China shit is flowing through Canada, which does cost American's more in the long run.   There are some good follows out there from supply chain/industry people who spell it out way better than any journalist or random internet expert.

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13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

That, coupled with the idea that Trump is already dropping hints about sticking around for an illegal third term should scare the fucking pants off anybody who wishes the US to remain a truly free country.

That's just gaslighting both from Trump and the media trying to stir up fear & engagement amongst their audience.   The only one of any remote concern is Trump going the VP route but even that is a ridiculous stretch.

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4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

What we really need is for Leon to take a little too much ketamine one night when he decides to solo jacuzzi

Well, maybe now instead of some incel snapping and shooting up a school, we'll have some non-maga types snap and start shooting up billionaire illegal immigrants.

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3 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

That's just gaslighting both from Trump and the media trying to stir up fear & engagement amongst their audience.   The only one of any remote concern is Trump going the VP route but even that is a ridiculous stretch.

Maybe you were sleeping in 2020, but he spent 3 months trying to steal the election. Does that ring a bell? Does that one not count because he failed?

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3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Maybe you were sleeping in 2020, but he spent 3 months trying to steal the election. Does that ring a bell? Does that one not count because he failed?

pfft, he has done nothing but attempt to or succeed at stealing elections since 2015. call me a tin foil dipshit if you want, but you cannot convince me he won either time legitimately. it was no more evident than how fiercely he crowed about rigged elections. it's because they were - in his favor. maybe it'll subside over time, but as it stands right now I simply cannot be convinced either of his wins were clean. is what it is, I suppose

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8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Maybe you were sleeping in 2020, but he spent 3 months trying to steal the election. Does that ring a bell? Does that one not count because he failed?

He never came remotely close to doing anything.  

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10 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

He never came remotely close to doing anything.  

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In the months after the election, President Trump and Dr. Eastman helped foster those  public beliefs and encouraged state legislators to question the election results. Dr. Eastman testified before and met with “state legislators[] to advise them of their constitutional authority . . . to direct the ‘manner’ of choosing presidential electors.” President Trump also made personal appeals to state officials. On January 2, he called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to discuss allegations of election fraud. During the call, President Trump repeatedly claimed it was impossible for him to have lost the popular vote in Georgia, and repeatedly mentioned his “current margin [of] only 11,779” votes. He explained to Secretary Raffensperger that he did not care about specific fraud numbers as long as he won, “because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes[?]” When Secretary Raffensperger pushed back against these requests, the President warned of public anger and threatened criminal consequences. The President interspersed the conversation with specific fraud claims—dead people voting, absentee ballot forgeries, trucks ferrying illegal ballots, and machines stuffed with “unvoted” ballots.

Mr. Raffensperger debunked the allegations “point by point” and explained that “the data you have is wrong;” however, President Trump still told him, “I just want to find 11,780 votes.” The next day, President Trump attempted to elevate Jeffrey Clark to Acting Attorney General, based on Mr. Clark’s statements that he would write a letter to contested states saying that the election may have been stolen and urging them to decertify electors.14 The White House Counsel described Mr. Clark’s proposed letter as a “murder-suicide pact” that would “damage everyone who touches it” and commented “we should have nothing to do with that letter.” President Trump eventually did not promote Mr. Clark after multiple high-ranking members of the Department of Justice threatened mass resignations that would leave the Department a “graveyard.”

In the months following the election, numerous credible sources–from the President’s inner circle to agency leadership to statisticians–informed President Trump and Dr. Eastman that there was no evidence of election fraud. One week after the election, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency declared “[t]he November 3rd election [] the most secure in American history” and found “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.” An internal Trump Campaign memo concluded in November that fraud claims related to Dominion voting machines were baseless. In early December, Attorney General Barr publicly stated there was no evidence of fraud, and on December 27, Deputy Attorney General Donoghue privately told President Trump that after “dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews,” the Department of Justice had concluded that “the major allegations [of election fraud] are not supported by the evidence developed.”  Still, President Trump repeatedly urged that “the Department [of Justice] should publicly say that the election is corrupt or suspect or not reliable.”

By early January, more than sixty court cases alleging fraud had been dismissed for lack of evidence or lack of standing.21 2. Plan to disrupt electoral count In response to alleged fraud, Dr. Eastman researched and planned a strategy for President Trump to win the election. Just after Christmas, Dr. Eastman wrote a now-public twopage memo proposing that Vice President Pence refuse to count certified electoral votes from states contested by the Trump campaign: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The memo outlines the two ways in which Dr. Eastman’s plan ensures “President Trump is re-elected.” If Vice President Pence refused to count electoral votes from all seven contested states, President Trump would win 232 votes to 222. Alternatively, if Congress claimed that a candidate could not win without reaching 270 votes, Vice President Pence could send the election to the Republican-majority House of Representatives, which would then elect President Trump. The memo emphasizes that “[t]he main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court.”

On January 3, 2021, Dr. Eastman drafted a six-page memo expanding on his plan and analysis, which he later disclosed to the media. This memo “war gam[ed]” four potential scenarios for January 6, only some of which would lead to President Trump winning reelection. Claiming that “[t]he stakes could not be higher,” Dr. Eastman concludes his memo stating that his plan is “BOLD, Certainly. But this Election was Stolen by a strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage; we’re no longer playing by Queensbury Rules.”

On January 4, President Trump and Dr. Eastman invited Vice President Pence, the Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob, and the Vice President’s Chief of Staff Marc Short to the Oval Office to discuss Dr. Eastman’s memo. Dr. Eastman presented only two courses of action for the Vice President on January 6: to reject electors or delay the count. During that meeting, Vice President Pence consistently held that he did not possess the authority to carry out Dr. Eastman’s proposal. The Vice President’s counsel and chief of staff were then directed to meet separately with Dr. Eastman the next day to review materials in support of his plan. Dr. Eastman opened the meeting on January 5 bluntly: “I’m here asking you to reject the electors.” Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob and Dr. Eastman spent the majority of the meeting in a Socratic debate on the merits of the memo’s legal arguments. Over the course of their discussion, Dr. Eastman’s focus pivoted from requesting Vice President Pence reject the electors to asking him to delay the count, which he presented as more “palatable.” Ultimately, Dr. Eastman conceded that his argument was contrary to consistent historical practice, would likely be unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court, and violated the Electoral Count Act on four separate grounds. Despite receiving pushback, President Trump and Dr. Eastman continued to urge Vice President Pence to carry out the plan. At 1:00 am on January 6, President Trump tweeted, “If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency . . . Mike can send it back!”

At 8:17 a.m., the President tweeted again, “States want to correct their votes . . . All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”41 Following his tweets, President Trump placed two calls to Vice President Pence directly. After not being able to connect with the Vice President around 9:00 am, they spoke at approximately 11:20 am.42 Vice President Pence’s National Security Advisor, General Keith Kellogg, Jr., was present and described President Trump as berating the Vice President for “not [being] tough enough to make the call” to delay or reject electoral votes.43

Imagine believing that the guy who did all of the above presents "no danger" and will not attempt to hold onto power. Just mind boggling stuff.

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Just now, safe sex said:

He literally started a riot that tried to stop the 2020 election from being certified.

And with that delay, he hoped a few state legislatures would go along with changing their electoral college voters to tip the balance of the election.

They called this play the "Green Bay Sweep."

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At what point do we talk about this tariff start-and-stop as straight-up market manipulation?

Tariff!  Market down almost 2 percent.

Tariff paused!  Market comes roaring back.

And of course Trump's hedge fund managers are out in front of all of it, profiting in both directions.

We've got a street level mafioso wannabe running a numbers game on the entire economy.

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2 hours ago, The Dog said:

Stopping fentanyl is no doubt one reason those Mexican National Guard troops will be on the border.

The main reason, if I guess right, is to have some units already in place just in case some American wants to go filibustero.

Who am I kidding-- Trumpkins are scared if a car drives by playing Mexican music. They are not simply walking into Mordor Matamoros.

 

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10 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Stopping fentanyl is no doubt one reason those Mexican National Guard troops will be on the border.

The main reason, if I guess right, is to have some units already in place just in case some American wants to go filibustero.

Who am I kidding-- Trumpkins are scared if a car drives by playing Mexican music. They are not simply walking into Mordor Matamoros.

 

Holy shit Matamoros.  That brings back some hazy memories.  Me and my buddies took my Prelude down to Padre and MTV was there.  Girls Gone Wild wasn't quite a thing yet.  Matamoras was safe for the most part.  Me and my biggest buddy went walking deeper into town to find a strip club.  That was sketchy as hell.  We got thrown out.  

 

How long has it been since it's been "safe" to cross the border like that?

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so...folks in actual maga-land started panicking when Mexico called his bluff, so he was like 'jk! but you gotta gimme something' so they said fine here's some national guards, and he backed off.

and Canada is still staring him down, but we don't even really know what the 'demand' is so they are kind of just like

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is that basically where we're at?

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45 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

If someone shot at you, missed badly, and is now saying that they're going to shoot you, would you take it seriously?

I think you are giving him too much credit.

The analogy I'd use is someone 1,000 miles away shot at me, missed badly, and is still 1,000 miles away and wants to shoot at me again.  No, I wouldn't take them seriously.

You can think me crazy, fine...I don't think Trump has anywhere near the power or capability to come anywhere close to gaming the system to give him a 3rd term.

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Just now, safe sex said:

That's an insane statement. He tried. Why isn't that enough?

Well, it should be, but I think you are applying the wrong logic here.  Yes, in any NORMAL, functioning society, his attempts should absolutely be disqualifying from holding public office in the future.

The problem is they aren't, and that's not something that will likely be changed in our lifetimes, so here we are.

I think the same system, flawed as it is, is still strong enough to keep him from remotely getting close to a 3rd term.  

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4 minutes ago, Elvis said:

How long has it been since it's been "safe" to cross the border like that?

Unfortunately the answer seems to revolve around whether you look Mexican-American (possibly get fucked with) or Euro-American (they want to sell you stuff but they don't need your senator fucking with business.) Yeah I know about the blond dude that cult killed.

I don't really like Matamoros because I don't know it well, plus it seems sticky. Nuevo Laredo is usually where I cross. My first moves are usually: Buy a bottle of water from a drug store*, then find some dude looking to "guide" me (there he is, right on time,) I'll  ask him to take me where they sell comic books (because I know exactly where the kiosk is, a little further in by the park.) I walk to this known spot with my guide/keeper-away-of-other-guides, thank him, ask him to please accept this 20 pesos already in my shirt pocket, then I dawdle, looking at old magazines and comics.

Next up is to tip the halcones, who I suppose include the newspaper sellers and shoe-shiners. Have some polite interactions with them and a reasonable tip for a paper and a shine.

Then maybe a stroll on Guerrero (?) to the nearest bus station. Stay tf outta bars or any place with girls outside yelling for me to come in. Find a really nice tour bus that has paid its dues to the cartels, and float in luxury to Monterrey.

*dates back to my first visit to Mexico. Without the bottle, I am a hapless tourist wearing a sign that says "come annoy the shit out of me because of course I need 40 new hammocks." With the bottle (properly swinging inside the plastic bag) I don't know why, but the interactions suddenly change to normal.

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Dude, it isn't just Trump. It's the people behind him, and they saw what didn't work last time. They learned. In a matter of days they have illegally seized large parts of the US government with minimal resistance. Why the fuck wouldn't they be able mess with elections?

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1 hour ago, Foosters said:

lol

Imagine believing that the guy who did all of the above presents "no danger" and will not attempt to hold onto power. Just mind boggling stuff.

Anyone who thinks the person described in that should be placed in the most powerful position in the free world is an absolute disgrace to this country and is dumber than a bowl of hobo diarrhea. 

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