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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He has literally said that he is going to bring back all manufacturing to the US.  As in, all the automobile components made (for example) in Canada and Mexico will be manufactured in the US now.  Nevermind things like:

1) in what fucking factories?  Constructing/retooling a major manufacturing facility doesn't happen in a few weeks/months.  It's years.

2) and speaking of years, what sane person would invest money in shifting their entire manufacturing operation to a different country based on the erratic and mercurial moves of a madman?  The policies you'd base your decision on today will almost certainly change LITERALLY tomorrow, and 150 more times between now and whenever your factory would be up and running.

3) at what additional cost to the American consumer?  We like having cheaper auto parts that are built in Mexico by lower-cost labor because we like having cheaper cars.  Start paying more in labor (good UAW wages), that $500 part from Mexico is now $900-$1000 here.  Congrats, your car price just went up.  But wait....Trump says we'll take care of that, by leaning heavily on "robots and AI."  Cool....so then....what's the fucking point of bringing that factory over here?  We won't be getting more manufacturing jobs from it.  Which is it -- are the factories gonna bring lots of jobs (and increased prices), or are they gonna keep prices low by using robots and AI (but not adding any appreciable jobs)?

He has told us his supposed "reasoning."  It is all breathtakingly stupid.  Because....

...this.

Fuck it, I am waiting for this admin to make the economic case for restoring slavery.

On top of all that, we don’t currently have enough power generating capacity to power all of that manufacturing on top of all the bitcoin miners and AI farms.

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Just now, royiv said:

On top of all that, we don’t currently have enough power generating capacity to power all of that manufacturing on top of all the bitcoin miners and AI farms.

MOAR COAL!

Problem though....are YOU going to invest $500 million+ in building/revamping a coal power plant, knowing that your payback time on that investment is 20+ years on the short end?  

No sane source of capital is going to pour it into a coal plant.  And this admin is going to affirmatively attack the ability to build more wind or solar.  Dumbest.  Timeline.

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24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He has literally said that he is going to bring back all manufacturing to the US.  As in, all the automobile components made (for example) in Canada and Mexico will be manufactured in the US now.  Nevermind things like:

1) in what fucking factories?  Constructing/retooling a major manufacturing facility doesn't happen in a few weeks/months.  It's years.

2) and speaking of years, what sane person would invest money in shifting their entire manufacturing operation to a different country based on the erratic and mercurial moves of a madman?  The policies you'd base your decision on today will almost certainly change LITERALLY tomorrow, and 150 more times between now and whenever your factory would be up and running.

3) at what additional cost to the American consumer?  We like having cheaper auto parts that are built in Mexico by lower-cost labor because we like having cheaper cars.  Start paying more in labor (good UAW wages), that $500 part from Mexico is now $900-$1000 here.  Congrats, your car price just went up.  But wait....Trump says we'll take care of that, by leaning heavily on "robots and AI."  Cool....so then....what's the fucking point of bringing that factory over here?  We won't be getting more manufacturing jobs from it.  Which is it -- are the factories gonna bring lots of jobs (and increased prices), or are they gonna keep prices low by using robots and AI (but not adding any appreciable jobs)?

He has told us his supposed "reasoning."  It is all breathtakingly stupid.  Because....

...this.

Fuck it, I am waiting for this admin to make the economic case for restoring slavery.

We have 6 major manufacturing sites across the US. Every single site has a hiring and retention problem. Our manufacturing is hard, heavy work. On many instances, people will show up for one day and not show up again. Mostly, they'll work for 3 months and then quit because they found another easier job. And the ones who stay in manufacturing routinely get poached by other manufacturing companies because finding people who actually want to be in manufacturing long term is critical to your success. Our labor force is older and and only getting older. The younger generation don't want this work.

Plus our int'l manufacturing locations are much much easier to deal with. They can easily find workers and those workers are agreeable to increase and/or change their work scopes. Trying to get the US unions to take on more work comes down to how much more blood (money, increase costs) are we willing to give.

Just like how consumers "say" they want to buy American vs foreign made, that conviction lasts right up to them choosing the lower costs items which are mostly all foreign made.

The idea is romantic. It's just not ever going to happen.

 

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58 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

Seriously, what's the point in any of the shit the piece of shit and his cronies are doing? Is there an endgame other than just chaos?

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

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1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

Tesla can’t compete with BYD. They’re getting their ass handed to them in China.

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Posted
1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

You’re high if you think china will do anything for TSLA.  He’s going to get a government bailout.

 

China is way ahead in EV among other areas.  BYD is cheaper by like 70 percent already? 

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Just now, Hefeweizen said:

You’re high if you think china will do anything for TSLA.  He’s going to get a government bailout.

 

China is way ahead in EV among other areas.  BYD is cheaper by like 70 percent already? 

China is kicking our ass on next gen evolution especially as it revolves around electric and solar. This administration made it clear that we are the old dinosaur adamantly relying on dinosaur sauce (oil). We are going to milk oil so that oil barons can die rich while fucking their grand children and their grand children.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Celery Man said:

I’ve largely retreated into my own life and have tried to focus on small children and my work and shit like that, so I don’t follow everything great. Why did we choose Canada for our next Cold War?

because Melania and Ivanka both want to fuck Trudeau.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

because Melania and Ivanka both want to fuck Trudeau.

Melania really is the Helen of Troy of our epoch and Trump the modern Agamemnon. 

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11 hours ago, crash_davis said:

We have 6 major manufacturing sites across the US. Every single site has a hiring and retention problem. Our manufacturing is hard, heavy work. On many instances, people will show up for one day and not show up again. Mostly, they'll work for 3 months and then quit because they found another easier job. And the ones who stay in manufacturing routinely get poached by other manufacturing companies because finding people who actually want to be in manufacturing long term is critical to your success. Our labor force is older and and only getting older. The younger generation don't want this work.

Plus our int'l manufacturing locations are much much easier to deal with. They can easily find workers and those workers are agreeable to increase and/or change their work scopes. Trying to get the US unions to take on more work comes down to how much more blood (money, increase costs) are we willing to give.

Just like how consumers "say" they want to buy American vs foreign made, that conviction lasts right up to them choosing the lower costs items which are mostly all foreign made.

The idea is romantic. It's just not ever going to happen.

 

We have a bunch of prisoners sitting around.  “Made in Folsom” would sell like hot cakes. 

Posted
24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

BREAKING: China Just Canceled All U.S. Beef Contracts—Buying from Canada & Brazil Instead

Trump’s trade war tantrum just cost American farmers billions—China is officially cutting off U.S. beef and shifting its business to Canada and Brazil.

🔥 $21 billion in American agricultural exports? GONE.

🔥 China’s tariffs on U.S. beef? Up to 15%.

🔥 Meanwhile, Canada & Brazil are laughing their way to the bank.

🔴 American ranchers just got screwed.

🔴 Trump’s chest-thumping on tariffs just handed China an easy excuse to ditch the U.S. market.

🔴 MAGA “patriots” who cheered the trade war? Congrats—your beef industry just got bodied.

But hey, tariffs are “winning,” right? 

Let’s see how that plays out when U.S. farmers start begging for another bailout.

 

 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Elvis said:

We have a bunch of prisoners sitting around.  “Made in Folsom” would sell like hot cakes. 

Make slave labor great again!

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5 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

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So first of all - so great for all the US based champagne producers…
 

This is such a dumb way to run a country. It truly seems like he’s trying to crash the economy 

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. It's with strong likelihood and certainty that he's just a fucking moron. 

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When does the reciprocal tariff report come out?

He and his cronies believe European VAT is equivalent to a tariff on US goods. 
 

I fully expect him to announce significant tariffs on a significant amount of European goods when that report is released.

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Posted
9 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

BREAKING: China Just Canceled All U.S. Beef Contracts—Buying from Canada & Brazil Instead

Trump’s trade war tantrum just cost American farmers billions—China is officially cutting off U.S. beef and shifting its business to Canada and Brazil.

🔥 $21 billion in American agricultural exports? GONE.

🔥 China’s tariffs on U.S. beef? Up to 15%.

🔥 Meanwhile, Canada & Brazil are laughing their way to the bank.

🔴 American ranchers just got screwed.

🔴 Trump’s chest-thumping on tariffs just handed China an easy excuse to ditch the U.S. market.

🔴 MAGA “patriots” who cheered the trade war? Congrats—your beef industry just got bodied.

But hey, tariffs are “winning,” right? 

Let’s see how that plays out when U.S. farmers start begging for another bailout.

 

 

lolollol

On the bright side, we have $3 steaks to go with our $12 eggs.

Posted
3 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

On the bright side, we have $3 steaks to go with our $12 eggs.

Maybe for a couple of months until the heard is sold off and butchered. There is no way they can sustain with lower cattle prices. Probably will just get more subsidies.  The gop are just busy shuffling deck chairs at this point. 

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BMW corporate gonna eat the tariffs on cars built in Mexico, at least for a few weeks initially: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/bmw-absorb-tariff-costs-mexican-built-3-series-sedans-wsj-reports-2025-03-12/

Walmart pressuring Chinese suppliers to eat tariff costs, other supplies pressuring suppliers to pull up from China and relocate. Beijing big mad: https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/china-summons-walmart-for-talks-as-suppliers-complain-over-tariffs-dcafe7c4

 

 

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I'm probably the last one to realize this, but listening to a Jonah Goldberg interview, and his point is that the idea that tariffs is just stupid is well known, put the purposes of this is to increase the traffic to Mara Lago and thus the multimillions in graft. No better way to get bribes and post term rewards than individual industry reps coming in to beg for exemptions.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

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So first of all - so great for all the US based champagne producers…
 

This is such a dumb way to run a country. It truly seems like he’s trying to crash the economy 

Tariffs are hostile and abusive when other countries institute them, but big, beautiful and perfect when president big brain institutes them.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I'm probably the last one to realize this, but listening to a Jonah Goldberg interview, and his point is that the idea that tariffs is just stupid is well known, put the purposes of this is to increase the traffic to Mara Lago and thus the multimillions in graft. No better way to get bribes and post term rewards than individual industry reps coming in to beg for exemptions.  

This.  It is absolutely a way for people/enterprises in the regime's favor (and favor can be purchased for the low, low price of a $20 million "reservation" at Mar A Lago or somesuch) to obtain special treatment (hey, YOU don't have to pay the tariff).  It's a path to grift and bribery.  All roads lead to grift and bribery.  That's how regimes like this work.

But folks like Ana, who are TOTALLY against corruption, and think we need to "burn it all down," think this is fantastic and brilliant and 20-D chess.  

The fact that adult humans cannot see the obvious in front of them continues to amaze me, no matter how many times it happens.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

Trump threatens 200% tariff on European alcohol as trade war escalates

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/13/business/alcohol-tariffs-eu-trump-trade-war

I just bought a bottle of Scotch this past weekend. Guess I'll sip it slowly. There are plenty of good wines from here, but I do love a good Rioja or Chianti. 

Do I pay the markup to buy Rioja at 200% or do I drink some shitty California Tempranillo? 
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I guess the future tariffs on wine from California will make the decision easier.

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So basically, when Trump is done tariffing every item and country on the planet, all trade with other countries will slowly cease and we will only be able to purchase items from the US which will be more expensive than we are used to since US companies won’t be able to sell their products worldwide?  Seems like a genius plan.  

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21 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

So basically, when Trump is done tariffing every item and country on the planet, all trade with other countries will slowly cease and we will only be able to purchase items from the US which will be more expensive than we are used to since US companies won’t be able to sell their products worldwide?  Seems like a genius plan.  

bruh

Posted
2 hours ago, immamac said:

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. It's with strong likelihood and certainty that he's just a fucking moron. 

That's being fed greviences towards our allies from Russia and Fox News.

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22 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

I wouldn't count on China if I was Leon.

China Cools on Musk: ‘Two Cars for the Price of One Tesla’

https://dnyuz.com/2025/03/13/china-cools-on-musk-two-cars-for-the-price-of-one-tesla/

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Posted
1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I wouldn't count on China if I was Leon.

China Cools on Musk: ‘Two Cars for the Price of One Tesla’

https://dnyuz.com/2025/03/13/china-cools-on-musk-two-cars-for-the-price-of-one-tesla/

China is absolutely eating the world’s lunch on electric vehicles.  And they’ve done so through state subsidies for their industry and extractive agreements with Western companies looking to build/sell in China.  Same pattern with solar energy. 
 

This is actually the arena where the U.S. should be looking to impose punishing tariffs along with other advanced countries.  Trump’s tariff tantrums absolutely send the world running to China.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

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So first of all - so great for all the US based champagne producers…
 

This is such a dumb way to run a country. It truly seems like he’s trying to crash the economy 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, immamac said:

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. It's with strong likelihood and certainty that he's just a fucking moron. 

1000%.  He's just that stupid.  Beyond the corruption, crassness, and cruelty I think it's the topmost reason he should have been unelectable.  Alas.

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So with all this new tariff $ now going to the Treasury, and DOGE slashing costs across the government....ol cheetohead is going to cut income taxes for us, dollar for dollar....right?

guys???

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Posted
2 minutes ago, freyguy said:

So with all this new tariff $ now going to the Treasury, and DOGE slashing costs across the government....ol cheetohead is going to cut income taxes for us, dollar for dollar....right?

guys???

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2 minutes ago, freyguy said:

So with all this new tariff $ now going to the Treasury, and DOGE slashing costs across the government....ol cheetohead is going to cut income taxes for us, dollar for dollar....right?

guys???

Haven't you heard. He's gonna eliminate all income tax and fund everything with tariffs, because that worked so well in the past. 

Posted
4 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

Trump threatens 200% tariff on European alcohol as trade war escalates

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/13/business/alcohol-tariffs-eu-trump-trade-war

I just bought a bottle of Scotch this past weekend. Guess I'll sip it slowly. There are plenty of good wines from here, but I do love a good Rioja or Chianti. 

Don't worry, Scotland is not part of the EU, so you're safe on that front.  

Posted
6 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

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Dammit! I should’ve placed those domestic Thunderbird wine options..

Trump, being a keen student of American history, knows how much everybody loved prohibition, so limiting alcohol choices and increasing alcohol costs has to be very popular…..since all of us are about to be force-placed evangelicals.

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15 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

BREAKING: China Just Canceled All U.S. Beef Contracts—Buying from Canada & Brazil Instead

Trump’s trade war tantrum just cost American farmers billions—China is officially cutting off U.S. beef and shifting its business to Canada and Brazil.

🔥 $21 billion in American agricultural exports? GONE.

🔥 China’s tariffs on U.S. beef? Up to 15%.

🔥 Meanwhile, Canada & Brazil are laughing their way to the bank.

🔴 American ranchers just got screwed.

🔴 Trump’s chest-thumping on tariffs just handed China an easy excuse to ditch the U.S. market.

🔴 MAGA “patriots” who cheered the trade war? Congrats—your beef industry just got bodied.

But hey, tariffs are “winning,” right? 

Let’s see how that plays out when U.S. farmers start begging for another bailout.

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See March 3rd article.  I have to think that they were gonna wind up doing this anyway, but Trump’s fucking around gave them a reason to do it now.

Posted
19 hours ago, bluto said:

Where’s @Royalfan5, he’s an insider 

Busy getting margin from my cattle feeders mostly. Mostly because we are more sold at these prices because slowdowns are bad for beef consumption and cattle prices even if we are down on numbers 

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