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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Super Dumb question amnesty requested:

It is my understanding it is actually Congress who is able to levy tariffs. When he announces tariffs via EO, or Twitter, or whatever the fuck, who is enforcing those at the ports (or wherever they get implemented)?  Couldn’t the companies importing shit just NOT add on the purported tariffs and go on with their normal course of business?  

Congress has unwisely delegated much tariff power to the executive, originally preserving a legislative veto (a "veto" at any time based on a majority vote).  The legislative veto was ruled unconstitutional in another setting, but Congress did nothing to curtail the delegated power.  More here. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/can-congress-reverse-trump's-tariffs

Some tariffs, like "anti-dumping" countervailing duties, are imposed by the International Trade Commission, with approval of the President.

CBP is part of DHS, an executive agency, so they're going to do whatever POTUS tells them, or Congress, or the ITC (another executive agency), or what-have-you.

The ITC is the US entity that imposes rational tariffs.  They also publish a ton of reports on trade. usitc.gov 

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11 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

 

This guy is gonna back down 90 times and they're gonna claim victories.  Guaranteed.

My favorite will be when he puts the Iran deal that he canceled back in place, only it's worse.

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

My favorite will be when he puts the Iran deal that he canceled back in place, only it's worse.

That would require way too much competence. And anyway Iran would be a fool to negotiate anything with the United States again, we don't honor our agreements.

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57 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

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Looks like China is really going to make Trump beg or just unilaterally fold.  

Reality has no relevance to what the Trump regime claims.

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3 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

We are actually giving China the moral high ground, in addition to the most-powerful-nation-in-the-world status.

Shrewd.  Brilliant business.  We should open a casino.

The same guy who has bankrupted multiple casinos makes China look like the good guy. He really has a knack for the art of the deal.

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1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

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Looks like China is really going to make Trump beg or just unilaterally fold.  

I heard all the talking heads reacting to this, and I’m confused about why it’s news. The White House has been begging China for a meeting for weeks to no avail.
They walked Trump into this situation. They aren’t going to walk him out. 

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Jeff Tiedrich is always a good read:



”you know in uh 1913 they traded to the income tax system. we used to be all tariff. and we had no income tax and we had the wealthiest country we ever had proportionately from about 1870 to 1913, it was all tariffs, and we did— we had more money than anybody.”

who do you mean ‘we,’ white man? pro tip: when Donny says ‘we,’ he’s not talking about you and me. he’s talking about his own greedy self, and his oligarch buddies: the Space Nazi, Granny-Starvin’ Howie Lutnick, Dick-Rocket Jeff Bezos, and all the tax-cut-seeking gazillionaires who have been funneling multi-million dollar nod-nod-wink-wink ‘donations’ into Dear Leader’s pockets.
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1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

When you realize you have gotten to the point where you believe the Chinese over your own country.

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22 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I heard all the talking heads reacting to this, and I’m confused about why it’s news. The White House has been begging China for a meeting for weeks to no avail.
They walked Trump into this situation. They aren’t going to walk him out. 

They talk about it because every time Trump says something about lowering tariffs, the markets jump (and vice versa).  

Markets:

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27 minutes ago, yoladu said:

When you realize you have gotten to the point where you believe the Chinese over your own country.

When your President believes Russian intel over his very own Country’s. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I heard all the talking heads reacting to this, and I’m confused about why it’s news. The White House has been begging China for a meeting for weeks to no avail.
They walked Trump into this situation. They aren’t going to walk him out. 

Trump painted himself into a corner.  And us with him.  Only he has the corruption/grift to avoid all of the pain he has created for everyone else.   

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52 minutes ago, yoladu said:

When you realize you have gotten to the point where you believe the Chinese over your own country.

Thats what happens when “your own country” lies about things every single day to the press. This administration has zero credibility, and yes, it’s much easier to believe that we’re nowhere near any “deals” on trade. 

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55 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Karoline, Brisket ordering lunch at P.F. Chang's doesn't count as "staff" negotiations.  

FUCK YOU.  I don't eat that PF Changs shit.  I go to real-deal chinese joints.  The kinda places you can get chicken feet and stewed tripe and legit dumplings.

In other words, I am 1,000 times more qualified -- and more likely to be successful -- in any trade negotiations with China than any fucking member of this current clownshow admin would be.

We just keep repeatedly shooting ourselves in the dick, slapping another magazine in the gun when we burn through the previous mag, and begging China out loud "won't you stop me from doing this?"  China's response...

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1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

They talk about it because every time Trump says something about lowering tariffs, the markets jump (and vice versa).  

Markets:

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I guess markets believe Trump and not China bc stocks up over the last two days.

Smart money on it taking a shit pretty soon when someone with credibility (do those exist?) comes out to confirm there’s no discussion and that was a bold faced lie to pump up the markets and get the heat off the administration for their disappearing shenanigans 

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34 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

I guess markets believe Trump and not China bc stocks up over the last two days.

Or maybe the markets believe what most folks around here believe: it doesn't matter who's telling the whole truth right now, the most likely outcome is that Trump will cave and call it a victory.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

FUCK YOU.  I don't eat that PF Changs shit.  I go to real-deal chinese joints.  The kinda places you can get chicken feet and stewed tripe and legit dumplings.

In other words, I am 1,000 times more qualified -- and more likely to be successful -- in any trade negotiations with China than any fucking member of this current clownshow admin would be.

We just keep repeatedly shooting ourselves in the dick, slapping another magazine in the gun when we burn through the previous mag, and begging China out loud "won't you stop me from doing this?"  China's response...

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I bet if I paid, you'd eat there.

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4 hours ago, TexArcher said:

We are actually giving China the moral high ground, in addition to the most-powerful-nation-in-the-world status.

Shrewd.  Brilliant business.  We should open a casino.


He’s the George Costanza of negotiating. You negotiated for LESS money?

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I go to real-deal chinese joints.  The kinda places you can get chicken feet and stewed tripe and legit dumplings.

Ain’t no Chinaman restaurant got legit dumplings. 
 

 

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