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8 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


is that your mailing address?

How do you think that I am able to tolerate posters like you? I’ve seen some stuff man. You are an amateur psycho. Ingest more tweets clown. 

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fucking idiot
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So wait…which is it…are we going make great, beautiful deals with 200 countries, so these tariffs that we are using for leverage will go down (and thus not yield much revenue), or are big, beautiful tariffs going to stay so high that they raise so much revenue (from US consumers, by the way) that they replace the income tax?
Dumbest. Fucking. Timeline.
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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

fucking idiot

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Except none of this is going to happen.  I take that back, we will have lower income taxes when our incomes themselves go to shit..  And manufacturing will continue to move out to tariff neutral countries....

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13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


So wait…which is it…are we going make great, beautiful deals with 200 countries, so these tariffs that we are using for leverage will go down (and thus not yield much revenue), or are big, beautiful tariffs going to stay so high that they raise so much revenue (from US consumers, by the way) that they replace the income tax?
Dumbest. Fucking. Timeline.

Do you even bonanza for America, bro?

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

fucking idiot

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Navarro must have gotten to him again+He had a few green market days last week= he’s back on his tariff horse. 
 

It’ll take another big red dip before Bessent can talk some sense into him. It’s basically been like this since 1/20.

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I cycle with some older people and yesterday I made the comment about new bikes going up since we get our carbon fiber from China and 3 of them said China is backing down. I then spent 10 minutes showing them that wasn’t the case. I really feel like they listened. Lol 

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16 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

I believe him when he says many people will have their income tax eliminated - 30% of $0 of income = $0 income tax.

#winning

And I believe him when he says the focus will be on people making less than 200k. To be paying all the tariffs. 

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43 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

I cycle with some older people and yesterday I made the comment about new bikes going up since we get our carbon fiber from China and 3 of them said China is backing down. I then spent 10 minutes showing them that wasn’t the case. I really feel like they listened. Lol 

And then they went home, turned on OAN and forgot EVERYTHING you told them.

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8 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

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public service announcement: if you were ever gonna cheat on your taxes, now is exactly the time to do it.  The IRS is gutted.

 

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22 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

The shelves at Albertson’s are going to be pretty bare. Grocery margins are already super thin and I don’t think suppliers are going to want to sell at a loss.

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How do grocery contracts work?  What's their term?

Also, more broadly, how are tariff increases typically handled in commercial contracts?  My guess would be the buyer is responsible for all applicable taxes applied by the destination country.

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37 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

How do grocery contracts work?  What's their term?

Also, more broadly, how are tariff increases typically handled in commercial contracts?  My guess would be the buyer is responsible for all applicable taxes applied by the destination country.

The short version is that commodity products are priced by market forces in real time and fundamentally subject to demand.
The long answer is extremely complex and the extremely long, but relatively straightforward in that you can’t price in what the market won’t accept, so who ends up wearing the cost increase comes down to 1) elasticity, 2) who has leverage and, 3 on the other hand, who has the balance sheet to use a secular cost increases to consolidate share. 
The bigger and stronger a player is, the most likely it is that for inelastic goods  they eat cost or even lower prices to take share unless they think nobody else can. 

Contracts are unimportant. Most high volume relationships are done on what amounts to papered up handshake. 

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Met up yesterday w/ my buddy who's trying to sell his home in Westlake so he & his wife can settle permanently in the PNW. The tariffs have fucked him twice w/ buyer's backing out during the option period due to the market volatility.

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So how bad is this gonna get, and for how long?

What I mean is, some items will be easier than other to start making here, or to find other arrangements for, besides China.

How long will our shelves be empty, and of which products specifically?  Clothing and electronics seem obvious, but what about medications and other essentials?

I have food and water for about 6 weeks, and toilet paper and paper towels for maybe twice that long.  What else do we need to be doing?

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7 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

So how bad is this gonna get, and for how long?

What I mean is, some items will be easier than other to start making here, or to find other arrangements for, besides China.

How long will our shelves be empty, and of which products specifically?  Clothing and electronics seem obvious, but what about medications and other essentials?

I have food and water for about 6 weeks, and toilet paper and paper towels for maybe twice that long.  What else do we need to be doing?

Shortages would be the least of our problems in the “bad” scenario. 

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21 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


 

Seems bad

I know what's eatin' you, kid. But I got two thousand dues-payin' members in my local— that's seventy-two thousand a year legitimate and when each one of 'em puts in a couple of bucks a day to make sure they work steady— well, you figure it out. And that's just for openers. We got the fattest piers in the fattest harbor in the world. Everything that moves in and out— we take our cut.

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23 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I know what's eatin' you, kid. But I got two thousand dues-payin' members in my local— that's seventy-two thousand a year legitimate and when each one of 'em puts in a couple of bucks a day to make sure they work steady— well, you figure it out. And that's just for openers. We got the fattest piers in the fattest harbor in the world. Everything that moves in and out— we take our cut.

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8 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

This is going to leave a mark ...

How long until Jeff gets summoned to the Oval Office to have a little chat?

Yeah, no way this administration is going to let Bezos go through with that. That will reach every American--even the most politically ignorant. I don't know how you grease the palms off someone worth 12 digits, but they'll find a way.

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7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, no way this administration is going to let Bezos go through with that. That will reach every American--even the most politically ignorant. I don't know how you grease the palms off someone worth 12 digits, but they'll find a way.

Maybe boosting/aiding his investment in Slate or Blue Origin? Might be a two birds, one stone gambit. Reduce Elmo's troubling Tesla fiasco attention and give them something to divert eyes away from the tariff fiasco.

 

In the meantime....

As I go on rambling walks, I pass by homes and apartments that range from very low SES to many million dollar lots. I've got my eye on a hoarder house where the resident has been stockpiling rolls of toilet paper that have now taken up the entire back of an old Chevy (old enough to have a metal topper so the interior is visible). My only archaeological experience is from a freshman level elective, but if one looks at the layers I believe it is COVID era. Since the paper is still in plastic, I'm somewhat confident that any hoarding pathogens haven't contaminated it.

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Tariffs. Working so great that now the government may subsidize automakers:

 

https://www.theverge.com/cars/657736/trump-continues-his-tariff-retreat-with-a-new-deal-for-automakers

 

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Trump continues his tariff retreat with a new deal for automakers.More incoming tariff flip-flopping from the White House, The Wall Street Journal reports today. Trump is expected to rollback some duties on automakers so they don’t end up paying for multiple tariffs on materials like on steel and aluminum. You know, they stuff they usually make cars out of. And here’s the kicker: Trump may end up actually reimbursing some car companies for their tariffs based on the value of the vehicle! Folks, this is what real leadership looks like. According to the Journal:

 

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The administration will also modify its tariffs on foreign auto parts—slated to be 25% and effective May 3—allowing automakers to be reimbursed for those tariffs up to an amount equal to 3.75% of the value of a U.S.-made car for one year. The reimbursement would fall to 2.5% of the car’s value in a second year, and then be phased out altogether.

 

 

 

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This is going to leave a mark ...
How long until Jeff gets summoned to the Oval Office to have a little chat?

What did it say?

Looks like it’s been deleted.
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31 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

This is going to leave a mark ...

How long until Jeff gets summoned to the Oval Office to have a little chat?

Can't wait for the surly business leader community to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to find a way to justify the government directly telling a business what to say and how to run it's business 

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The Wall Street Journal posted this nifty vid explaining all the auto related tariffs that Trump is going to walk back (or greatly modify) today.  It's 8 minutes long, and everyone here is Mensa-level, so they already know the details, but it's still great to visualize just how fucked the auto industry was/is/could be:

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


What did it say?

Looks like it’s been deleted.

Something fucky is going on over on Bluesky.  A lot of posts about this (Amazon to show tariff costs to consumers) seem to be intermittently showing as deleted.  Another one here (but seems to have the same issue):

Apparently God-Emperor Trump has declared it "a hostile and political act."  I guess we'll see shortly if Bezos has any balls ...

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Wasn't Bezos one of the TechBros that bent the knee to trump during the election and after? I'm kind of shocked he is going this route.

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37 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Tariffs. Working so great that now the government may subsidize automakers:

 

https://www.theverge.com/cars/657736/trump-continues-his-tariff-retreat-with-a-new-deal-for-automakers

This whole strategy of "wrecking industries and then giving them lots of money we don't have" seems unsustainable.

2 minutes ago, Thrawn said:

Wasn't Bezos one of the TechBros that bent the knee to trump during the election and after? I'm kind of shocked he is going this route.

He was angry Musk got more power he did.

But I think he is seeing where the wind is blowing now. 

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3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The truth is a hostile and political act to an organization headed by a convicted scam artist whose lifeblood is lies.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Transparency in pricing is now a hostile act. JFC.

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