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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He has literally said that he is going to bring back all manufacturing to the US.  As in, all the automobile components made (for example) in Canada and Mexico will be manufactured in the US now.  Nevermind things like:

1) in what fucking factories?  Constructing/retooling a major manufacturing facility doesn't happen in a few weeks/months.  It's years.

2) and speaking of years, what sane person would invest money in shifting their entire manufacturing operation to a different country based on the erratic and mercurial moves of a madman?  The policies you'd base your decision on today will almost certainly change LITERALLY tomorrow, and 150 more times between now and whenever your factory would be up and running.

3) at what additional cost to the American consumer?  We like having cheaper auto parts that are built in Mexico by lower-cost labor because we like having cheaper cars.  Start paying more in labor (good UAW wages), that $500 part from Mexico is now $900-$1000 here.  Congrats, your car price just went up.  But wait....Trump says we'll take care of that, by leaning heavily on "robots and AI."  Cool....so then....what's the fucking point of bringing that factory over here?  We won't be getting more manufacturing jobs from it.  Which is it -- are the factories gonna bring lots of jobs (and increased prices), or are they gonna keep prices low by using robots and AI (but not adding any appreciable jobs)?

He has told us his supposed "reasoning."  It is all breathtakingly stupid.  Because....

...this.

Fuck it, I am waiting for this admin to make the economic case for restoring slavery.

On top of all that, we don’t currently have enough power generating capacity to power all of that manufacturing on top of all the bitcoin miners and AI farms.

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Just now, royiv said:

On top of all that, we don’t currently have enough power generating capacity to power all of that manufacturing on top of all the bitcoin miners and AI farms.

MOAR COAL!

Problem though....are YOU going to invest $500 million+ in building/revamping a coal power plant, knowing that your payback time on that investment is 20+ years on the short end?  

No sane source of capital is going to pour it into a coal plant.  And this admin is going to affirmatively attack the ability to build more wind or solar.  Dumbest.  Timeline.

Posted (edited)
24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He has literally said that he is going to bring back all manufacturing to the US.  As in, all the automobile components made (for example) in Canada and Mexico will be manufactured in the US now.  Nevermind things like:

1) in what fucking factories?  Constructing/retooling a major manufacturing facility doesn't happen in a few weeks/months.  It's years.

2) and speaking of years, what sane person would invest money in shifting their entire manufacturing operation to a different country based on the erratic and mercurial moves of a madman?  The policies you'd base your decision on today will almost certainly change LITERALLY tomorrow, and 150 more times between now and whenever your factory would be up and running.

3) at what additional cost to the American consumer?  We like having cheaper auto parts that are built in Mexico by lower-cost labor because we like having cheaper cars.  Start paying more in labor (good UAW wages), that $500 part from Mexico is now $900-$1000 here.  Congrats, your car price just went up.  But wait....Trump says we'll take care of that, by leaning heavily on "robots and AI."  Cool....so then....what's the fucking point of bringing that factory over here?  We won't be getting more manufacturing jobs from it.  Which is it -- are the factories gonna bring lots of jobs (and increased prices), or are they gonna keep prices low by using robots and AI (but not adding any appreciable jobs)?

He has told us his supposed "reasoning."  It is all breathtakingly stupid.  Because....

...this.

Fuck it, I am waiting for this admin to make the economic case for restoring slavery.

We have 6 major manufacturing sites across the US. Every single site has a hiring and retention problem. Our manufacturing is hard, heavy work. On many instances, people will show up for one day and not show up again. Mostly, they'll work for 3 months and then quit because they found another easier job. And the ones who stay in manufacturing routinely get poached by other manufacturing companies because finding people who actually want to be in manufacturing long term is critical to your success. Our labor force is older and and only getting older. The younger generation don't want this work.

Plus our int'l manufacturing locations are much much easier to deal with. They can easily find workers and those workers are agreeable to increase and/or change their work scopes. Trying to get the US unions to take on more work comes down to how much more blood (money, increase costs) are we willing to give.

Just like how consumers "say" they want to buy American vs foreign made, that conviction lasts right up to them choosing the lower costs items which are mostly all foreign made.

The idea is romantic. It's just not ever going to happen.

 

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Posted (edited)
58 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

Seriously, what's the point in any of the shit the piece of shit and his cronies are doing? Is there an endgame other than just chaos?

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

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Posted
1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

Tesla can’t compete with BYD. They’re getting their ass handed to them in China.

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Posted
1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

putin is a heavy heavy influence on the orange dumb ass. i can easily see putin and his minions slapping dumb ass on the back on all these wild decisions. 

china is a heavy heavy influence on musk. china's market might be the only lifeline out there for tesla ?  

You’re high if you think china will do anything for TSLA.  He’s going to get a government bailout.

 

China is way ahead in EV among other areas.  BYD is cheaper by like 70 percent already? 

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Just now, Hefeweizen said:

You’re high if you think china will do anything for TSLA.  He’s going to get a government bailout.

 

China is way ahead in EV among other areas.  BYD is cheaper by like 70 percent already? 

China is kicking our ass on next gen evolution especially as it revolves around electric and solar. This administration made it clear that we are the old dinosaur adamantly relying on dinosaur sauce (oil). We are going to milk oil so that oil barons can die rich while fucking their grand children and their grand children.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Celery Man said:

I’ve largely retreated into my own life and have tried to focus on small children and my work and shit like that, so I don’t follow everything great. Why did we choose Canada for our next Cold War?

because Melania and Ivanka both want to fuck Trudeau.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

because Melania and Ivanka both want to fuck Trudeau.

Melania really is the Helen of Troy of our epoch and Trump the modern Agamemnon. 

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