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American Airlines flight 5342 (CRJ) collides with Army UH-60 at DCA.


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3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:


The FAA does recruit military controllers. The FAA runs a training academy in Oklahoma City.

 

2 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well no wonder they're having trouble recruiting!

 

As part of a leadership program I got a tour of Tinker AFB including their modern state of the art tower and near billion dollar tower training simulator and it was pretty badass. If you're a real airplane nerd I bet you could find yourself happy in OKC for that program, if that's where it's held.

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They were still doing recovery from what I could tell on my evening walk. Lot of boat traffic off of Bolling.

I’m not up to date on dive recovery operations; my specialty is sarin/tabun/polonium-212, fire, ECMO and drugs. But the last I remember was regardless of depth, NFPA sets a limit for how long someone can be submerged on air. No way they have enough qualified divers. In the DC and Baltimore FD’s to attack this kind of mission.
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2 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:


I’m not up to date on dive recovery operations; my specialty is sarin/tabun/polonium-212, fire, ECMO and drugs. But the last I remember was regardless of depth, NFPA sets a limit for how long someone can be submerged on air. No way they have enough qualified divers. In the DC and Baltimore FD’s to attack this kind of mission.

I don’t know what they were actually doing, just a lot of boat traffic off Bolling at a time of year when the Potomac is usually pretty quiet. Lots of Powerboats zipping around Haines Point today.

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I don’t know what they were actually doing, just a lot of boat traffic off Bolling at a time of year when the Potomac is usually pretty quiet. Lots of Powerboats zipping around Haines Point today.

I wasn’t arguing your observation at all, just offering my limited insight into those operations. This will be a very lengthy process
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3 hours ago, Royalfan5 said:

As a guy who doesn't know anything about ATC, where do we find the people for those jobs, do they come out of the military or elsewhere, because I can't imagine wanting the job where you can kill a bunch of people if you fuck up badly enough. Seeing prices go up and down in ag commodities is more than enough for me. 

 

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

There are apparently a couple of universities that offer majors in ATC now.  This happened thanks to a push from the FAA, who didn't have enough facilities to train enough people.  

 

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

there's been a headcount shortage for years and there's also repeating waves of retirements that happen due to a lot of ATCs all being hired at the same time in the early 1980s and all aging out at the same time. which then necessitates a big wave of hiring, and all of them age out at about the same time. repeat every 25 or so years.

Definitely a shortage of pilots and atc.

My son is in school to get his R-ATP. He's only 18 and will graduate college at 20 (too young to fly) and the airlines are tripping over themselves to get him in their program.

Same program has ATC training. Same situation. And if you decide to do ATC and Quality, you're set for life (under the current rules).

 

There was a gap when ATC and Pilots made no bank, so nobody went into the field... And it's expensive as fuck to get hours outside of the military... But only so many can fly military and... Wallah... Shortage.

 

My understanding from listening and from the flight path is that the heli was in the wrong.

DCA airspace sucks ass... I've diverted from there a couple times.

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36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

As part of a leadership program I got a tour of Tinker AFB including their modern state of the art tower and near billion dollar tower training simulator and it was pretty badass. If you're a real airplane nerd I bet you could find yourself happy in OKC for that program, if that's where it's held.


Tinker has some bas ass shit, indeed.

Although if you knew some of the aircraft and their roles, you’d never get within 300 miles of the place.

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Info on the people on the plane. Many were parts of US figure skating teams returning from training. 

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Fourteen members of the figure skating community were passengers on an American Airlines jet that collided with an Army helicopter near Ronald Reagan National Airport and crashed into the Potomac River in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, according to Skating Club of Boston executive director Doug Zeghibe.

The flight carried 60 passengers and four crew members, while an Army official said three soldiers were aboard the helicopter.

Washington fire chief John Donnelly said Thursday morning that it is not believed that there were any survivors and that efforts had shifted to a recovery operation.

Zeghibe said six members or associates of the Skating Club of Boston were killed in the crash, including teenage skaters Jinna Han and Spencer Lane. Their mothers, Jin Han and Christine Lane, as well as their coaches Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov were also killed.

Han and Lane, who was about 16, were returning from the U.S. Figure Skating Championships.

"We watched Jinna just grow up here from just a tiny little tyke into this amazingly mature 13-year-old," Zeghibe said. "A great performer, a great competitor, and off the ice, a great kid."

Also killed were Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov, who won the pairs title at the 1994 world championships and competed twice in the Olympics. They were listed as coaching at the Boston club.

"Skating is a very close and tight-knit community. These kids and their parents, they're here at our facility in Norwood, six, sometimes seven days a week. It's a close, tight bond," Zeghibe said. "This will have long-reaching impacts for our skating community."

Alexandr Kirsanov and two youth ice skaters whom he coached were on board the flight, Kirsanov's wife, Natalya Gudin, told ABC News.

The Philadelphia Skating Club & Humane Society said in a post on social media that "beloved members" of its team were on the plane. The group did not say how many members were on the plane.

U.S. Figure Skating said the skaters were returning from a developmental camp that followed the U.S. Figure Skating Championships over the weekend in Wichita, Kansas.

 

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37 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Info on the people on the plane. Many were parts of US figure skating teams returning from training. 

 

Fucking tragic.  In the end, it all boils down to human error in the face of some pretty overwhelming odds of heavy air traffic in a relatively tight space.

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