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  On 1/30/2025 at 5:55 PM, Sawbonz said:
Could a helo fly into a target moving that fast if they wanted to?
or are they saying someone in ATC put the 2 aircraft on a collision course?

It would take some amazing timing for that to occur. It wasn’t like the Helo was orbiting in the area working to time an intercept. I didn’t look at details but it appears the Helo was keeping the same forward speed on the flight tracking apps.

ATC could try and do that. Military weapons systems have software to help controllers guide pilots to intercept other aircraft. The FAA doesn’t.
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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 7:10 PM, Sawbonz said:

Yes but quarantining it in a separate thread means the usual denizens will avoid it and it reinforces their belief that it’s not pertinent 

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eh not really... most people will still read it, they'll just pretend they don't so they can still ignore.

*waves* lol

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  On 1/30/2025 at 7:49 PM, Leeroy Jenkins said:


It would take some amazing timing for that to occur. It wasn’t like the Helo was orbiting in the area working to time an intercept. I didn’t look at details but it appears the Helo was keeping the same forward speed on the flight tracking apps.

ATC could try and do that. Military weapons systems have software to help controllers guide pilots to intercept other aircraft. The FAA doesn’t.

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Good input. As @Captainant stated, we're looking at the result of the holes in the Swiss cheese model finally lining up, and, of course, it is catastrophic. Task saturation, complacency, normalization of deviancy, environment. There will be multiple causal and contributing factors and no shortage of assignation of blame to go around. At the end of the day, it's up the people in charge to own the problem and create a solution and I'm not at all confident that the people in charge have the desire or capability to come up with an intelligent resolution. Please prove me wrong. 

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 7:31 AM, DaysOff said:

Yes, but what if Ted Cruz had to be driven to Dulles on a getaway Friday in the back of a limousine. The horror.

Nailed it. That obese neckbeard wants more DCA slots now.91ee6e9bbd075cb3ba121770989bbf42.jpg
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  On 1/30/2025 at 9:47 PM, DaysOff said:


Nailed it. That obese neckbeard wants more DCA slots now.91ee6e9bbd075cb3ba121770989bbf42.jpg

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In complete fairness--and I really can't believe you're making me stick up for Ted fuckface Cruz--it's only five slots.  And the slots haven't yet been activated.  So Cruz's advocacy for five additional slots didn't have anything to do with this crash.

 

Goddamnit--now I need a fucking shower.

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 7:07 PM, bolverk said:

How would you describe what's going on when the members of a single political party rally around their leader and sing, as a chorus, the tune of "Blame Diversity" with the clear implication that diversity means incompetence? That is a partisan talking point.

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Over the past 25 years, the rot has spread from the christian nationalist "preachers" to the rest of their party. That's how I describe it.

 

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And today the President blames for the crash...

DEI, Biden, and Obama

Of fucking course. God damn single digital IQ Americans who buy this shit

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But within minutes, he launched into a series of accusations, linking his long-running complaints about hiring practices to the disaster that unfolded on a clear night over the Potomac.

When a reporter challenged the president on how he could say that diversity hiring was to blame for the crash even though basic facts about the midair collision were still being sought by investigators, he said: “I have common sense, OK, and unfortunately a lot of people don’t. We want brilliant people to do this.”

“For some jobs, we need the highest level of genius,” he said.

Of the F.A.A. under Mr. Obama, Mr. Trump said: “They actually came out with a directive, too white.” At another point he quoted from the website of the F.A.A., which he said indicated that the agency was looking to hire people with disabilities, including “hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism,” and said that they “all qualified for the position of a controller of airplanes pouring into our country.”

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 10:07 PM, DaysOff said:

We need fewer DCA slots. Like zero total.

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You’re not ever going to put that genie back in the bottle. There’s way too many dollars flowing to senators from out of perimeter states. On top of that, IAD is a dump and it’s 30 miles outside of DC proper.

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Sure the pilot might have been a white heterosexual man who isn't transgender, but many people are saying he would cry at the movie theater, which is woke and DEI

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Posted (edited)
  On 1/30/2025 at 7:39 PM, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Well some people around here get their fee fees hurt when news with a political aspect gets posted so I guess we gotta accommodate them...

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It’s not getting “fee fees” hurt, which is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard BTW.  it’s a deliberate attempt to avoid hearing what any politician has to say about anything. I don’t watch the news unless there is some “newsworthy” event that happens. I have no idea what Trump says about anything until someone posts it here in a DT thread. I don’t give a damn what politicians, any of them, have to say about anything but it gets dragged into every goddamn thread on this site. 

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 5:58 PM, Chuckie Finster said:

Just fucking rename this forum "MAGA Central" and get it over with. 

The fucking President of the United States is publicly blaming this plane crash on DEI and yet we aren't allowed to discuss that because ... reasons.

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... and it's still less than 24 hours since the crash.

Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 11:54 PM, Ted Lange said:

 

What a jackass

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What an absolute clownshow. I thought it was embarrassing the way he tweets. Now every insane deflection is going to be put into an executive memo that he finds out what's in as he's signing? 

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 10:33 PM, Hermanator said:

And today the President blames for the crash...

DEI, Biden, and Obama

Of fucking course. God damn single digital IQ Americans who buy this shit

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But within minutes, he launched into a series of accusations, linking his long-running complaints about hiring practices to the disaster that unfolded on a clear night over the Potomac.

When a reporter challenged the president on how he could say that diversity hiring was to blame for the crash even though basic facts about the midair collision were still being sought by investigators, he said: “I have common sense, OK, and unfortunately a lot of people don’t. We want brilliant people to do this.”

“For some jobs, we need the highest level of genius,” he said.

Of the F.A.A. under Mr. Obama, Mr. Trump said: “They actually came out with a directive, too white.” At another point he quoted from the website of the F.A.A., which he said indicated that the agency was looking to hire people with disabilities, including “hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism,” and said that they “all qualified for the position of a controller of airplanes pouring into our country.”

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TIL airplanes are illegal aliens

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  On 1/30/2025 at 11:53 PM, Hate said:

It’s not getting “fee fees” hurt, which is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard BTW.  it’s a deliberate attempt to avoid hearing what any politician has to say about anything. I don’t watch the news unless there is some “newsworthy” event that happens. I have no idea what Trump says about anything until someone posts it here in a DT thread. I don’t give a damn what politicians, any of them, have to say about anything but it gets dragged into every goddamn thread on this site. 

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Aw poor thing has to confront reality sometimes

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I hope the FAA person at the time of the incident looks like Powder so at a minimum someone, anyone, could say not DEI and maybe we could carry on like adults to look into the tragedy instead of trying to create a bullshit story out of thin air.

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Posted
  On 1/31/2025 at 12:54 AM, vtaenz said:

I hope the FAA person at the time of the incident looks like Powder so at a minimum someone, anyone, could say not DEI and maybe we could carry on like adults to look into the tragedy instead of trying to create a bullshit story out of thin air.

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I think they're invisible since IIRC he hadn't nominated anyone yet and the previous guy quit before inauguration day.

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 10:33 PM, Hermanator said:

And today the President blames for the crash...

DEI, Biden, and Obama

Of fucking course. God damn single digital IQ Americans who buy this shit

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  On 1/30/2025 at 10:44 PM, Steel Shank said:

^^^^ Wow!
@Hermanator, you got a source? I’d like to use that.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 10:57 PM, bolverk said:
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  On 1/30/2025 at 11:07 PM, Hermanator said:

The one I got it from is paywalled, but this gives some of it as well

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/plane-crash-trump-press-conference-dei-dca-figure-skating.html

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And lol, would ya look at that ...

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-provides-aviation-careers-people-disabilities

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FAA Provides Aviation Careers to People with Disabilities
Thursday, April 11, 2019
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a pilot program to help prepare people with disabilities for careers in air traffic operations.

A key focus for the FAA’s Office of Civil Rights is to identify specific opportunities for people with targeted disabilities, empower them and facilitate their entry into a more diverse and inclusive workforce.

 

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In the text of that release, 'targeted disabilities' bit was a link. I clicked on it, and got a 404-File not found message.       Interesting.

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  On 1/31/2025 at 1:10 AM, wood said:

And lol, would ya look at that ...

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-provides-aviation-careers-people-disabilities

In the text of that release, 'targeted disabilities' bit was a link. I clicked on it, and got a 404-File not found message.       Interesting.

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The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

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Posted (edited)
  On 1/31/2025 at 1:10 AM, wood said:

And lol, would ya look at that ...

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-provides-aviation-careers-people-disabilities

In the text of that release, 'targeted disabilities' bit was a link. I clicked on it, and got a 404-File not found message.       Interesting.

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Here is an archived version of that link: https://web.archive.org/web/20240204125304/https://www.faa.gov/pwdp

 

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Targeted Disabilities

The Secretary of Transportation has set a hiring goal of three (3) percent per fiscal year for individuals with targeted (severe) disabilities.

Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring. The targeted disabilities are:

  • Hearing (total deafness in both ears)
  • Vision (Blind)
  • Missing Extremities
  • Partial Paralysis
  • Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy
  • Severe intellectual disability
  • Psychiatric disability
  • Dwarfism

Individuals with targeted disabilities have the greatest difficulty obtaining employment. This is the only protected group for which Federal agencies may have a hiring goal.

 

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I'm going to assume that the blind and intellectual disabled wouldn't have necessarily been selected for the role of an air traffic controller, but I'm sure there are things that they could assist with in connection with air traffic control.  It seems like people with paralysis, missing extremities, and dwarfism could still fulfill the role of an air traffic controller assuming they are otherwise qualified. 

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Posted
  On 1/30/2025 at 11:54 PM, Ted Lange said:

 

What a jackass

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Eh, so, look at his face and reactions during that video. As I've suspected all along, he has no fucking idea what EOs these dipshits are bringing to him until they explain it to him. Then he goes 'Oh that seems like a good idea', and signs it. Holy fucking shit.

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  On 1/31/2025 at 1:17 AM, Dahobbs said:

Here is an archived version of that link: https://web.archive.org/web/20240204125304/https://www.faa.gov/pwdp

Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring. The targeted disabilities are:

Hearing (total deafness in both ears)
Vision (Blind)
Missing Extremities
Partial Paralysis
Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy
Severe intellectual disability
Psychiatric disability
Dwarfism

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well-there-it-is.gif

Exactly what I expected to find when I clicked on the link. Same shit he's crying about from Obama and Biden was there during his admin.

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Posted (edited)
  On 1/31/2025 at 1:05 AM, tx 3 putt said:

per AOC ....

I represent LaGuardia Airport as well as workers for JFK. Trump gutted the Aviation Safety committee last week. Air traffic controllers - already understaffed - got Trump’s “buyout” this week with a 1 week ultimatum to decide. It’s not DEI - it’s him. And Elon too.

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I think it was several weeks to decide on the buyout and very few people have already made the decision. The Whitehouse made the decision because only 6% of federal workers work full-time in office and it is trying to limit remote government work. The buyout is pay through September and the Whitehouse expects that 5%-10% of employees will take them up on the offer. Employees have until Feb. 6 to make a decision.

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  On 1/31/2025 at 1:21 AM, Bevo said:

 

I think it was several weeks to decide on the buyout and very few people have already made the decision. The Whitehouse made the decision because only 6% of federal workers work full-time in office and it is trying to limit remote government work. The buyout is pay through September and the Whitehouse expects that 5%-10% of employees will take them up on the offer. Employees have until Feb. 6 to make a decision.

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I see you haven’t been keeping up with the “buyout” news. Edited to say that your post is a good example as to how siloing information does a disservice to public discussion.

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Posted
  On 1/31/2025 at 1:21 AM, Bevo said:

 

I think it was several weeks to decide on the buyout and very few people have already made the decision. The Whitehouse made the decision because only 6% of federal workers work full-time in office and it is trying to limit remote government work. The buyout is pay through September and the Whitehouse expects that 5%-10% of employees will take them up on the offer. Employees have until Feb. 6 to make a decision.

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It’s not a buyout. Also, your 6% number is bullshit.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/how-many-federal-workers-are-in-the-office-full-time-why-its-not-6/3828825/

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Posted
  On 1/31/2025 at 1:39 AM, royiv said:
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Yes, the OPM states:

The net impact is that, in fiscal year 2023, 43 percent of all
Federal employees participated in routine or situational telework, compared to 46 percent
the year prior. Overall, this participation level (43%) marks the lowest percentage since
fiscal year 2019 and aids in understanding how agencies are approaching telework
utilization going forward.

I am sure there are competing definitions so both numbers are probably wrong. OPM is a full report though not just a single sentence so its numbers are very well explained.

I know one government organization that called it a buyout. What are you hearing it called in government circles (not media)?

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  On 1/31/2025 at 1:47 AM, Bevo said:

Yes, the OPM states:

The net impact is that, in fiscal year 2023, 43 percent of all
Federal employees participated in routine or situational telework, compared to 46 percent
the year prior. Overall, this participation level (43%) marks the lowest percentage since
fiscal year 2019 and aids in understanding how agencies are approaching telework
utilization going forward.

I am sure there are competing definitions so both numbers are probably wrong. OPM is a full report though not just a single sentence so its numbers are very well explained.

I know one government organization that called it a buyout. What are you hearing it called in government circles (not media)?

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https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/40282-federal-worker-rto-and-buyout-offers/#comments

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  On 1/31/2025 at 1:18 AM, wood said:

Eh, so, look at his face and reactions during that video. As I've suspected all along, he has no fucking idea what EOs these dipshits are bringing to him until they explain it to him. Then he goes 'Oh that seems like a good idea', and signs it. Holy fucking shit.

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Posted
  On 1/31/2025 at 1:43 AM, dcbc said:

And it's a February 6 deadline. 

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Yes and I heard about it 4 days ago. So the notice was ~6 days in January and 6 days in February. I would say most of the talk among employees in federal circles started yesterday. So I doubt very many ATCs had already put in their notice yesterday and walked out of their jobs. The number of employees doing that at the airport in question was probably zero when the accident occurred.

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