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eaves 1000 hours

o'hara & lobach 500 hours each

training run was for "evacuation of potus/cabinet mission"

this was not training of "new" or "junior" pilots

imho the mh-60 boxes will be the tell

i remain of the opinion that the mh-60 was looking at the wrong jet either on approach to or departing runway 1

AND

the tower due to overtasking did not ask the mh-60 if they had the rj re-route from 1 to 33

AND

did the mh-60 have the rj traffic at 5 o'clock

 

salvage ops for the rj not yet underway

there is new data in this article

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/recovery-efforts-american-airlines-plane-crash-dc/63632198

 

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Posted (edited)

no clue but all of the army statements say all 3 had flown route 4 "many times"

we will find out what that means when the final report is negotiated then released

the comms in the mh-60 box will also be key

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11 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

training run was for "evacuation of potus/cabinet mission"

If POTUS or a cabinet member is being evacuated via Black Hawk, something bad has gone down and I would speculate that DCA’s airspace would be closed so I’m not sure how realistic this training mission is. Seems like the protocol would be that if high level government officials need to be evacuated in an emergency that the first thing you do is close the DC airspace to commercial and private traffic.

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Just now, royiv said:

If POTUS or a cabinet member is being evacuated via Black Hawk, something bad has gone down and I would speculate that DCA’s airspace would be closed so I’m not sure how realistic this training mission is. Seems like the protocol would be that if high level government officials need to be evacuated in an emergency that the first thing you do is close the DC airspace to commercial and private traffic.

The training is probably more about teaching what things are done on the ground before and after the chopper's in the air, as in protocols and the specific order of things done and not done, where they're done, chains of command and documentation, that sort of thing.

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which begs the question why these missions were not being run between 2 and 4 am when there is no pax metal in the way

and why 100 or 200 vertical separation is even a thing

much less 1000 for all other traffic everywhere else in the world

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Posted
30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

and why 100 or 200 vertical separation is even a thing

This is the crux of the issue.  It's a too small margin given the state of the technology and the human element involved.  Previous incidents show that this accident was only a matter of time.

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On 2/2/2025 at 10:01 AM, Hagbard Celine said:

eaves 1000 hours

o'hara & lobach 500 hours each

training run was for "evacuation of potus/cabinet mission"

this was not training of "new" or "junior" pilots

imho the mh-60 boxes will be the tell

i remain of the opinion that the mh-60 was looking at the wrong jet either on approach to or departing runway 1

AND

the tower due to overtasking did not ask the mh-60 if they had the rj re-route from 1 to 33

AND

did the mh-60 have the rj traffic at 5 o'clock

 

salvage ops for the rj not yet underway

there is new data in this article

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/recovery-efforts-american-airlines-plane-crash-dc/63632198

 

I think there was a second RJ circling to 33 or on final to 01 that was told to go around. I’d bet they saw that one. 

Winds were 17 gusting to 25 knots from the NW at the time of the collision meaning the Blackhawk was crabbed into the wind and away from the collision aircraft. It might also explain some of the drift issues away from the east shoreline. Perhaps overcorrection. 

Take that helmet above, add NVGs and the peripheral vision isn’t great. 

Calling the traffic in sight and intent to maintain visual separation puts a lot of the onus on the pilot who accepts that. 

Tower understaffed and typically busy as DCA always is. 

 

A lot of Swiss cheese holes lined up for a tragedy. 

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Chose this thread because the story of a Cessna going missing, over Alaska with ten people aboard, is likely to be a shitshow in the media.

Edited to say apparently the plane was in a holding pattern while the runway was being cleared when it fell off the radar.

”CNN — 

A Cessna plane with 10 people on board has gone missing during a flight in Alaska, according to local and state officials.

The plane, operated by Bering Air, was en route from Unalakleet to Nome, both cities in western Alaska separated by the Norton Sound inlet, according to the Alaska State Troopers.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/07/us/alaska-cessna-bering-air-hnk/index.html

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Chose this thread because the story of a Cessna going missing, over Alaska with ten people aboard, is likely to be a shitshow in the media.

Edited to say apparently the plane was in a holding pattern while the runway was being cleared when it fell off the radar.

”CNN — 

A Cessna plane with 10 people on board has gone missing during a flight in Alaska, according to local and state officials.

The plane, operated by Bering Air, was en route from Unalakleet to Nome, both cities in western Alaska separated by the Norton Sound inlet, according to the Alaska State Troopers.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/07/us/alaska-cessna-bering-air-hnk/index.html

 

 

 

They found the plane.  3 inside confirmed dead.  The 7 others are still missing

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Posted
32 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

They found the plane.  3 inside confirmed dead.  The 7 others are still missing

Wait....wtf?  It crashed on land.  The wreckage is relatively intact.  How are 7 of the 10 "missing?"  They just walk off into the tundra or some shit?

Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait....wtf?  It crashed on land.  The wreckage is relatively intact.  How are 7 of the 10 "missing?"  They just walk off into the tundra or some shit?

A. Big bada boom

B. Cannibalism

C. Bears/Wolves or bear wolves or wolf bears

D. Wreck not so intact

E. Math

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait....wtf?  It crashed on land.  The wreckage is relatively intact.  How are 7 of the 10 "missing?"  They just walk off into the tundra or some shit?

Yeah.  I don't know.  I was watching the CBS evening news when it came up.  

Posted
56 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait....wtf?  It crashed on land.  The wreckage is relatively intact.  How are 7 of the 10 "missing?"  They just walk off into the tundra or some shit?

Maybe they went to the same place all those billions of missing Bering Sea snow crabs went.

Posted
1 hour ago, Bevo said:

A. Big bada boom

B. Cannibalism

C. Bears/Wolves or bear wolves or wolf bears

D. Wreck not so intact

E. Math

F. The start of next season of "Alone"

Posted

Missing Bering Air Plane Found in Alaska Sea Ice, No Survivors: Coast Guard

Published Feb 07, 2025 at 4:34 PM EST Updated Feb 07, 2025 at 7:56 PM EST
By Gabe Whisnant and Jesus Mesa
Deputy Weekend Editor
 
 

The U.S. Coast Guard for the Alaska maritime region reported on Friday that it located an aircraft matching the description of the missing Bering Air plane.

Just after 6:15 p.m. ET, the Coast Guard posted on X, formerly Twitter, that three individuals were found inside the plane and reported to be deceased. The plane was found 34 miles southeast of Nome on the sea ice of Norton Sound.

According to the Anchorage Daily News, Lt. Cmdr. Mike Salerno reported that rescuers reached the aircraft and found three individuals, all of whom were deceased. Salerno confirmed that there were no other survivors at the site of the crash.

Around 7:30 p.m., the Coast Guard posted on x that it has "ended its search for the missing plane."

The post continued, "The remaining 7 people are believed to be inside the aircraft but are currently inaccessible due to the condition of the plane. Our heartfelt condolences are with those affected by this tragic incident."

Earlier Friday, an "item of interest" was found in the search for the missing Bering Air plane, the U.S. Coast Guard announced.

The discovery came as search teams intensify efforts to locate the aircraft, which vanished Thursday while carrying 10 people. Alaska State Trooper Lt. Ben Endres said Friday at a news conference that the passengers on the plane are all adults.

Search and rescue teams in Alaska are intensifying efforts to locate a missing Bering Air flight that vanished on Thursday. The aircraft, a Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, was traveling from Unalakleet to Nome, a roughly 150-mile journey over the remote Norton Sound, when it disappeared from radar.

The Coast Guard reported that the plane experienced a rapid loss of elevation and speed before its signal was lost. Despite the circumstances, officials have stressed that the search remains an active rescue mission rather than a recovery effort.

Alan Brown, director of public affairs for the Alaska National Guard, emphasized that there were no immediate plans to change the status of the case to a recovery mission.

"This is still an active search and rescue effort," Brown told reporters on Friday.

He also confirmed that an "item of interest" had been spotted but declined to provide further details on whether it was plane debris or another significant clue.

The search operation has been extensive, with multiple agencies involved. The U.S. Coast Guard, Alaska Air National Guard and FBI are leading the efforts, with additional support from local search teams. Aircraft, including C-130 planes, have been deployed to scan the icy waters, while ground crews on snowmobiles continue to comb the coastline and tundra.

Weather conditions at the time of the disappearance included light snow and freezing drizzle near Nome Airport, though operations have benefited from improved conditions since Friday morning. The Coast Guard has deployed tracking buoys to monitor ice movement, which could provide valuable clues in locating the plane.

Authorities have also turned to technology to aid in the search. FBI agents are analyzing cellphone tracking data from passengers to help determine the aircraft's last known location. The Nome Volunteer Fire Department has urged residents to refrain from launching private search missions because of hazardous conditions in the area.

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We might need a new old saw. Plane crashes no longer come in threes. This one mashes up Motley Crue and a plane from Austin on an Arizona runway.

 

“One person has died and four others were injured after an aircraft collision on the runway Monday afternoon at the Scottsdale Airport.

Airport officials say at around 2:30 p.m., a small jet incoming from Austin, TX, veered off the runway and collided with a larger jet.

Officials believe the landing jet's left main gear failed upon landing, leading to the crash.

Five people were aboard the plane, one of whom died at the scene, according to Scottsdale Fire officials. Three other people were taken to a hospital to be treated for various injuries, and a fifth person refused treatment.

One of the planes is registered to Chromed in Hollywood, LLC, based out of Franklin, Tennessee. The president of Chromed in Hollywood, LLC is Vince Neil, according to incorporation papers from the Wyoming Secretary of State. 

Vince Neil is a singer and the frontman of the rock band Mötley Crüe. It is unclear if Neil was involved in the crash but the talent agency that represents Neil tells ABC15 that they are aware of the incident.

Surveillance video shown to ABC15 depicted the nose of one of the planes skidding across the tarmac before colliding with the other plane.“

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The Federal Aviation Association shared the following statement:

"A Learjet 35A veered off the runway after landing and crashed into a Gulfstream 200 business jet on the ramp at Scottsdale Municipal Airport in Arizona around 2:45 p.m. local time Monday, Feb. 10. We do not know how many people were on board. The FAA istemporarily pausing flights into the airport."

The runway remains closed and the National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash.

Scottsdale Mayor Lisa Borowsky provided the following statement on the incident:

“Today, Scottsdale sadly experienced an aircraft accident at our airport. Based on the information provided thus far, it appears at least one person is dead after two jets collided on the runway at Scottsdale Airport.

The accident happened just before 3 p.m. when a Learjet 35A veered off the runway after landing, according to information provided by the Federal Aviation Administration.

Currently, the airport is closed. We are closely monitoring the situation, and we are in touch with airport, police and federal agencies and will update the community as we have further information.

On behalf of the city of Scottsdale, we offer our deepest condolences to those involved in the accident and for those who have been taken to our trauma center for treatment. We will keep all affected by this tragedy in our prayers.

I would also like to thank our first responder community for their quick action and service in this situation.”

 


https://www.abc15.com/news/region-northeast-valley/scottsdale/scottsdale-airport-runway-closed-after-plane-crash-injuries-unclear

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On 2/8/2025 at 10:07 AM, DaysOff said:

Those caravans do not handle ice well.

That's more of a tropical puddle jumper.

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