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32 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

American democracy in action. Voters are simply more disgusted with the establishment than they are with Trump. You can call them stupid, and they mostly are. But Trump is doing exactly what he ran on. He didn't hide the intentions to execute on any of this shit.  

 

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2 hours ago, Slacks said:

What if the way we've always done it, while ok for some and great for a few, could actually be improved by some wacky teardown remake of the government and all the sacred establishments?

So you want to trade Luka to the Lakers for Street Clothes.

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15 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Not trying to narrow anything. Lay out your a priori hypotheses and we can test them. I don’t care how many you want to spec out, but when we get to the appropriate point I will point out the alpha error inflation. 

Shit will get bad.  There you go.

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12 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Beyond dumb

Donald Trump is an Ivy League-educated billionaire who has been elected President of the United States twice and has been the de facto leader of the Republican Party for over a decade.

That's about as establishment as it gets.

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12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

We didn't get to this place with roberts rules and we won't get out of it on his back. 

American democracy is mostly a mythology. 

Shit gonna just have to burn. 

It will be ok.  

How bout you go first, given how necessary you seem to think it is?

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump is an Ivy League-educated billionaire who has been elected President of the United States twice and has been the de facto leader of the Republican Party for over a decade.

That's about as establishment as it gets.

He has destroyed the "establishment" version of the Republican party.  That thing no longer exists.

 

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12 hours ago, Slacks said:

I'm gonna play stupid black swan devils advocate for a moment...

What if the way we've always done it, while ok for some and great for a few, could actually be improved by some wacky teardown remake of the government and all the sacred establishments?

We all bemoan taxes, right? Too much spending on defense and policing and on programs that are just wasting money supporting the government machine...

What if we just shut all that down and have a small military that just protects the u.s.? And the states run their own plays... What if that works better?

 

(No, I don't believe any of that is what is going on here... I'm pretty sure we're being overthrown without firing a shot, as promised.)

A modest proposal, for sure.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

I'll try remember that when the tax cuts and all the other traditional GOP wish list items come up on the Hill.

Fishermen and Environmentalists both want the ocean to be full of fish, doesn't mean they are the same.

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Donald Trump is paving the way for a billionaire oligarchy and evangelical fucks to dictate society's morals...but he's anti-GOP establishment.

Jesus fucking Christ.

He ultimately does what he's told--often times, unknowingly--from the highest bidder or whomever sucks him off the hardest.

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21 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

He has destroyed the "establishment" version of the Republican party.  That thing no longer exists.

 

But if he's the DeFacto leader of the MAGA version of the Republican party...and they destroyed the old "establishment" doesn't that make MAGA the new "establishment"??

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1 hour ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

But if he's the DeFacto leader of the MAGA version of the Republican party...and they destroyed the old "establishment" doesn't that make MAGA the new "establishment"??

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Not in the late 60's counter culture, Stewe sings at Woodstock definition of "establishment"

 

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16 hours ago, Anastasis said:

American democracy in action. Voters are simply more disgusted with the establishment than they are with Trump. You can call them stupid, and they mostly are. But Trump is doing exactly what he ran on. He didn't hide the intentions to execute on any of this shit.  

Correct, the people are mad that their lives suck (I don't know why that is) and want people to suffer for it. One easy way is to elect the man who will burn it down starting with those that are different.

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3 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Donald Trump is paving the way for a billionaire oligarchy and evangelical fucks to dictate society's morals...but he's anti-GOP establishment.

Jesus fucking Christ.

He ultimately does what he's told--often times, unknowingly--from the highest bidder or whomever sucks him off the hardest.

He is anti-GOP establishment in that they don't control him anymore, if they ever did. Those that do influence him, like Musk, are not part of the traditional country club GOP. The rest of your post is 100% correct. 

The billionaires and evangelicals are in control. Online we talk a lot of shit about billionaires, but corporatist America has promoted greed and money as the ultimate good for a long time so they're people to admire. The evangelical influence over the nation is always there. Their power comes and goes historically and we're getting a good buttfucking from their rise right now (but we can't enjoy it!). 

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3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

He has destroyed the "establishment" version of the Republican party.  That thing no longer exists.

 

He merely said the quiet part out loud. The GOP hate engine was built long before Trump. He seized the reins, that's all.

I suspect some GOPs think the quaint notions of responsible government spending, individual/state's rights, and limited government power were only just recently swept away. Those things have been illusory certainly since Ronald Reagan and likely starting with Richard Nixon.

Money and power are the establishment. 

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

He merely said the quiet part out loud. The GOP hate engine was built long before Trump. He seized the reins, that's all.

I suspect some GOPs think the quaint notions of responsible government spending, individual/state's rights, and limited government power were only just recently swept away. Those thinks have been illusory certainly since Ronald Reagan and likely starting with Richard Nixon.

Money and power are the establishment. 

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26 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That is establishment gop for about 45 years now. 

Yeah, but it was different. Trump's base is almost Jacksonian compared to Reagan's. As far as power, it seems that the 1% being the traditional GOP power brokers has been replaced by the .0000001%.

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1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

the fucking Cato institute raising alarm 

Too.  Fucking.  Late.  They happily helped build this beast, blowing right past all the people warning them that this EXACT outcome is what they were setting up.

Fuck Cato.  They should hang too.

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Correct, the people are mad that their lives suck (I don't know why that is) and want people to suffer for it. One easy way is to elect the man who will burn it down starting with those that are different.

And all of this.  The current governing ethos of this country is petulant, vengeful rage.  That's it.  No higher-order thinking at all.

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

He merely said the quiet part out loud. The GOP hate engine was built long before Trump. He seized the reins, that's all.

I suspect some GOPs think the quaint notions of responsible government spending, individual/state's rights, and limited government power were only just recently swept away. Those things have been illusory certainly since Ronald Reagan and likely starting with Richard Nixon.

Money and power are the establishment. 

Meme Drop - Meme

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You didn't think people would get tired of men beating the shit out of women?

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Scary!

12 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

But if he's the DeFacto leader of the MAGA version of the Republican party...and they destroyed the old "establishment" doesn't that make MAGA the new "establishment"??

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Prescient. Probably not as you'd expect.

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Well, this is definitely something. Or BlueAnon. Somebody I know in Dallas called me over the weekend talking about this. Sounded crazy. She said it was coming out Monday but I never saw anything. Now there’s this. (She is ex-Army intelligence, I think.)

https://open.substack.com/pub/planetcritical/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked?r=3agz2m&utm_medium=ios

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If the “bullet ballot” info is correct, then that is compelling evidence.

This is pretty wild:

Even more bizarrely, the bullet ballots are not widely spread out across the swing states, but targeted in a handful of counties. In Arizona, for example, Maricopa County accounts for almost all of the historic number of bullet ballots.

Critically, only 400,000 votes would be need to be added in strategic precincts in swing states in order to secure Trump’s victory. In each of these swing states, too, the number of votes for Trump takes the count just over the margin which necessitates a legal hand recount. If anything, experts say, the numbers are too good to be true.

“This is not scattershot. It's their big mistake—if they've made a mistake, it's that it’s just too perfect,” Spoonamore told me.

Finally, the other piece of data raising eyebrows is the fact that Trump won all seven swing states—the first candidate to sweep the board in four decades—without record voter turnout. Less than 50% of voters chose Trump, with Harris less than 1.7% behind him. One data scientist crunched the numbers:

“It’s north of a 35 billion to 1 probability that you could win seven out of seven outside of recount range with less than 50% of the vote.”
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