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The Worst Trade in NBA History: Luka traded for AD


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8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Cross posting here because it fills in some details the board hasn’t fully addressed. This totally makes sense now, especially “why Lakers?” It’s a bribe for the nba to step aside  
 

https://x.com/loewylawfirm/status/1886211634097746331?s=46&t=1xhM83oX4_0pVKdmxhpexA

That's straight out of Major League

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11 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I understand the sentiment, but this tweet is stupid dumb. Everyone in Dallas would be saying, "Luka who?" if they're up 3-1 in this year's Finals.

...it's just not going to happen.

I wouldn't.  Every Mav fan I know agrees with the sentiment.  

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11 hours ago, Chad said:

Kawhi : 2x Finals MVP

3x First team all NBA, 3x Second team all NBA

2x defensive player of the year, 3x defensive 1st team, 4x defensive 2nd team.

Luka : 0 Finals MVP

5x First team all NBA

1x NBA scoring champ

It all depends on how you value a player. Luka is an offensive juggernaut with zero defensive skills. I'd personally say Luka is a better player who showed flashes at a younger age, but Kawhi was also elite in a sense for a lengthy stretch.

 

10 hours ago, Chad said:

Just repaying the favor for all the shit Mavs fans talked after the Spurs were forced to unload Kawhi. Now y'all are gonna be wandering the NBA wastelands for the foreseeable future. The Mavs will be good enough for a couple one and dones before returning to where they were the first year of Luka and several years before his arrival.

I went to a Spurs playoff game (don’t remember against who) during Tim Duncan’s prime. The team was great. Best coach in the league. 

After the game, riding down the escalators was like being at an A&M football game during the wrecking crew era- less about their own team and more about Dallas this and Mark Cuban that because the Mavs were out of the playoffs but in the news that day. I was shocked by how insecure they were.
 

This is the worst moment in the 45 year history of a fan base that really loves our team, doesn’t care about national media or bandwagons, and doesn’t really care much about yours other than as an regional rival and admiring the success you had during your best years. And you’re in here bitching about what? 

Fuck right off, Chad. 

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8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

LOL.  I mean.... immensely.  Dude is special on one side of the court, but he's a "generationally" bad defensive player.  He also is very difficult to win with because of his style play as he was a ball stopper.  Other teams have tried with these type of players and failed (Harden, Barkley, Westbrook, Iverson), especially the ones who weren't very good at defense too. 

These are all great points if you completely ignore the reality of what Luka and the Mavericks have done the past few seasons. 

He’s a bad defender, but he’s not generationally bad, that’s dumb. He has actually been a useful piece on a good NBA defense, last fucking season. After making the trades for Gafford and PJ they were one of the best defenses in the league by every metric down the stretch. You just need the right pieces around him, he’s not an unsolvable liability on that end. 

I don’t even want to argue the offensive side of it, mainly because arguing whether Luka’s offensive game is winning basketball or not is weapons grade stupid. 

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48 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

5 rings and still a lot of aggie energy from Spurs fans on here.  Good grief. 

 

 

I’m a Spurs fan. And yeah the level of pettiness towards the Mavs is aggy as fuck. It’s on the level of still being mad at Jerry for firing Jimmy. In 2006 the Mavs killed our chances for a title in a very close Game 7. The Spurs would likely have had a three peat since they won in 05 and 07. It’s lame as shit but the anger is still very fresh and real, and I’m not defending it, I’m just giving frame of reference for why some of us Spurs fans act like complete bitches when it comes to the Mavs. I dislike the Mavs too but this trade is just wrong and fucked up on so many levels. Everyone is rightfully blaming Nico but I think Jason Kidd is the root of the cancer on the team and he definitely had a hand in this too. I really hope yall get something else out of this trade eventually down the line because it’s pretty fucking sad what just happened to you guys. 

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29 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It’s amazing isn’t it? How can the fan base of such a great franchise be so insecure?

I’m either going to recruit a group of normal people to join me in a mini-fatwa, or I’m gonna put Chad and zt on ignore, who should have already been there. 

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3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Cross posting here because it fills in some details the board hasn’t fully addressed. This totally makes sense now, especially “why Lakers?” It’s a bribe for the nba to step aside  
 

https://x.com/loewylawfirm/status/1886211634097746331?s=46&t=1xhM83oX4_0pVKdmxhpexA

1886211634097746331?s=46&t=1xhM83oX4_0pV

 

I get tanking the franchise to move to Vegas but the TX leg thing makes zero sense. Why would the legislature at large, from all over the state, change their minds on a deep seated objection to gambling to save a basketball team? The Addelsons have shown their willingness to spend their mountain of cash directly to influence politics which is way more effective than whether the Dallas Mavericks move cities. That would seemingly be less than a blip on the radar of state level politics and would require support from legislators well beyond the DFW metroplex. I’m not buying that one.

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1 minute ago, MrBig said:

I’m a Spurs fan. And yeah the level of pettiness towards the Mavs is aggy as fuck. It’s on the level of still being mad at Jerry for firing Jimmy. In 2006 the Mavs killed our chances for a title in a very close Game 7. The Spurs would likely have had a three peat since they won in 05 and 07. It’s lame as shit but the anger is still very fresh and real, and I’m not defending it, I’m just giving frame of reference for why some of us Spurs fans act like complete bitches when it comes to the Mavs. I dislike the Mavs too but this trade is just wrong and fucked up on so many levels. Everyone is rightfully blaming Nico but I think Jason Kidd is the root of the cancer on the team and he definitely had a hand in this too. I really hope yall get something else out of this trade eventually down the line because it’s pretty fucking sad what just happened to you guys. 

I'm a Rockets fan. I don't like the Mavs, but this is bullshit and I feel for their fanbase. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Emotions of the moment. Luka is not a more beloved figure than Tom Landry. 

Tom got shit on. No argument, but the trajectories of their careers upon departure from their Dallas entities are monumentally juxtopposed. 

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Spurs fan since birth -- okay, like 7 years old -- and so I could give a fuck about the Mavs ultimately.

But factually this trade sucks because I'd MUCH rather have the Mavs be relevant and with a top young superstar than the fucking Lakers of all teams. THE FUCKING LAKERS. You kidding me?

Anyone who rails on the Mavs while the Lakers are the presumed benefactor is morally suspect and probably prefers California burritos to Tex-Mex.

The Lakers had Phil "asterisk" Jackson and Shaq back in the day throwing shade at the Spurs. Total douchebags without even getting into Derek "cry more bitch" Fisher.

Cuban I think talked some Spurs trash at one point, but whatever.

Doncic was/is awesome to watch and Dirk as well.

I've lived in both LA and Dallas. Los Angeles sucks giant ass. I wouldn't live again in Dallas either, but levels of hell and all that.

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3 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Spurs fan since birth -- okay, like 7 years old -- and so I could give a fuck about the Mavs ultimately.

But factually this trade sucks because I'd MUCH rather have the Mavs be relevant and with a top young superstar than the fucking Lakers of all teams. THE FUCKING LAKERS. You kidding me?

Anyone who rails on the Mavs while the Lakers are the presumed benefactor is morally suspect and probably prefers California burritos to Tex-Mex.

The Lakers had Phil "asterisk" Jackson and Shaq back in the day throwing shade at the Spurs. Total douchebags without even getting into Derek "cry more bitch" Fisher.

Cuban I think talked some Spurs trash at one point, but whatever.

Doncic was/is awesome to watch and Dirk as well.

I've lived in both LA and Dallas. Los Angeles sucks giant ass. I wouldn't live again in Dallas either, but levels of hell and all that.

Yep. Always hated the Lakers/Kobe. Hated. Had respect for Dirk even though it was annoying to lose to them.

 

I will say, the NBA is kinda winning with this trade. It's super bowl week and all the shows are talking about this.

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17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I get tanking the franchise to move to Vegas but the TX leg thing makes zero sense. Why would the legislature at large, from all over the state, change their minds on a deep seated objection to gambling to save a basketball team? The Addelsons have shown their willingness to spend their mountain of cash directly to influence politics which is way more effective than whether the Dallas Mavericks move cities. That would seemingly be less than a blip on the radar of state level politics and would require support from legislators well beyond the DFW metroplex. I’m not buying that one.

I think that is the point he is making.  He's saying that they applied all of this pressure on the legislature and they didn't move. So the Adelson's only play left was to tank the franchise so that they can demonstrate it needs to move to Vegas. In 2 years, if the legislature does reverse course, then my guess is that by then the Adelson's will move anyway to Vegas. But, they will have a choice at that point.  That is what this guy is saying.

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45 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

These are all great points if you completely ignore the reality of what Luka and the Mavericks have done the past few seasons. 

He’s a bad defender, but he’s not generationally bad, that’s dumb. He has actually been a useful piece on a good NBA defense, last fucking season. After making the trades for Gafford and PJ they were one of the best defenses in the league by every metric down the stretch. You just need the right pieces around him, he’s not an unsolvable liability on that end. 

I don’t even want to argue the offensive side of it, mainly because arguing whether Luka’s offensive game is winning basketball or not is weapons grade stupid. 

It was just shown on Get Up that he gets blown by more than any defender in the league.   Literally the worst

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1 minute ago, d2o said:

It was just shown on Get Up that he gets blown by more than any defender in the league.   Literally the worst

let me guess.  they used last year's playoffs videos? he was playing on one knee.  daily injections in the knee, bleeding out during the games.  the game plan was for him to divert everyone to the middle where we had gafford, lively, or PJ.  it worked til the finals where boston could play 5 out.  

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Just now, ChickenSandwich said:

Spurs have no room to talk. They just had an All star PG force his way onto their team and they had to give nothing in return. Sets up nicely for Wemby and some Euro eyeballs. 

How are they comparable?

Fox wanted to go, and made it known. Kings got something for him before they lose him for sure anyway. The Bulls I'm not sure. Maybe it helps their Sag for Flagg efforts.

The Spurs moves aren't remotely the same as what the Lakers pulled off, with massive help from Nico "I swear I'm not still wearing a Kobe Bryant jersey under this suit" Harrison.

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1 minute ago, d2o said:

It was just shown on Get Up that he gets blown by more than any defender in the league.   Literally the worst

He plays over 35 minutes a game, and he gets hunted relentlessly, both because he’s not a good defender and because it’s good strategy to make him work on defense to make him less effective on offense. It makes sense that his blown by stats are the highest in the league. That does not mean he’s the worst defender in the league. 

There are players that are amazing offensive players that can hardly get minutes for their teams because they are such liabilities on defense. Luka isnt that. He’ll never be a great defender, but he’s been part of good nba defenses. With what he can do on the other end of the floor, that is enough. 

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1 minute ago, gsoda3 said:

let me guess.  they used last year's playoffs videos? he was playing on one knee.  daily injections in the knee, bleeding out during the games.  the game plan was for him to divert everyone to the middle where we had gafford, lively, or PJ.  it worked til the finals where boston could play 5 out.  

Nope

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Over the last two seasons, Doncic has allowed a 44.7% blow-by rate as the primary defender on drives, the highest in the league during that span, per Second Spectrum.

https://www.espn.com/fantasy/basketball/story/_/id/43661722/fantasy-betting-impact-luka-doncic-anthony-davis-trade-lebron-james-kyrie-irving

 

 

The whole reason they went to that philosophy was because Luka was so bad and the worst part was he didnt even try.

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Stop speaking to me like we’re familiar, or we’re buddies

Quoting me multiple times, but telling someone else to stop.  That’s a you problem. 
 

simply responded to a post. Are you the hall monitor or some shit?

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Not that anyone cares, but I'll give my two cents: 

This fucking sucks as a sports fan for multiple reasons. I've seen a lot of my fellow Spurs fans liken this to the Kawhi bullshit, and I've seen it slapped down for reasons that I agree with. If I had to compare it to something I've never felt, it would be akin to the Spurs trading Manu after the 2005 season. Hear me out (Sushi Gloryhole). I'm not comparing their basketball skill. What I would compare is the love that the team's fans have for them respectively and the way they're exalted in the community. I can't think of another player in San Antonio history as beloved as Manu. Tim is/was the rock, but Manu was the heart. I assume that the Dirk/Luka comparison would be comparable here. Luka was overlooked in the draft and fell to the Mavs. He was a prodigy from day one. He's done things on the court that I've never seen an overweight, slow-ass motherfucker do. He's taken everyone in this league to school. He's won and lost in every way imaginable. And, he wanted to be in Dallas. He loved the community, and the community loved him. The Finals run last year was glorious, and when he came back this year you just knew they were gearing up for another run. 

I've had my heart ripped out of my chest multiple times. A few of those have been sports-related. 99.9% have been wins and losses. If my team had traded Manu at the height of his popularity and taken away from me the resulting years of his career, the championship runs and the incredibly hurtful losses, I would be beyond furious. This kid was supposed to be there for the long haul, a fixture in the Dallas community after he stopped playing. It doesn't matter if he wasn't the perfect player, he was perfect for the team they had built around him and perfect for the fans that adored him. And now it's gone. 

As I was driving home last night, I saw a kid riding his bike wearing a Dirk jersey. You could see the emotion on his face, trying to process what happened. We all get our hearts broken at some point, but it's supposed to happen on the court and field. It's a rude awakening when the business of sports and politics ruins what sports is supposed to be about. What happened Saturday night still has no plausible explanation and it's caused a lot of us to see nefarious conspiracies because they make more sense (and unfortunately might have some truth to them). I'm sorry to all of you who rooted for this team and I hope this works out for you in the long run. You guys deserved better than this. 

 

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7 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Best comparison I’ve seen is trading Joe burrow for Dak 

The Destiny's Child / TLC tweet was a way better comparison than this junk. AD has accomplished way more than Dak.

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