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The Worst Trade in NBA History: Luka traded for AD


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31 minutes ago, AngryDragon said:

Because this is completely normal to do after a trade. 

you gotta like the balls on calling what you believe is a bluff by your season ticket holders.  My guess is they aren't calculating that it is going to be a shitshow while Davis is out and not much better even when he gets back(and then Kyrie has to sit out due to a foot or back injury) and people will flip over the pocket aces.

what prevents them from getting back in later? especially if it craters the team for 2-3 years.  I'm asking because I don't know how the season tickets work with the Mavs.

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3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

This isn't even germane to the conversation, but there are many other passionate and loyal fanbases in the NBA that I would put above Dallas. I always considered Dallas a bandwagon sports town. There are too many other sports options. That arena was never considered one of the loudest or difficult to play in.

The passion is especially high in cities that don't have any other major league teams. I would start with Sacramento -- their fans have been shit on forever and they still love their team. Utah, Portland, Memphis, OKC, and San Antonio. None of those places have any other local team to root for. Now that the Mavs committed seppuku, Dallas fans can just as easily go pour their love into the Cowboys for example. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ricky Butler said:

I have young sons and live in LA. I'm taking this as an opportunity to allow them to be Laker fans and not deal with the bullshit I've endured as a Dallasite.

I attended Shout Parties in 87 and 88 and had a green and blue  “Beat LA” sign. I may give *myself* permission to be a Lakers fan.

These are not the Dallas Mavericks. These are the Las Vegas Traitors. 

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As a Laker fan, I'm just glad we finally caught a break in getting a star player here.

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I attended Shout Parties in 87 and 88 and had a green and blue  “Beat LA” sign. I may give *myself* permission to be a Lakers fan.

These are not the Dallas Mavericks. These are the Las Vegas Traitors. 

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2 hours ago, AngryDragon said:

Nothing has ever hurt me as a sports fan as much as this trade. Still can't wrap my head around it. 

Just sad and numb. Fuck Nico. He'll be gone in 2 years. This feels like a decision that will alter the franchise for decades.

 

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On 2/2/2025 at 10:34 PM, Derka said:

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The guy who actually wrote the article, Ethan Strauss, said that Nico wasn't the guy who called Steph, Stephawn (the actual name mistake in the article is Stephawn not Seth). In fact he was on a Dallas area podcast just yesterday and pointed out  totally missed the point of his article. If anything the thrust was that Nico was a relationship manager and not an executive with decision making powers. He was basically a guy who made sure the athletes were happy. Steph was one of his clients but Kobe was his main client. The top decision maker for NIke didnt even attend the meeting with Steph, which, as Ethan points out in the article, more or less demonstrates what the prevailing winds were indicating as to the level of importance of Steph to the Nike portfolio at the time, (he wasnt). He goes onto say that Nico essentially peter principled as a GM after Mark sold the team. The plan was for Mark to be the defacto GM and Nico to curry favor with players he had relationships with.  When Mark sold to the Adelson's Nico was essentially promoted and now took on a role he was never supposed to have in practice. Strauss also theorized that the negotiations between Nico and Pelinka may have reverted back to the dynamic they had when Pelinka was Kobe's agent and Nico was his Nike rep. As a Nike rep for a client such as Kobe the biggest job description is to please your client and those associated with him ie his agent. Everything reported about the trade negotiations between Nico and Pelinka plays out as though Nico had a pavlovian response to please Pelinka as he did when he was Kobe's agent. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I attended Shout Parties in 87 and 88 and had a green and blue  “Beat LA” sign. I may give *myself* permission to be a Lakers fan.

These are not the Dallas Mavericks. These are the Las Vegas Traitors. 

Yeah, I’ve been here for 15 years. No Dirk, Cuban, or Luka feels like an opportunity to move on. 

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8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Mavericks are a large local market team with no national fan base, and not for nothing, are the distantly third most important franchise in their own market. 
 I would argue that until Sunday the Mavericks had the most passionate and loyal fan base in the league. They inherited that spot when the Sonics moved out of Seattle and the Warriors left Oakland. 

Yeah. One of those things is not like the other. There’s been no appreciable dip in the Warriors fan base. Sure, the ‘move’ stung but mostly because the ticket prices went up so damn much. You can practically see the old arena from the new one across the Bay. It’s like relocating the Mavericks arena to Irving. 
 

But the A’s are dead to everybody I think. Way too much bad blood there. I think there will always be die hard Oakland Raider fans, but not the A’s. 

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2 minutes ago, Txzen said:

Yeah. One of those things is not like the other. There’s been no appreciable dip in the Warriors fan base. Sure, the ‘move’ stung but mostly because the ticket prices went up so damn much. You can practically see the old arena from the new one across the Bay. It’s like relocating the Mavericks arena to Irving. 

The Warriors fans in Oakland. Not people who cross the bridge. It’s not anything like the old Warriors fans now. You could be anywhere. 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Warriors fans in Oakland. Not people who cross the bridge. It’s not anything like the old Warriors fans now. You could be anywhere. 

As one of the people in bold there, and surrounded by many more of them, nah. 
 

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3 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

3rd most important franchise in its own market? Que?

Behind the Cowboys and who else???? Certainly not the Rangers. 

I know nothing about TX but what you guys tell me but I was definitely wondering this as well

 

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3 minutes ago, Txzen said:

As one of the people in bold there, and surrounded by many more of them, nah. 
 

Not like the ones I remember. Obviously the city has changed a lot but 20 years ago Oakland Arena wasn’t a polite corporate monoculture, and the local fans who could only afford to go sometimes were even less so. Warriors fans in nowadays seem like frontrunners from anywhereville. These kind of people who say they live “in the Bay Area.”

6 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Behind the Cowboys and who else???? Certainly not the Rangers. 

Of course the Rangers. 

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Viva Tatu!

 

he was my first favorite soccer player. my cousin was a ball boy for the sidekicks so i had Tatu’s cards and posters and stuff on my walls growing up. viva Tatu!

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not like the ones I remember. Obviously the city has changed a lot but 20 years ago Oakland Arena wasn’t a polite corporate monoculture, and the local fans who could only afford to go sometimes were even less so. Warriors fans in nowadays seem like frontrunners from anywhereville. These kind of people who say they live “in the Bay Area.”

Of course the Rangers. 

OK

The Rangers went nearly 5 years without even being talked about by local sports radio until their recent run to the world series. They got so little traction by local media that the main Rangers blogger, Jamey Newberg, would complain about it incessantly. 

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not like the ones I remember. Obviously the city has changed a lot but 20 years ago Oakland Arena wasn’t a polite corporate monoculture, and the local fans who could only afford to go sometimes were even less so. Warriors fans in nowadays seem like frontrunners from anywhereville. These kind of people who say they live “in the Bay Area.”

 

I mean, that’s fair and there was much pride in having them here - I very much miss ‘The Town’ jerseys. As they became more successful the O got more corporate, and more expensive. I’ve yet to go to a game in the new place, hear it’s great but it is a different vibe. But none of that I think had a huge impact on the fan base (at least not the crazies I know!). 

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29 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1886922158871392702

 

Mavs FO will pull off the ultimate nigerian buyback with season tickets that were traded in if they pulled this off

Huh....i bet a handful of first round picks would go a long way towards facilitating that plan. If there was only some way......

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Warriors fans in Oakland. Not people who cross the bridge. It’s not anything like the old Warriors fans now. You could be anywhere. 

 

1 hour ago, Txzen said:

As one of the people in bold there, and surrounded by many more of them, nah. 
 

 

40 minutes ago, Txzen said:

I’ve yet to go to a game in the new place, ...

That's the point isn't it? The ghosts of the fans from the Baron Davis days stayed at Roaracle, they're not the same ones showing up now. 

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On 2/3/2025 at 7:38 PM, closetohumping said:

There’s some vindictiveness to the Mavs here.  Couldn’t they have gotten more if they had signed him to super max and then trade him?

What team could have afforded to trade for a $355M contract?
I think the dollar value on both sides has to be fairly close.

That's a staggering sum of money.
$71M per year?!?

Here is the highest payroll in the NBA.

$71M is 2/3rds of the PHX entire payroll.  fack

Most of us are making like 0.001% or less of $71M a year.

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9 minutes ago, ATXbronco said:

What team could have afforded to trade for a $355M contract?
I think the dollar value on both sides has to be fairly close.

That's a staggering sum of money.
$71M per year?!?

Here is the highest payroll in the NBA.

$71M is 2/3rds of the PHX entire payroll.  fack

Most of us are making like 0.001% or less of $71M a year.

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And the Dodgers payroll is 5x the Marlins?🤔

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20 minutes ago, ATXbronco said:

What team could have afforded to trade for a $355M contract?
I think the dollar value on both sides has to be fairly close.

That's a staggering sum of money.
$71M per year?!?

Here is the highest payroll in the NBA.

$71M is 2/3rds of the PHX entire payroll.  fack

Most of us are making like 0.001% or less of $71M a year.

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Phx’s payroll this year is 223 million this year, and their current obligation for 2027 is 95 million. Right?  So about 32%. 
 

also, do you know how much Anthony Davis will be making the next two years, and that he was just traded?

also notice on that chart how the lakers’ sum drops way down right when Luka’s new contract will begin. 

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5 hours ago, dcar00 said:

you gotta like the balls on calling what you believe is a bluff by your season ticket holders.  My guess is they aren't calculating that it is going to be a shitshow while Davis is out and not much better even when he gets back(and then Kyrie has to sit out due to a foot or back injury) and people will flip over the pocket aces.

what prevents them from getting back in later? especially if it craters the team for 2-3 years.  I'm asking because I don't know how the season tickets work with the Mavs.

I talked to a 25 year season ticket holder late afternoon and biggest die hard fan I know that is not planning on renewing as of now. There hasn't been any formal announcement to ticket holders about this whole $2K rebate (he hasn't heard from his ticket rep at all) and hasn't wanted to bug him or vent. It really sucks for all the people in Mavs marketing, sales, PR, etc. that are having to deal with this shitshow when they are all probably equally furious about what happened. 

But as for season tickets, new ownership already jacked up season tickets a ton last year.  They probably won't read the room and do the same this year. They are going to lose a ton of the long term die hards.  It's just going to be a completely different fanbase go forward. I mean, it had been trending that way for a while now (and a big reason I'm a Stars and not Mavs season ticket holder as the actual fans to corporate/ Insta crowd skews WAY more towards "fans" at the Stars games) but just going to trend even heavier corporate, Gen Z, Dallas transplant etc. that will jump on and off bandwagon depending on record.    Those of us that lived Dirk's entire career arc with highs and lows of a true superstar that was "ours" feel like we got robbed of watching the same thing play out with his more talented successor.  It's just disgusting.  And I'm sure I'll take my 8 YO son back to a game at some point but not anytime soon (he was mad he doesn't get to see Luka but did not understand why we don't root for the mavs anymore and I decided to drop it for another day).  I can't fathom spending a dime for this franchise or this owner at the moment.

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