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2 hours ago, CurlyDumps said:

Calling McMahon a mouthpiece is hilarious. His nickname on The Hoop Collective podcast is Banned McMahon because Cuban revoked his media credentials once. Kidd has publicly excoriated him for not being positive enough.  They don't like him precisely because he's not their mouthpiece.

Of course there were death threats. When stuff like this happens in the social media age, when are there not? Kickers get death threats for missing field goals. Mavs have their own security team so they handled it themselves and didn't report it to LE. That is, according to Mouthpiece McMahon. I find his story to be more credible than,  "Mavs fans are taking this pretty well! Not one death threat!"

McMahon has been easily the most outspoken critic of Luka in the Dallas media for years. Some of it is valid, but there has been a bunch of it that is laughable. Now he has a book on Luka coming out in a few months and needs to be at the center of the story to push his book.

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5 minutes ago, ITHorn said:

McMahon has been easily the most outspoken critic of Luka in the Dallas media for years. Some of it is valid, but there has been a bunch of it that is laughable. Now he has a book on Luka coming out in a few months and needs to be at the center of the story to push his book.

Never trust someone in the media who has a book coming out to be neutral.  Sports media, political media, etc.  All they care about is pushing the book and making money, not the truth. 

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4 hours ago, CurlyDumps said:

Calling McMahon a mouthpiece is hilarious. His nickname on The Hoop Collective podcast is Banned McMahon because Cuban revoked his media credentials once. Kidd has publicly excoriated him for not being positive enough.  They don't like him precisely because he's not their mouthpiece.

Of course there were death threats. When stuff like this happens in the social media age, when are there not? Kickers get death threats for missing field goals. Mavs have their own security team so they handled it themselves and didn't report it to LE. That is, according to Mouthpiece McMahon. I find his story to be more credible than,  "Mavs fans are taking this pretty well! Not one death threat!"

It's pretty evident Nico's been using Macmahon to get his side of the story out the past week.  As for the past couple of years, can you think of someone else who has apparently also been critical of Luka this entire time?

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The Mavs brain trusts had better brace themselves. Every time the media gushes about Luka in LA being a match made in Heaven, the white hot rage of the Dallas fans will grow hotter. It won’t end until Nico leaves to work for the Adelson’s casino empire and the Mavs organization is left in a pile of rubble.

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52 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The Mavs brain trusts had better brace themselves. Every time the media gushes about Luka in LA being a match made in Heaven, the white hot rage of the Dallas fans will grow hotter. It won’t end until Nico leaves to work for the Adelson’s casino empire and the Mavs organization is left in a pile of rubble.

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ESPN incessantly slobbing the Lakers knob last night was just fucking brutal. It was like a two hour plus commercial for Laker exceptionalism. The announcers were giddy with the idea that it was somehow destiny that the Lakers end up with another generational talent to build around. They were still incredulous that anybody could be so stupid to trade a 25 year old who is a top 5 player in the world. Like, "Can you believe what the Lakers just fell into? There's Rob Pelinka.... the guy who magically made it happen. He must have the world's largest rabbit foot up his ass! Isn't this great!"

I don't even like Luka or the Mavs and it made me want to puke. I can't imagine what you Dallas fans are going through. Those fuckers were due for another post-Kobe style walk through the desert in Lebron's twilight years and we were robbed of that. 

And I want to hate Luka for all this... but it's not his fault. It's not like he asked for this. He still looks as shell shocked as the rest of us that he's playing with Lebron. Jesus, what a colossal unforced fuck up this whole thing is. How does this shit happen in 2025? 

 

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Seemed like the NBA was finished with totally incompetent and/or malevolent GMs and owners in the vein of David Khan, Donald Sterling, and the like.  Felt like for the most part the fans were left bickering about fringe moves at the end of the rotation and whether or not ownership would hold its nose and go into the tax/apron.

Boy have the Mavs proved me wrong. 

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33 minutes ago, MrX said:

Seemed like the NBA was finished with totally incompetent and/or malevolent GMs and owners in the vein of David Khan, Donald Sterling, and the like.  Felt like for the most part the fans were left bickering about fringe moves at the end of the rotation and whether or not ownership would hold its nose and go into the tax/apron.

Boy have the Mavs proved me wrong. 

Lol. Simmons and the dudes he had on talked about this on a trade deadline pod. They were like "this feels like the NBA of the early 2000s" and Khan's name came up. 

The AD instant non-contact tweak feels like the basketball Gods spiting Dallas. He's actually been fairly durable the past couple seasons and has avoided those type of nags.

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

ESPN incessantly slobbing the Lakers knob last night was just fucking brutal. It was like a two hour plus commercial for Laker exceptionalism. The announcers were giddy with the idea that it was somehow destiny that the Lakers end up with another generational talent to build around. They were still incredulous that anybody could be so stupid to trade a 25 year old who is a top 5 player in the world. Like, "Can you believe what the Lakers just fell into? There's Rob Pelinka.... the guy who magically made it happen. He must have the world's largest rabbit foot up his ass! Isn't this great!"

I don't even like Luka or the Mavs and it made me want to puke. I can't imagine what you Dallas fans are going through. Those fuckers were due for another post-Kobe style walk through the desert in Lebron's twilight years and we were robbed of that. 

And I want to hate Luka for all this... but it's not his fault. It's not like he asked for this. He still looks as shell shocked as the rest of us that he's playing with Lebron. Jesus, what a colossal unforced fuck up this whole thing is. How does this shit happen in 2025? 

 

I can't hate Luka. I feel bad for him. Shit - I never hated him on the Mavs - I've always been fairly indifferent when it comes to him or Jokic winning. 

That said I hope the Lakers never win a title with him under contract. I hope they never make the Finals. Frankly - every game they win with Luka on the court will make me slightly sick to my stomach. 

Which - frankly - makes me more impatient with the Spurs. My internal monologue is screaming - "we need to get good and start challenging these fucks NOW".  

That may be a little unreasonable but shit, man. I feel like Wemby needs to keep them from getting another dynasty going. 

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Lol. Simmons and the dudes he had on talked about this on a trade deadline pod. They were like "this feels like the NBA of the early 2000s" and Khan's name came up. 

The AD instant non-contact tweak feels like the basketball Gods spiting Dallas. He's actually been fairly durable the past couple seasons and has avoided those type of nags.

I can't hate Luka. I feel bad for him. Shit - I never hated him on the Mavs - I've always been fairly indifferent when it comes to him or Jokic winning. 

That said I hope the Lakers never win a title with him under contract. I hope they never make the Finals. Frankly - every game they win with Luka on the court will make me slightly sick to my stomach. 

Funny. I did not hear the Simmons trade pod, but him ragging on David Khan isn’t anything new. And Khan deserves every bit of all the vitriol directed his way - truly a disastrous tenure. 

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8 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Maybe I'm reading the room wrong here, but I'm getting the feeling that the Lakers may not be all that popular around here.  

I haven't loved what the Spurs have been doing this season either so, you know, you're in good company. 

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4 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

I'm no big time business expert, but it seems to me that removing your most fervent and passionate customers from your place of business is not a sound business practice.

Unless you want that location to go out of business and move the whole shop to a more favorable location...

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26 minutes ago, AbeFroman said:

Money quote:

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Unlike at the American Airlines Center, where fans have been ejected for even mouthing "Fire Nico,"SMU fans did not hold back. Even little kids joined in on the dogging.

 

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21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Money quote:

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, AbeFroman said:

This needs to happen any time he shows his face in public, especially since he will not face the music. 

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Man I like Cuban but a T-shirt at a Mavs game is not going to incite violence 

Grant Afseth] “So let’s say you had an innocent fire [someone] shirt, if security thinks they could lead to someone reacting violently or belligerently, they can take action." - Mark Cuban in response to fans getting tossed.

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Did Nico seriously not see this coming? Did he really think the fanbase thought Luka was too fat and that all those points and NBA finals appearances were a problem?

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Man I like Cuban but a T-shirt at a Mavs game is not going to incite violence 

 

Grant Afseth] “So let’s say you had an innocent fire [someone] shirt, if security thinks they could lead to someone reacting violently or belligerently, they can take action." - Mark Cuban in response to fans getting tossed.

I think Cuban is trying to stand up for the front line staff since nobody else from the front office seems to want to do it. What’s crazy is that you’re hearing more from a minority owner than the controlling group.
I want to hear more about success and culture from Patrick DuMont, Ballknower.

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I think Cuban is trying to stand up for the front line staff since nobody else from the front office seems to want to do it. What’s crazy is that you’re hearing more from a minority owner than the controlling group.
I want to hear more about success and culture from Patrick DuMont, Ballknower.

I get it. But it comes across as “criticizing the regime is akin to hate speech” 

If you don’t want to be criticized, don’t go into the public sphere. Actors, writers, politicians, athletes and sports owners 

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The one guy escorted out wasn't wearing anything that mentioned Nico.  So the Maverick's response that they were escorted out for violating NBA rules by what they were wearing was complete bullshit.  The big fat guy had on a sweater with no writing, and no hat.  He got escorted out for mouthing "Fire Nico" on the big screen.  That is such bullshit.

 

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6 minutes ago, Deej said:

Should fly a drone around the arena pulling a sign that says "Nico is not our standard"

There's already one of those trucks with a big sign on it doing that. At least it was on Saturday. 

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The Ticket read an interesting email from a fan. The fan said the new ownership is tossing people out because that’s what they know - running casinos, where they toss anyone out they don’t  want in there. I despise this new ownership group. 

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49 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

The one guy escorted out wasn't wearing anything that mentioned Nico.  So the Maverick's response that they were escorted out for violating NBA rules by what they were wearing was complete bullshit.  The big fat guy had on a sweater with no writing, and no hat.  He got escorted out for mouthing "Fire Nico" on the big screen.  That is such bullshit.

 

Very James Dolan-esque

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8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

The Ticket read an interesting email from a fan. The fan said the new ownership is tossing people out because that’s what they know - running casinos, where they toss anyone out they don’t  want in there. I despise this new ownership group. 


Eh,

 

Cuban was screaming “fuck you” repeatedly at a guy that brought a fire Nico sign to the game the other night. 

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I'm also not buying the "move to Vegas" conspiracy theories.  I think some variation of this is how it played out based on everything I've read (which has been way too much).

1.  Nico and Luka clashed and potentially didn't like each other.  Luka probably did take advantage of his superstar status (as most probably do) and had his own personal medical team, etc. involved, and yes, did have documented issues as far as conditioning, dealing with refs, drinking, etc. (not unlike Nash and Dirk at that age who I saw out all the time during that era).

2.  Nico and new ownership didn't really help the above dynamic by running off long time Mavs support staff that Luka had good relationships with.

3.  Nico's surrounded himself with "Yes" men in the front office.

4.  Nico's background is AAU driven/U.S. basketball and he's not as comfortable with European influence/European star player.

5.  Nico had a longstanding (going back to high school) personal relationship Anthony Davis, and considering all of the above, believed AD to be a much more comfortable "fit" for him and what he envisions for the Mavs.  It was always AD or bust for him regardless of reports to the contrary.  Lakers able to take advantage of this.

6.  There was zero regard for state of franchise post the Kyrie/AD window.  Nico has no desire to still have this position once Mavs are in full rebuild.

7.   So given the above, Nico convinced himself (without anyone providing strong opposition) that this was in fact a good basketball move.   Dumont is fucking clueless about basketball in all aspects and allowed himself to be convinced by Nico that this was a good move.   

8.  Nico and new ownership aren't from Dallas, have zero appreciation for Mavs history and Dirk in particular.  They had no idea what the quote on his statue said and no appreciation for how much the 2 way "loyalty" with Dirk meant to all during the era of star players bouncing around and teaming up together, and thus no appreciation that Luka was, to this fanbase, the more talented heir apparent.  Thus, they completely underestimated the fan backlash.

9.  Cuban had been frozen out and had no real opportunity to save these idiots from themselves.

10.  The entire organization, after completely under appreciating the fan backlash and not expecting the almost universal assessment that this was, in fact, an absolutely retarded basketball move, has managed this from a PR perspective about as bad a humanly possible.

 

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19 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


Eh,

 

Cuban was screaming “fuck you” repeatedly at a guy that brought a fire Nico sign to the game the other night. 

He gave comments via email to ... someone. WFAA maybe?  He said he wasn't annoyed at the content, he was annoyed that he kept doing it when our guys were shooting FTs. 

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4 hours ago, 'stache said:

Did Nico seriously not see this coming? Did he really think the fanbase thought Luka was too fat and that all those points and NBA finals appearances were a problem?

I think this is one of those “never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity” moments. In your office, you can encounter the sports fan who believes “Davis is better than Luka! He will do more to win a championship!”

In the office, you tune that guy out. You know he is an idiot, so you do engage. 
 
If that guy phones a radio sports show with that opinion, he doesn’t get through. The reason sports radio listeners don’t hear that kind of opinion is because the hosts know it’s too stupid to talk about, bad radio. Not that no one thinks it. 
 
Nico really thinks Davis is better than Doncic. He will probably always think that. Obviously, he is an idiot. 

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In regard to the thread title- Robert traylor for dirk nowitzki AND pat garrity was pretty one-sided. It just wasn’t known to be so at the time of execution. (And was really a 1st rd pick swap plus a player). 

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Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas could end up being a pretty apt comparison.   Remains to be seen how it plays out but Orioles won the world series, Robinson hit for the Triple Crown and Reds went from 4th place to 7th.

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

I'm also not buying the "move to Vegas" conspiracy theories.  I think some variation of this is how it played out based on everything I've read (which has been way too much).

1.  Nico and Luka clashed and potentially didn't like each other.  Luka probably did take advantage of his superstar status (as most probably do) and had his own personal medical team, etc. involved, and yes, did have documented issues as far as conditioning, dealing with refs, drinking, etc. (not unlike Nash and Dirk at that age who I saw out all the time during that era).

2.  Nico and new ownership didn't really help the above dynamic by running off long time Mavs support staff that Luka had good relationships with.

3.  Nico's surrounded himself with "Yes" men in the front office.

4.  Nico's background is AAU driven/U.S. basketball and he's not as comfortable with European influence/European star player.

5.  Nico had a longstanding (going back to high school) personal relationship Anthony Davis, and considering all of the above, believed AD to be a much more comfortable "fit" for him and what he envisions for the Mavs.  It was always AD or bust for him regardless of reports to the contrary.  Lakers able to take advantage of this.

6.  There was zero regard for state of franchise post the Kyrie/AD window.  Nico has no desire to still have this position once Mavs are in full rebuild.

7.   So given the above, Nico convinced himself (without anyone providing strong opposition) that this was in fact a good basketball move.   Dumont is fucking clueless about basketball in all aspects and allowed himself to be convinced by Nico that this was a good move.   

8.  Nico and new ownership aren't from Dallas, have zero appreciation for Mavs history and Dirk in particular.  They had no idea what the quote on his statue said and no appreciation for how much the 2 way "loyalty" with Dirk meant to all during the era of star players bouncing around and teaming up together, and thus no appreciation that Luka was, to this fanbase, the more talented heir apparent.  Thus, they completely underestimated the fan backlash.

9.  Cuban had been frozen out and had no real opportunity to save these idiots from themselves.

10.  The entire organization, after completely under appreciating the fan backlash and not expecting the almost universal assessment that this was, in fact, an absolutely retarded basketball move, has managed this from a PR perspective about as bad a humanly possible.

 

This is a pretty good take, but regardless- I wonder how much value the Mavericks have lost as a franchise in the last two weeks, $100mm? More?

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14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is a pretty good take, but regardless- I wonder how much value the Mavericks have lost as a franchise in the last two weeks, $100mm? More?

How can you value its soul?

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Defense appears to be a problem when you give up 131 to the Jazz.  This was the worst trade ever.  Luka 1-5 from the line.  His fat belly must’ve got in the way of his shot.  Fire Pelinka.

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FYI Dallas real estate people: Apparently Las Vegas Sands COO and ballknower Patrick Dumont will be speaking at The Real Estate Council luncheon today at the Westin Galleria from 1130-1.

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Join us for our first Bank of Texas Speaker Series of 2025! We will host Patrick Dumont, Las Vegas Sands president and COO and Dallas Mavericks majority owner for an engaging conversation about NBA ownership, the Sands Corporation business model, and the possible expansion of gaming in Texas.

 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

FYI Dallas real estate people: Apparently Las Vegas Sands COO and ballknower Patrick Dumont will be speaking at The Real Estate Council luncheon today at the Westin Galleria from 1130-1.

 

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