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Buyouts are much harder now. You can’t do it if you are a 2nd apron team and 1st apron teams have to consider the old salary and the mid-level exception.

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5 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

He’s one of the few non-Lakers I would watch when I had time before he was traded. He plays the game with the joy a kid has for it. Kinda like Magic back in the Showtime days except he can shoot. The NBA has very, very few guys in any given generation that can carry a team to a title. Steph has been one, LeBron was that guy when he was younger and so was Dirk at the height of his powers among others. If Wemby stays relatively healthy he is one as well. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out Doncic is one of those guys after the run last season.
 

Nico is still an all-time on the moron GM list for this trade. Unless he was explicitly told to trade Luka or lose his job by that oompa loompa Dumont he should never get a job in the NBA ever again.

He reminds me of that Weathersby preacher guy for Texans. 

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6 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

He’s one of the few non-Lakers I would watch when I had time before he was traded. He plays the game with the joy a kid has for it. Kinda like Magic back in the Showtime days except he can shoot. The NBA has very, very few guys in any given generation that can carry a team to a title. Steph has been one, LeBron was that guy when he was younger and so was Dirk at the height of his powers among others. If Wemby stays relatively healthy he is one as well. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out Doncic is one of those guys after the run last season.
 

Nico is still an all-time on the moron GM list for this trade. Unless he was explicitly told to trade Luka or lose his job by that oompa loompa Dumont he should never get a job in the NBA ever again.

Nico is probably going to get Adam Silver's job when he decides to hang it up.  

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7 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

He’s one of the few non-Lakers I would watch when I had time before he was traded. He plays the game with the joy a kid has for it. Kinda like Magic back in the Showtime days except he can shoot. The NBA has very, very few guys in any given generation that can carry a team to a title. Steph has been one, LeBron was that guy when he was younger and so was Dirk at the height of his powers among others. If Wemby stays relatively healthy he is one as well. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out Doncic is one of those guys after the run last season.
 

Nico is still an all-time on the moron GM list for this trade. Unless he was explicitly told to trade Luka or lose his job by that oompa loompa Dumont he should never get a job in the NBA ever again.

I posted this in the Mavs thread, but this still doesn't let Nico off the hook for me. He should have just resigned if this was forced upon him or, at the very least, got a much better deal. 

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6 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Buyouts are much harder now. You can’t do it if you are a 2nd apron team and 1st apron teams have to consider the old salary and the mid-level exception.

i follow a lot of sports, and there’s isn’t another sport on the planet with all of this “second apron”, “bird rights”, “luxury tax” and other financial nonsense convoluting the moving or signing of players. 

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i follow a lot of sports, and there’s isn’t another sport on the planet with all of this “second apron”, “bird rights”, “luxury tax” and other financial nonsense convoluting the moving or signing of players. 

The NFL is convoluted as well.

Rich white people making complex systems so they don’t pay the “help” their value.
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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Doncid 22/12/12.  Bron being out is going to be interesting.  Will see how Redick does when Luka gets doubled constantly.

8-26 shooting and didn't help that Reaves was 3-14 for 17 points with 11 coming from FTs. 

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10 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

29 for Luka at the half. Me does the no this trade may work out.
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Being at the Lakers game probably a better call than watching UCLA right now. 

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2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Yeah they gave up 146 to the Bulls.

Strong effort LA. 

Bronny was able to miss 4 shots in 7 minutes of garbage time. 

Seemed like the bulls just couldn’t miss.  

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13 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


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Nope, this is worse, by a ton. Most business decisions involve some form of speculation about the future and getting it wrong happens quite often. Having an established generational top 3 player who just took you to the finals and was beloved by the fanbase and trading him for peanuts involves no speculation. If they had gotten a ton of draft picks in return at least there's some business decisions being made but they didn't get shit in return. The equivalent would be if Netflix today sold it's business to Amazon in exchange for some office furniture.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

Man, what a kick to the nuts for the Mavs fans and Luka to have to sit there and watch that knowing what the franchise did to them and him.

Just devastating. I've never lived in the same place for long, and the only two times that I've lived within an hour or so of a professional sports city, their teams up and moved (Sonics and Chargers), so I'm fortunate enough to feel no real attachment or loyalty towards any pro sports team. I cannot imagine being a true Dallas sports fan today. I'd up and quit and never think about the Mavs again. But I realize that that's not how sports works.

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Just devastating. I've never lived in the same place for long, and the only two times that I've lived within an hour or so of a professional sports city, their teams up and moved (Sonics and Chargers), so I'm fortunate enough to feel no real attachment or loyalty towards any pro sports team. I cannot imagine being a true Dallas sports fan today. I'd up and quit and never think about the Mavs again. But I realize that that's not how sports works.

That's about the long and short of it for a lot of us. My son is still trying to be a Mavs fan but he's lost a lot of..I don't even know what you'd call it-- faith? trust? respect? for the team and it's definitely a more muted emotional investment. 

I truly think if Cuban had a magic 8 ball and could see the future, for all his faults, he would not have sold his majority stake to these clowns and I think he'd have waited and done another deal if he wanted out. Right or wrong, this is a stain on his legacy whether he had the power to stop it or not-- perception is reality.

And some for Nico. I'm in the camp that Nico was largely the empty suit on this and it was drive from above his paygrade and he was the fall-guy and patzi and is being paid to wear this scarlet letter. But if that's the case, he's not a very sympathetic victim in my eyes. He sold out his integrity and reputation and he will wear this albatross around his neck for the rest of his career. I would be surprised if he could reinvent himself when this is all over. He's going to need to just take his money and retire on a beach somewhere.

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21 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I truly think if Cuban had a magic 8 ball and could see the future, for all his faults, he would not have sold his majority stake to these clowns and I think he'd have waited and done another deal if he wanted out. Right or wrong, this is a stain on his legacy whether he had the power to stop it or not-- perception is reality.

Cuban knew exactly what he was doing. It’s not like the Adelsons are an unknown quantity. He’s just another greedy billionaire like the rest of them.

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This isn’t the worst trade in nba history. 

This isn’t the worst trade in sports history. 

This is the worst business decision in business history. 

 

Yahoo passing on acquiring Google for $1 MILLION ranks up there.  But this still might be the worst.

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Cuban knew exactly what he was doing. It’s not like the Adelsons are an unknown quantity. He’s just another greedy billionaire like the rest of them.

I'm willing to give Cuban the benefit of the doubt here.  He thought he was going to retain control of basketball operations.  How could he have predicted 1.) Dumont was going to listen solely to Nico and that 2.) Nico would have done something this blindingly incompetent?

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Just now, gsoda3 said:

 

Yahoo passing on acquiring Google for $1 MILLION ranks up there.  But this still might be the worst.

I'm willing to give Cuban the benefit of the doubt here.  He thought he was going to retain control of basketball operations.  How could he have predicted 1.) Dumont was going to listen solely to Nico and that 2.) Nico would have done something this blindingly incompetent?

Dude, he sold the team to the Adelsons, one of the shittiest families in the country. I don’t think Cuban is an unintelligent man, so that points to him knowing exactly who he was selling the team to. 

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Dude, he sold the team to the Adelsons, one of the shittiest families in the country. I don’t think Cuban is an unintelligent man, so that points to him knowing exactly who he was selling the team to. 

Had you even heard of the Adelsons before this deal? The only thing I knew them for was the Sands and even then it was only Sheldon Adelson I had any knowledge of.  Why are they the worst?  Because Miriam donated to Trump?  

Sounds like you're being irrational in your anger and assigning blame to Cuban in an unreasonable expectation he should have just known.

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Just now, gsoda3 said:

Had you even heard of the Adelsons before this deal? The only thing I knew them for was the Sands and even then it was only Sheldon Adelson I had any knowledge of.  Why are they the worst?  Because Miriam donated to Trump?  

Sounds like you're being irrational in your anger and assigning blame to Cuban in an unreasonable expectation he should have just known.

I absolutely knew of the Adelsons and I guarantee Cuban did, too. Even if for some very odd reason that he didn’t, he would have had a team that did due diligence on them before entering into business transaction with them. They are slimy businesspeople with highly questionable ethics and a well documented history. 

I’m not angry or irrational. I’m not a fan of the Mavs and think the NBA is boring so I don’t really have a dog in the fight from a sports loyalty perspective. 

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25 minutes ago, royiv said:

I absolutely knew of the Adelsons and I guarantee Cuban did, too. Even if for some very odd reason that he didn’t, he would have had a team that did due diligence on them before entering into business transaction with them. They are slimy businesspeople with highly questionable ethics and a well documented history. 

I’m not angry or irrational. I’m not a fan of the Mavs and think the NBA is boring so I don’t really have a dog in the fight from a sports loyalty perspective. 

I don't think you understand how big of a fan Cuban actually was. He was as passionate about this team as any of us in here. He wouldn't have done this if he thought it was even a remote possibility this could have happened. 

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2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

I don't think you understand how big of a fan Cuban actually was. He was as passionate about this team as any of us in here. He wouldn't have done this if he thought it was even a remote possibility this could have happened. 

Keep telling yourself that, bud. So your argument is that Cuban is a dumb businessman? Do you understand how silly that sounds? He’s just another billionaire. I used to think differently of him back when i lived in Dallas 20+ years ago. I thought he was different, but he’s not. 

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Keep telling yourself that, bud. So your argument is that Cuban is a dumb businessman? Do you understand how silly that sounds? He’s just another billionaire. I used to think differently of him back when i lived in Dallas 20+ years ago. I thought he was different, but he’s not. 
Agreed. Cuban is a billionaire. Money will always come before the Mavs. He looks bad either way like you've mentioned. Either he didn't do his research on this group and he's dumb or he knew and just didn't give a shit because.... Money. I'll go with the latter.
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Just now, royiv said:

Keep telling yourself that, bud. So your argument is that Cuban is a dumb businessman? Do you understand how silly that sounds? He’s just another billionaire. I used to think differently of him back when i lived in Dallas 20+ years ago. I thought he was different, but he’s not. 

I think you assigning blame to Cuban by asserting he should have been able to see the new owners overriding his judgement on basketball operations, ceding final word to a GM that Cuban himself hired, and having that GM do something that almost no one else in the City of Dallas would have done is ridiculous. You yourself said you don't follow the NBA.  Yet you're opining on this like you're familiar with Cuban's previous actions.  He wouldn't have done anything that would have hurt the team like this.  He's sacrificed tens of if not hundreds of millions of dollars for the betterment of this team.  

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4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:
6 minutes ago, royiv said:
Keep telling yourself that, bud. So your argument is that Cuban is a dumb businessman? Do you understand how silly that sounds? He’s just another billionaire. I used to think differently of him back when i lived in Dallas 20+ years ago. I thought he was different, but he’s not. 

Agreed. Cuban is a billionaire. Money will always come before the Mavs. He looks bad either way like you've mentioned. Either he didn't do his research on this group and he's dumb or he knew and just didn't give a shit because.... Money. I'll go with the latter.

Except when it doesn't, and it never had when it came to the Mavericks until he sold the team.  How much money has he *willingly* lost on the team all these years for the sake of keeping ticket prices low?  How many times did he say losing games hurts worse than losing money?  

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12 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

I don't think you understand how big of a fan Cuban actually was. He was as passionate about this team as any of us in here. He wouldn't have done this if he thought it was even a remote possibility this could have happened. 

Has he expressed such a sentiment?  Being minority owner doesn’t mean keep quiet or toe the company line. 

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