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  On 4/11/2025 at 5:34 PM, gsoda3 said:

 

 

So... nothing business related?  Legitimately asking.  Because several of you have replied with versions of "how stupid is Cuban to not have known about them..." but it sounds like there's nothing to know about except whatever political projections have been cast.

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Read up on how Adelson influenced the DoJ to reverse federal rulings on online gambling during Trump 1.0. 
 

And also:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/sheldon-adelsons-casino-company-pays-7m-penalty/

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-investigation-of-leading-republican-money-man-sheldon-adelson

https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/08/28/sheldon-adelsons-sands-casino-to-pay-47-million-fine-for-failing-to-report-deposits-from-alleged-drug-trafficker/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/23/las-vegas-tycoon-sheldon-adelson-to-face-graft-accusations-in-us-court
 

I can keep going. Bottom line is that this is not a family known for being on the up and up with their business dealings.


 

 

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  On 4/11/2025 at 5:34 PM, gsoda3 said:

So... nothing business related?  Legitimately asking.  Because several of you have replied with versions of "how stupid is Cuban to not have known about them..." but it sounds like there's nothing to know about except whatever political projections have been cast.

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Well shes the kind of person that would trade one of the best players in the league who also happens to be a beloved player in the city he plays in and would likely have played another 15 years in said city for peanuts. 

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  On 4/11/2025 at 5:46 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

They will when their new majority owners relocate them to Las Vegas.

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For the LAST time they are NOT leaving North Texas. The NBA will not abandon a Top 4 Media Market(this isn't Seattle or Vancouver), and the even BIGGER reason is that the League and Owners will make MORE by adding expansion team with the new Owners "Buy In", which would be something like triple what they'd have to pay to relocate(plus losing the market).  Follow the $$$

This trade was NOT to get the team to move. It was just stupid people making stupid decisions based on Ego.

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Lol, blaming Cuban for this trade is so weak and stupid. I know the wound is still fresh, but come on, he never would have even shopped Luka. And no owner would expect the buyer of a new team to come in and trade the teams best player for a mediocre return. Could you imagine if the new Celtics owner sent Tatum to the Clippers for Kawhi? Nobody in their right mind would do that, but that's similar to what happened here. 

I think this was a weird cost cutting measure by the new owners to avoid paying Luka a supermax, to reduce roster costs, avoid luxury tax and squeeze every penny possible out of this franchise. They are operating the team like a private equity firm that adopted the Pittsburgh Pirates management method, not an NBA fan or someone who cares about winning.

Whether or not it has something to do with influencing Texas politics on gambling is still TBD, but it might be a part of the decision process. Just 3 days after this trade several high level Texas politicians, including Governor Abbott advocated publicly for legalization of gambling in Texas. I don't know if that conspiracy is true, but the timing sure is an interesting coincidence.

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  On 4/12/2025 at 4:22 PM, Drew said:

For the LAST time they are NOT leaving North Texas. The NBA will not abandon a Top 4 Media Market(this isn't Seattle or Vancouver), and the even BIGGER reason is that the League and Owners will make MORE by adding expansion team with the new Owners "Buy In", which would be something like triple what they'd have to pay to relocate(plus losing the market).  Follow the $$$

This trade was NOT to get the team to move. It was just stupid people making stupid decisions based on Ego.

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I don’t think you understand: they ruined this franchise and hate us, and we want them to take it away.

 

Also, what the fuck is a “North Texas?” Is that where 469 is?

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  On 4/12/2025 at 7:14 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t think you understand: they ruined this franchise and hate us, and we want them to take it away.

 

Also, what the fuck is a “North Texas?” Is that where 469 is?

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It’s all South Oklahoma anyway.

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The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:
The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 
Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

The NBA shouldve blocked that trade. that’s a catastrophe. Even an average fantasy football commissioner would have vetoed that based on shenanigans.
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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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They are going to lose more than that if I had to guess. 

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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If we’re talking conspiracy theories, mine is that the trade was a requirement of the NBA approving the sale of the Mavs to the Adelsons. (I don’t really believe this)

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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Adelsons are definitely the villains here, and Nico is the sycophant willing to shoulder the blame. He deserves all the hate he's gotten, but the Adelsons deserve as much if not more

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 

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Most sure where you saw that, but I would agree. What’s more significant however is the destroyed enterprise value, probably well over $1B.

That’s why the conspiracy theories stick- the only way it makes financial sense is in the context of attaching the team to a new arena + casino complex, either in “North Texas” (IOW, not Dallas) but more likely in Vegas. 
Even if putting that play in motion was not the intent at the time of the trade, it is probably required now to salvage the investment. 

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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New owners tanking the teams value and will use it against the city of Dallas so they can move to Vegas for hotel chain superiority!

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  On 4/12/2025 at 7:14 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t think you understand: they ruined this franchise and hate us, and we want them to take it away.

 

Also, what the fuck is a “North Texas?” Is that where 469 is?

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You know what the fuck north Texas is, since the new arena won't be in Dallas...most likely move the irving plot of land that Texas Stadium used to be on.

Also I want Nico and the Owners gone, not the Mavs.

I understand it hurt...they destroyed this fan base. But the Mavericks were more than just Luka. And while I may not support THIS team until AT LEAST Nico his strapped to a rocket and shot to the sun...they'll always be my team.

I don't get the folks jumping ship honestly.  I get giving up on the Mavs due to this...i just can't understand cheering for another team.  Be like if Texas shut down the football program. I wouldn't go find another college team. I just wouldn't watch basketball at all(and I haven't really much since the trade)

  On 4/14/2025 at 1:07 PM, immamac said:

They are going to lose more than that if I had to guess. 

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way more IMO.

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:09 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Most sure where you saw that, but I would agree. What’s more significant however is the destroyed enterprise value, probably well over $1B.

That’s why the conspiracy theories stick- the only way it makes financial sense is in the context of attaching the team to a new arena + casino complex, either in “North Texas” (IOW, not Dallas) but more likely in Vegas. 
Even if putting that play in motion was not the intent at the time of the trade, it is probably required now to salvage the investment. 

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They are not moving. This has been debunked so many times over.  The league will LOSE Money, not just the Mavs owner, for them to make this move, so it won't happen.

Once again, a Team will be in Vegas...but it'll be a new team with a massive buy in that the owners get a cut of.

They are not going to abandon a top 4 media market with no realistic team coming in it's place.

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I just heard a funny detail about Nico - that he's the brainchild behind "Black Mamba." Is this true? I had always thought it was Kobe who arrogantly ripped a nickname from Kill Bill and claimed it as his own. If Nico was the vapid douchebag culprit of this criminal IP theft, it makes even more sense why he's such a huge Kobe simp. He thinks he co-created "Mamba mentality."

more I learn about this guy, the more there is to laugh at.  

 

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  On 4/14/2025 at 4:23 PM, Drew said:

 

They are not moving. This has been debunked so many times over.  The league will LOSE Money, not just the Mavs owner, for them to make this move, so it won't happen.

Once again, a Team will be in Vegas...but it'll be a new team with a massive buy in that the owners get a cut of.

They are not going to abandon a top 4 media market with no realistic team coming in it's place.

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I've seen this brought up a number of times and never seen any documented support so it's just a theory to me at this point. Also, would it really matter to the owners if the Mavs moved to Vegas and DFW was awarded the new expansion as opposed to expanding directly to Vegas? I'm thinking Houston, Cleveland, Charlotte, that lost teams then got new expansion franchises. Either way, what the owner is doing is intentional, there is no one on earth who thinks that there was any caclulus upon which the trade made any sense especially considering the lack of return. 

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That's to say they would already have a team lined up.  But I would suspect ownership group adding a team to Vegas would be more lucrative to those types than back to Dallas.

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  On 4/14/2025 at 4:23 PM, Drew said:

You know what the fuck north Texas is, since the new arena won't be in Dallas...most likely move the irving plot of land that Texas Stadium used to be on.

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Yeah, I know what it is. It describes the region outside of Dallas that is not the City of Dallas. 
 

  On 4/14/2025 at 4:23 PM, Drew said:

I don't get the folks jumping ship honestly.  I get giving up on the Mavs due to this...i just can't understand cheering for another team. 

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I can’t bring myself to root for another team but I really feel nothing for this organization all of a sudden, and if it leaves Downtown Dallas for Irving that would also feel like betrayal to me. The Mavs have always been a part of city life*. 
 

  On 4/14/2025 at 4:23 PM, Drew said:

They are not moving. This has been debunked so many times over. 

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No, they’ve just asserted that they have no plans to move. That doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen if they don’t get a stadium deal in “North Texas,” and while anything could happen, at this moment there’s not much taxpayer goodwill to pay for that, and even less for casino gambling. 
 

 

  On 4/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, 'stache said:

Also, would it really matter to the owners if the Mavs moved to Vegas and DFW was awarded the new expansion as opposed to expanding directly to Vegas?

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Probably, because Seattle is going to go before Vegas, and that will take a 3-4 years if it was announced today, so would likely  be 3-4 years after a move. 



 

*Im counting the Moody Coliseum playoff game in 1984 on account of the central location.

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  On 4/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

The Athletic is reporting that the Mavericks expect to lose 9 figures in revenue as a result of the Luka trade. Jesus. 
 

Give me your best conspiracy theories. My favorite is the Adelsons are tanking the franchise so they can move to Las Vegas. 

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My theory would be that they obviously want legal gambling here in Texas. She is very busy working on that. In the meantime, she wanted another big superstar in LA to draw people there, where they are closer to the casinos.

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I don't think the Mavs will move to Vegas. If you're an NBA owner, would you want to sell a new expansion team in Vegas for 6-7 billion split 30 ways, or one in Dallas for 4-5 billion?  

The Adelsons bought that team and already set the price for it. Moving it doesn't net new money for the league, unless they include a relocation fee of 2 billion, but I doubt that happens. The league will find some other billionaires to buy the expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle at a price of 6-8 billion each. 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 4:07 PM, Dutchrudder said:

I don't think the Mavs will move to Vegas. If you're an NBA owner, would you want to sell a new expansion team in Vegas for 6-7 billion split 30 ways, or one in Dallas for 4-5 billion?  

The Adelsons bought that team and already set the price for it. Moving it doesn't net new money for the league, unless they include a relocation fee of 2 billion, but I doubt that happens. The league will find some other billionaires to buy the expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle at a price of 6-8 billion each. 

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Why would the expansion fee for Dallas be that much less than for Seattle and/or Vegas?

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  On 4/14/2025 at 7:17 PM, Pam Cummings said:

My theory would be that they obviously want legal gambling here in Texas. She is very busy working on that. In the meantime, she wanted another big superstar in LA to draw people there, where they are closer to the casinos.

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How tanking the franchise help get legal gambling in Texas?

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  On 4/15/2025 at 4:07 PM, Dutchrudder said:

The Adelsons bought that team and already set the price for it. Moving it doesn't net new money for the league

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If there’s one thing the NBA Governors have demonstrated over and over, it is that they will allow any team to move if their local community doesn’t provide direct financial support for a new arena. 
 

That being the case, show me how the Mavericks organization has enough goodwill to get voter support for a giveaway (esp now, in a shakier economy, with higher financing and material costs due to tarriffs), or explain why the Adelsons would pay for one themselves without the additional revenue from a Casino complex.

Again, even if setting this situation up wasn’t the objective, they’ve already done the league a huge favor by sending the next historic great to the most important team, which is worth way more than an expansion fee. Why would the league stop them from doing what they want, if the taxpayers won’t pay up and the lege doesn’t give them what they need to make self-funding viable?

  On 4/15/2025 at 4:09 PM, 'stache said:

How tanking the franchise help get legal gambling in Texas?

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See above- if the taxpayers won’t support an arena, political pressure on the lege to allow gambling so the Mavs can self fund increases. My bet is that it’s not enough as long as the people who own the Lt gov and senate are still ascendant. 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 4:16 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

If there’s one thing the NBA Governors have demonstrated over and over, it is that they will allow any team to move if their local community doesn’t provide direct financial support for a new arena. 
 

That being the case, show me how the Mavericks organization has enough goodwill to get voter support for a giveaway (esp now, in a shakier economy, with higher financing and material costs due to tarriffs), or explain why the Adelsons would pay for one themselves without the additional revenue from a Casino complex.

Again, even if setting this situation up wasn’t the objective, they’ve already done the league a huge favor by sending the next historic great to the most important team, which is worth way more than an expansion fee. Why would the league stop them from doing what they want, if the taxpayers won’t pay up and the lege doesn’t give them what they need to make self-funding viable?

See above- if the taxpayers won’t support an arena, political pressure on the lege to allow gambling so the Mavs can self fund increases. My bet is that it’s not enough as long as the people who own the Lt gov and senate are still ascendant. 

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The part I don't get is why the state legislature as a whole would give a fuck about whether the Mavs move or stay. They've been against gambling for generations and nothing has really moved the needle including losing tons of revenue to the Oklahoma Indian tribes on the border. And I agree if she wants to move to Vegas the league isn't gonna do shit to stop her especially when she sets up that Dallas won't buy a new arena to replace what is already a fantastic venue, added to your point that she already bought their favor by sending a generational player to the most profitable team for peanuts.

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So what is is about AAC that a new arena is necessary?  If it’s attached to a hotel/casino complex I get it but shouldn’t they get the casino part legalized first before asking for money from Dallas county?  
 

and I haven’t heard peep about the stars in all of this- they happy to stay where they are?  They involved?  Would they be a possible tenant of the new place as a seperate transaction?

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  On 4/15/2025 at 4:07 PM, Dutchrudder said:

I don't think the Mavs will move to Vegas. If you're an NBA owner, would you want to sell a new expansion team in Vegas for 6-7 billion split 30 ways, or one in Dallas for 4-5 billion?  

The Adelsons bought that team and already set the price for it. Moving it doesn't net new money for the league, unless they include a relocation fee of 2 billion, but I doubt that happens. The league will find some other billionaires to buy the expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle at a price of 6-8 billion each. 

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Have you seen how well the teams who are in Vegas are doing financially? 

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Nico has to be the dumbest motherfucker in sports management.

You trade away a generational player for a shit package, enraging your fan base so much that months later they are still calling for your firing, and the first words out of your mouth since the trade are…“There’s no regrets.”

Holy shit. It’s hard to fathom the lack of self-awareness and “don’t-give-a-fuck” it takes to say that. 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 6:17 PM, Ghost of Shag said:

Nico has to be the dumbest motherfucker in sports management.

You trade away a generational player for a shit package, enraging your fan base so much that months later they are still calling for your firing, and the first words out of your mouth since the trade are…“There’s no regrets.”

Holy shit. It’s hard to fathom the lack of self-awareness and “don’t-give-a-fuck” it takes to say that. 

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were the millers no ragrets GIF

 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44685264/mavs-gm-nico-harrison-no-regrets-luka-doncic-trade

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  On 4/15/2025 at 6:17 PM, Ghost of Shag said:

Nico has to be the dumbest motherfucker in sports management.

You trade away a generational player for a shit package, enraging your fan base so much that months later they are still calling for your firing, and the first words out of your mouth since the trade are…“There’s no regrets.”

Holy shit. It’s hard to fathom the lack of self-awareness and “don’t-give-a-fuck” it takes to say that. 

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He's just saying what Miriam Adelson tells him to say

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  On 4/10/2025 at 11:20 PM, CurlyDumps said:

Pablo Torre covered the Adelsons & Mavericks sale on his show (9 months ago before the Luka trade btw).  It was a good episode. Cuban & the NBA knew exactly who they were selling to.

 

 

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This was an excellent video. PTFO is great content.

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  On 4/15/2025 at 4:08 PM, 'stache said:

Why would the expansion fee for Dallas be that much less than for Seattle and/or Vegas?

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Well, the estimates are already in the 6-7 billion range for a new Vegas team, and Cuban just sold the Mavs for a value of 4-4.5 billion. Unless you want to argue that Cuban undervalued his team, and sold at a 33% discount, I don't think the Dallas NBA team is going to fetch as much as Vegas. Plus you would be dealing with the loss of the "Mavericks" team as it moves to another city, and potentially losing the team history/Dirks legacy/trophy with it. 

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I really don't know, have the Adelsons even been coming to games?  Somehow this is to get leverage to legalize gambling in Texas.  I admit I'm not sure how.  I think the threat to move the Mavs is enough but wtf do I know?  

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The most tone deaf people on earth held a “round table” with select media and it went like you would expect

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Harrison was asked about how trading a 25-year-old generational talent was in the best interest of the team. He parried the question with another rendition of “Defense wins championships.” But weren’t the Mavericks already on the cusp of that championship last season? “Defense wins championships.” Welts tagged back in with an anecdote about his days in charge of the Warriors, when Golden State’s fanbase was furious at management for trading fan favorite (and future Mav) Monta Ellis, until a young point guard named Steph Curry came around. He apparently was oblivious to the notion that Dončić was Curry, not Ellis, in this analogy. 

Harrison reached a breaking point sometime around the 48-minute mark when MacMahon started to press about why the organization parted ways with former medical staff members Casey Smith, Jeremy Holsopple, and Casey Spangler. Smith, in particular, is regarded as one of league’s best in his role. “I’m not going to sit here and go back and forth,” Harrison said. “You’re coming at me from a negative standpoint, and I’m looking at it from a positive standpoint. The guys we brought in are better.” It was at that point that I thought MacMahon was going to stand up and leave. 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 7:14 PM, shakahorn said:

In Luka’s return game, Austin Reaves got much more applause than Jaxson Hayes when they introduced the lineup.

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Jesus man. Use your brain. There were Lakers fans at the game. Does the guy that averages 21/5/6 get more applause than the guy that averages 7 points?  
 

no, it must be based on where they went to college. 

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saying/believing that “defense wins championships” is like saying/believing that three yards and a cloud of dust is the best way to win football games in 2025. it’s so beyond outdated and empirically just wrong, that any executive who’s still working under this assumption should be fired for cause.

you know what wins championships? superstars. jokic, giannis, kawhi- they win championships. you had one of those guys, and you gave him away without even letting anyone know that he was available because “defense wins championships.” fuck that. this doesn’t even add up. i sweatergawd it makes more sense that the whole “tanking the team so they can move to vegas” angle makes more sense than the entire mavs organization believing that “defense wins championships” so fervently that they’d trade luka with no bidding war for a guy who’s been nicknamed “mr.glass.” just unreal. 

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  On 4/16/2025 at 4:50 PM, Derka said:

saying/believing that “defense wins championships” is like saying/believing that three yards and a cloud of dust is the best way to win football games in 2025. it’s so beyond outdated and empirically just wrong, that any executive who’s still working under this assumption should be fired for cause.

you know what wins championships? superstars. jokic, giannis, kawhi- they win championships. you had one of those guys, and you gave him away without even letting anyone know that he was available because “defense wins championships.” fuck that. this doesn’t even add up. i sweatergawd it makes more sense that the whole “tanking the team so they can move to vegas” angle makes more sense than the entire mavs organization believing that “defense wins championships” so fervently that they’d trade luka with no bidding war for a guy who’s been nicknamed “mr.glass.” just unreal. 

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short version - Nico is an idiot

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  On 4/16/2025 at 4:50 PM, Derka said:

saying/believing that “defense wins championships” is like saying/believing that three yards and a cloud of dust is the best way to win football games in 2025. it’s so beyond outdated and empirically just wrong, that any executive who’s still working under this assumption should be fired for cause.

you know what wins championships? superstars. jokic, giannis, kawhi- they win championships. you had one of those guys, and you gave him away without even letting anyone know that he was available because “defense wins championships.” fuck that. this doesn’t even add up.

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He's not entirely wrong...NBA champions are almost always in the top 5 defensively (2023 Denver being one of the few exceptions)...he's just purposely ignoring that other major factor that you point out. The recipe to winning a title is having a Top 5 defense AND, more importantly, one of the 5 best basketball players on the planet.

The former is a whole hell of a lot easier to find than the latter. Having one of the latter, even one as individually poor defensively as Luka, actually helps you achieve the former because they're so offensively elite that you can surround them with limited--but smart--defensive minded role players (who are cheaper anyway) and still be good offensively.

So, you know, keep those dudes when they're on your team, in their prime, and want to stay there.

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