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6 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

exactly.  Luka wanted to be in Dallas. as Mavs fans, we've seen so many big name free agents turn us down.  they had zero desire to play for or live in Dallas. but Dirk did, for 21 years, which is why he is so beloved.  and we lucked out by getting a generational talent who also wanted to play in Dallas, seemingly for the rest of his career, too. that's why this bridge has been burned forever.

and to add gasoline to the fire, these fuckwads pushed Luka out for a quarter of his value.  

 

And good luck getting a free agent to sign in Dallas in the future now that they know how ownership is going to treat them.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

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Not a Mavs fan at all but still feel sick for them. 
 

My fandom would be done until at least the GM was fired or the team sold. Letting a player like Luka go for nothing, what’s the point?

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https://africa.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43676830/how-stunning-luka-doncic-anthony-davis-trade-came-together-los-angeles-lakers-dallas-mavericks

If Doncic wasn't going to change his ways, the Mavericks figured they would prod him by making changes around him. In August 2023, the team fired former director of player health and performance Casey Smith, who has since been hired by Jalen Brunson's New York Knicks. After last season, the Mavs fired strength coach Jeremy Holsopple and manual therapist Casey Spangler. All three had been with the team since before Doncic was drafted and had strong relationships with him.

"They get rid of everybody I like," Doncic griped in recent months, one source said.

The plan backfired.

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35 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

IAside from how terrible a deal this was for Dallas, think about how Nico just treated one of the top five faces of the game, a five year first team all NBA, and future hall of famer. What great player will ever sign with this franchise in the future? No one. He’s demonstrated incredibly poor ethics and integrity. Fuck him. Mavericks are dead. 

So frustrating to see the talking heads on ESPN ignore this aspect. They snuck up behind their own franchise player and stabbed him in the back. 

 

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So Nico Harrison was afraid a trade would get scuttled because everyone finds out about it?  I thought the Adelsons were surely involved, but either Nico is willing to martyr himself for the Adelsons or this was truly his brainchild.  I am a Rockets fan, so, you know, whatever, but I still cannot get over not shopping him to at least ONE other team.  But in all honesty, valuing secrecy over a better trade haul is just plain dumb.

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Lowe brought it up, but this really makes the subtext behind Michael Finley grabbing a beer out of Luka's hand in the WCF celebration locker room a lot more juicy.

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12 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

 I am a Rockets fan, so, you know, whatever, but I still cannot get over not shopping him to at least ONE other team.  

Isn't the reporting that they did shop Luka to just one other team? We don't know what team, but I wonder if that team's front office was like "is this a joke?" 

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22 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

So Nico Harrison was afraid a trade would get scuttled because everyone finds out about it?  I thought the Adelsons were surely involved, but either Nico is willing to martyr himself for the Adelsons or this was truly his brainchild.  I am a Rockets fan, so, you know, whatever, but I still cannot get over not shopping him to at least ONE other team.  But in all honesty, valuing secrecy over a better trade haul is just plain dumb.

Doesn't make sense. Doing this trade without the blessing of ownership is a fireable offense, you would think. I tend to believe this was an ownership decision and Harrison is falling on the sword.

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Lowe brought it up, but this really makes the subtext behind Michael Finley grabbing a beer out of Luka's hand in the WCF celebration locker room a lot more juicy.

lol even I felt sorry for Luka and the disrespect shown by finley there.

You’re not his dad Mike. Stay in your lane
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I think it's a combo of Nico being tired of dealing with Luka, not thinking he would get him to re-sign, and the ownership not wanting to pay the Supermax. I could easily see Nico and the owners coming to an agreement to get Luka out for something. Nico just needs to weather the storm and he can go back to Nike at some point. It makes literally no sense to not talk to someone other than the Lakers to try to drive up the price. It's criminal to get as little as they did for Nico. It's GM malpractice and the fact that he's not fired means the ownership was completely good with it because they're too cheap to pay the Supermax. 

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

I think it's a combo of Nico being tired of dealing with Luka, not thinking he would get him to re-sign, and the ownership not wanting to pay the Supermax. I could easily see Nico and the owners coming to an agreement to get Luka out for something. Nico just needs to weather the storm and he can go back to Nike at some point. It makes literally no sense to not talk to someone other than the Lakers to try to drive up the price. It's criminal to get as little as they did for Nico. It's GM malpractice and the fact that he's not fired means the ownership was completely good with it because they're too cheap to pay the Supermax. 

i mean what time to be a Dallas fan.  one owner has a star player that isn't worth it and pays and the other owner has a player that is worth it and won't.

that said, I could easily see Luka firing up to pour it on and get his conditioning and health in order.  dude is 25 and a lot of shit starts to clear up overall about where you want to go, who you want to be and what it will take to get there.

He's also in LA where they will be able to get pieces around him fairly easily.

The Mavs are going to suck for years again.  Irving and Davis will be hurt constantly the next 2 years.

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26 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Irving and Davis will be hurt constantly the next 2 years.

Kyrie is probably about to go to Kenya for 40 days to get in touch with his sand spirits.

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Fuck. I think I need to watch some dwade 2006 highlights to feel better. Or Baron fucking Davis the next year. Even that shit is better than thinking more about trading away Luka.

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6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Kyrie is probably about to go to Kenya for 40 days to get in touch with his sand spirits.

Also of note, this deal gives Kyrie all of the leverage when he opts out this offseason. Nico HAS to win now, and there's not a single other ball handler on the roster. Can't pay Luka, but going to back the truck up for 33 year old Kyrie?

I'm sure that will play out perfectly smoothly.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

So frustrating to see the talking heads on ESPN ignore this aspect. They snuck up behind their own franchise player and stabbed him in the back. 

 

The only care about the lakers and what it means for them. Now the lakers, with a WORSE team have better title odds than the Mavs who are basically a ball handling guard away from being almost as good as last year, maybe better since Luka was hobbled for half a season and playoffs.

But even if so, they're doomed for the foreseeable future.  Fuck.

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1 hour ago, A-Tex Devil said:

So Nico Harrison was afraid a trade would get scuttled because everyone finds out about it?  I thought the Adelsons were surely involved, but either Nico is willing to martyr himself for the Adelsons or this was truly his brainchild.  I am a Rockets fan, so, you know, whatever, but I still cannot get over not shopping him to at least ONE other team.  But in all honesty, valuing secrecy over a better trade haul is just plain dumb.

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It should be noted that Dallas GM Nico Harrison’s most famous screw up USED to be for making a presentation so bad, Steph Curry left Nike and joined Under Armour.
 
 
 
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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

I think it's a combo of Nico being tired of dealing with Luka, not thinking he would get him to re-sign, and the ownership not wanting to pay the Supermax. I could easily see Nico and the owners coming to an agreement to get Luka out for something. Nico just needs to weather the storm and he can go back to Nike at some point. It makes literally no sense to not talk to someone other than the Lakers to try to drive up the price. It's criminal to get as little as they did for Nico. It's GM malpractice and the fact that he's not fired means the ownership was completely good with it because they're too cheap to pay the Supermax. 

Yeah, that's the one element of this thing that perplexes me.  I get wanting to keep it on the downlow, but not getting other teams involved was criminal.  Word is Harrison was pushing for Knecht AND Reaves as well, but Pelinka takled him out of that.  If this were a "market deal" (which rarely exists for superstars), they both would've have gone, if someone else didn't up it even higher.

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2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Doesn't make sense. Doing this trade without the blessing of ownership is a fireable offense, you would think. I tend to believe this was an ownership decision and Harrison is falling on the sword.

It's been reported Harrison negotiated the deal by himself and then took it to ownership, almost surely to Patrick Dumont, the Mavs' governor.  He laughed at Harrison at first but Harrison laid his case and owernship, after some semblance of evaluation I presuppose, allowed him to do it and signed off.  Now, could this be some made up story and Dumont and family demanded Harrison sell Luka as the beginning of a small set of dominos for a long game of moving the Mavericks to LV in several years?  Sure.  Is it the most likely story?  Probably not, but we live in a conspiracy theory world, so possibly.  It's not the story they're selling right now though....

2 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:


lol even I felt sorry for Luka and the disrespect shown by finley there.

You’re not his dad Mike. Stay in your lane

I've been rewinding that exchange in my mind.  It was terribly disrespectful but Finley, but most of us laughed it off.  Could an underlying reason the Mavs wanted to move on was they knew or felt Doncic had a drinking problem?  

 

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Also of note, this deal gives Kyrie all of the leverage when he opts out this offseason. Nico HAS to win now, and there's not a single other ball handler on the roster. Can't pay Luka, but going to back the truck up for 33 year old Kyrie?

I'm sure that will play out perfectly smoothly.

Exactly.... I think Lowe went over that on his podcast.  Now you have sign the terrorist Kyrie Irving to make all of this work and rely on him to be the leader of the team???  I'm sure that will go swimmingly.

 

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1 hour ago, bigcigar said:

Fuck. I think I need to watch some dwade 2006 highlights to feel better. Or Baron fucking Davis the next year. Even that shit is better than thinking more about trading away Luka.

Don’t forget about Jason Richardson 

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True or false, all the rumors about his conditioning being the issue has to burn Luka, and hopefully lights a fire under him to get into the best shape possible. Joke all you want about PEDs, but don't know that he will have a better teammate than LeBron if he truly cares about getting to and staying at an elite. If he even takes 50% of that dedication, it would be something to see. Of course, he could also just say, "fuck you, I'm going to win everything with Dadbod 2.0"

 

Nothing Nico Harrison has said since this came out has put to bed completely, the idea that this is just sabotage.

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1 hour ago, naija said:

True or false, all the rumors about his conditioning being the issue has to burn Luka, and hopefully lights a fire under him to get into the best shape possible. Joke all you want about PEDs, but don't know that he will have a better teammate than LeBron if he truly cares about getting to and staying at an elite. If he even takes 50% of that dedication, it would be something to see. Of course, he could also just say, "fuck you, I'm going to win everything with Dadbod 2.0"

 

Nothing Nico Harrison has said since this came out has put to bed completely, the idea that this is just sabotage.

What exactly could he say that would convince you?

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4 hours ago, TexasGary said:

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Hmm......

out of shape bastard -- only averaged 41 minutes a game in the 22 game finals run last year...

in 50 playoff games he has 39 minutes with a stat line of 30.9/9.4/8.0

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1 hour ago, Fastbreak said:

out of shape bastard -- only averaged 41 minutes a game in the 22 game finals run last year...

in 50 playoff games he has 39 minutes with a stat line of 30.9/9.4/8.0

What a slacker. 

Tom Thibodeau would have played him 48 minutes a night in the playoffs. 
 

I don’t have any issue with his build other than staying healthy. If you can be like Jokic and look like someone on the court at a 24HRFitness, but still produce at the level of a Hall of Famer, then who cares. Just get out there and do your thing. This is entirely different from Zion who shows zero ability to stay in shape (Which his body day is telling him he needs to weigh less to stay on the court) or be on the court. 
 

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8 hours ago, d2o said:

What exactly could he say that would convince you?

Are you being contrary or do you actually believe this simple incompetence 

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15 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Dumont and family demanded Harrison sell Luka as the beginning of a small set of dominos for a long game of moving the Mavericks to LV in several years?  Sure.  Is it the most likely story?  Probably not, but we live in a conspiracy theory world, so possibly. 

How are the stated objective of the ownership group (a Casino complex in DFW) or their heavily implied plan B (a new casino complex and NBA team in Las Vegas) a conspiracy theory? Those things aren’t conspiratorial. 
The only question is whether this trade happened explicitly because of, or as part of indirect service to, those objectives. 
it fits either way. There will be a Casino AND  a new stadium in DFW or  the Mavs are gone. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

How are the stated objective of the ownership group (a Casino complex in DFW) or their heavily implied plan B (a new casino complex and NBA team in Las Vegas) a conspiracy theory? Those things aren’t conspiratorial. 
The only question is whether this trade happened explicitly because of, or as part of indirect service to, those objectives. 

I like to make fun of a good conspiracy theory but this is Miriam Adelson and her family’s stated goal is to bring legalized gambling to Texas. And they have too many ties to Vegas for this to just be a coincidence if the Texas GOP continues to stonewall legalized gambling 

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4 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Are you being contrary or do you actually believe this simple incompetence 

No, I just dont think there is anything he could say that would placate the fanbase.   The deal is done.

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18 hours ago, Js1 said:

https://africa.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43676830/how-stunning-luka-doncic-anthony-davis-trade-came-together-los-angeles-lakers-dallas-mavericks

If Doncic wasn't going to change his ways, the Mavericks figured they would prod him by making changes around him. In August 2023, the team fired former director of player health and performance Casey Smith, who has since been hired by Jalen Brunson's New York Knicks. After last season, the Mavs fired strength coach Jeremy Holsopple and manual therapist Casey Spangler. All three had been with the team since before Doncic was drafted and had strong relationships with him.

"They get rid of everybody I like," Doncic griped in recent months, one source said.

The plan backfired.

No person is bigger than the program. 

-Texas Tech to Mike Leach.  They sure showed him.

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11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I like to make fun of a good conspiracy theory but this is Miriam Adelson and her family’s stated goal is to bring legalized gambling to Texas. And they have too many ties to Vegas for this to just be a coincidence if the Texas GOP continues to stonewall legalized gambling 

I don't know what it takes to move a franchise in the NBA.  I know latching on to a theory straight from the script of Major League doesn't sound legit.

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1 minute ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't know what it takes to move a franchise in the NBA.  I know latching on to a theory straight from the script of Major League doesn't sound legit.

Especially when it would be infinitely more lucrative for the league to add a new franchise in Vegas than to move one there.   

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Just now, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't know what it takes to move a franchise in the NBA.  I know latching on to a theory straight from the script of Major League doesn't sound legit.

Just remember that they moved Charlotte to NO and then Charlotte immediately got a new franchise under expansion 2 years later. 

Not far fetched that Vegas gets an established team due to ownership ties to Vegas and if the viewership and attendance craters after this fiasco and Dallas just gets one of the 2 new expansion teams 

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Just now, Js1 said:

Just remember that they moved Charlotte to NO and then Charlotte immediately got a new franchise under expansion 2 years later. 

Not far fetched that Vegas gets an established team due to ownership ties to Vegas and if the viewership and attendance craters after this fiasco and Dallas just gets one of the 2 new expansion teams 

Dallas is a way bigger market than CHA (especially when that move happened) and the Mavs are a WAY bigger brand than the Hornets ever were with far more history.

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I’m just saying, it’s not far fetched. The ownership family wants to force Texas’ hand in legalizing gambling. 

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Just now, UncleSonny said:

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Tell that to half of my middle school class in the 90s

LOL, they chose the perfect colors for the 90s.   Everyone had a Hornets Starter back then 

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4 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

The problem here is that the conspiracy theories make more sense than the trade itself. 

This really is a good point. I just generally lean toward incompetence as an explanatory factor over something more complex or sinister. Stupidity explains a lot. 

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