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4 hours ago, hpslugga said:

You’re talking about the legal concept of an opinion, which is different than the layman’s concept of an opinion, which is, to repeat, a belief that cannot be proven true or false.

And that distinction needs to be made because people of the general MAGA ilk hide behind that. You see this whenever they say “it’s a matter of opinion! You can’t attack me for having an opinion!”

There’s a kernel of truth to that. I can’t tell you that you’re wrong for saying blue is the best color or steak is better than shrimp. I can’t justifiably attack you for saying that. It’s a matter of belief that cannot be proven true or false.

The trump issue, on the other hand, does not fall into that category. The maga crowd claims that it is, and they do so to specifically to hide behind it so as to not face up to the reality that they, with the burden totally on them to demonstrate why trump is a good president, cannot for the life of them live up to that burden. So they shift that burden by saying it’s a “matter of opinion.” It’s a total bullshit cop out.

Or to put it another way, think of all of the MAGA morons you know or know of and consider this: hardly any of them (if any) has the balls to debate these issues against anyone even of a mediocre intellect (forget elite) in public.

That tells you everything you need to know. When I do politics, I have only one standard: can I or can’t I defend what I’m saying in public?

If I can’t defend what I’m saying in public, then what the fuck am I even doing? And when honest people get to that precise point, it’s the point where they make the decision to rebuke their previously held position.

When dishonest people get to the point where they realize they can’t defend their position in public, they go into fucking hiding and at best engage in circle jerks. Again, see Texan, Daily. That’s exactly what that fuckin place is. It’s a place where people who routinely got their asses handed to them as far back as the first Trump term and do not have the honesty/balls to admit they were dead fucking wrong, but they do have the honesty to admit they cannot defend their positions in public. So they fuck off to DT (or wherever it is they go) and project when they accuse CR of being an “echo chamber.” In other words, they believe what they believe because they want to believe it, and any contradiction to those beliefs are a big huge conspiracy against them.

Like I said, objectively and subjectively horrible opinions, insupportable with fact.  But not facts.

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IMO - many people that I know who say Trump is a good/great president, are saying it as a comparative statement. In their minds and words, he is better than Obama, than Hilary would have been, and than Sleepy Joe. 
Let's face it, this past election was the worst choices - for varying, and different reasons - that I can remember. But then again I have only been following these things since the 1976 election. And I did some work for the Udall campaign (and you know why....there were more and better looking girls in his office). 

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38 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

IMO - many people that I know who say Trump is a good/great president, are saying it as a comparative statement. In their minds and words, he is better than Obama, than Hilary would have been, and than Sleepy Joe. 
Let's face it, this past election was the worst choices - for varying, and different reasons - that I can remember. But then again I have only been following these things since the 1976 election. And I did some work for the Udall campaign (and you know why....there were more and better looking girls in his office). 

They sound like partisans. I wouldn't expect them to say anything else.

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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

IMO - many people that I know who say Trump is a good/great president, are saying it as a comparative statement. In their minds and words, he is better than Obama, than Hilary would have been, and than Sleepy Joe. 
Let's face it, this past election was the worst choices - for varying, and different reasons - that I can remember. But then again I have only been following these things since the 1976 election. And I did some work for the Udall campaign (and you know why....there were more and better looking girls in his office). 

You need a better social circle then. He is destroying America quicker than Andrew Jackson. 

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23 hours ago, KeysPhoneWallet said:


The world where if someone says something that another group doesn’t like, even if posted under an anonymous account and regardless on what the intent was behind it, then the mob shows up and kicks them to the dregs of society. Or the next step in that sequence, sends them to a political prison. Go live under the ccp if you want to be so censored, but I think it sounds awful.

Well I don't want that. But then I don't really want these weird guys accountable to nobody I elected having tons of power in the country. I think there is a middle ground between political prison and vast unaccountable political power.

But remember Vivek Ramaswamy was supposed to be the co-head of this operation but he got booted because he said something people didn't like. Seems like he was censored.

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On 2/7/2025 at 6:34 PM, KeysPhoneWallet said:

Do people not want corruption and waste to be eliminated?

Of course. I just question sending a man who gets a ton of government contracts, so not exactly a neutral person, who primary got this job by contributing money to a politician as a non-corrupt way to do that. It sure appears like this is a corrupt quid-pro-quo. You give a Presidential Candidate money and he gives you tons of power to run the country. A government that Elon himself profits a significantly amount from. You think he is going to challenge any corruption and waste that benefits him? Or that he can properly spot what is corruption and wasteful?

But ultimately until people like you start having a problem with anything he has done nothing will happen. So I hope at some point you start to realize how dangerous this is.

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4 hours ago, elfenix said:

tired often debunked bullshit isn't diversity.

 

and if you wanted someone to address the debt you should probably stop voting for republicans.

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I will never forgive the Republicans for their actions from 2001-2004 in blowing up the budget. The fact they did it again in 2017 just shows their commitment to it.

And even if by some miracle Elon Musk and his goons are honest actors who actually do end up saving the government a ton of money while making sure all their mandates are completed efficiently...well...it is just going to be thrown away in another tax cut. The Budget will continue to be in a deficit and the national debt will continue to climb.

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16 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well I don't want that. But then I don't really want these weird guys accountable to nobody I elected having tons of power in the country. I think there is a middle ground between political prison and vast unaccountable political power.

But remember Vivek Ramaswamy was supposed to be the co-head of this operation but he got booted because he said something people didn't like. Seems like he was censored.

Nobody is going to jail over their opinions, yet.  And if that happens it sure as fuck isn't going to be the CR librul cabal that does it, but rather the DT motherfuckers and the assclowns they support.

We don't censor shit.  We stridently take down counterfactual takes and shitty opinions.  Just exactly as the First Amendment was intended.

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Looks like someone is fucking around with this cybertruck ... obviously driven by a Musk DOGE fascist fanboy.

 

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2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Well I don't want that. But then I don't really want these weird guys accountable to nobody I elected having tons of power in the country. I think there is a middle ground between political prison and vast unaccountable political power.

But remember Vivek Ramaswamy was supposed to be the co-head of this operation but he got booted because he brown said something people didn't like. Seems like he was censored.

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This reporter fucks

I’ve seen this same post - but I’ve yet to see evidence that this exchange actually happened. I’d love to see video if it exists.
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13 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

IMO - many people that I know who say Trump is a good/great president, are saying it as a comparative statement. In their minds and words, he is better than Obama, than Hilary would have been, and than Sleepy Joe. 
Let's face it, this past election was the worst choices - for varying, and different reasons - that I can remember. But then again I have only been following these things since the 1976 election. And I did some work for the Udall campaign (and you know why....there were more and better looking girls in his office). 

 

The problem with that view, and I know plenty of people who espouse it, is it's empirically incorrect. Under Obama, the government and society functioned as it was supposed to, even if you didn't agree with it. Under Trump the government cannot even provide basic services correctly.

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9 hours ago, C-Man said:


So apparently the reporter is Chad Pergram from Fox News.

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Chad Pergram is THE essential congressional beat reporter. One of the best people to follow Twitter. 

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Chad Pergram is THE essential congressional beat reporter. One of the best people to follow Twitter. 

Is he on other social media sites because I no longer Twitter post 11/5

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11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Congratulations on your retreat from the public square I guess. 

A public square that degrades humanity with features that actively discourages dialog and encourages tribalism and culty behavior? Indeed Congrats. Fuck that horrible platform and all its imitators. It has done remarkable damage to humanity for its entire existence.

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16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Congratulations on your retreat from the public square I guess. 

You keep saying this as though Twitter is a public square. That's delightfully naïve.

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37 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

A public square that degrades humanity with features that actively discourages dialog and encourages tribalism and culty behavior? Indeed Congrats. Fuck that horrible platform and all its imitators. It has done remarkable damage to humanity for its entire existence.

So we should run away from discourse we find offensive or dangerous. Got it.

31 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

You keep saying this as though Twitter is a public square. That's delightfully naïve.

Sure, I’m naive for staying in occupied territory. Liberals and progressives who have retreated from Twitter are smart, politically savvy and above all, not thin-skinned or pussies. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

Sure, I’m naive for staying in occupied territory. Liberals and progressives who have retreated from Twitter are smart, politically savvy and above all, not thin-skinned or pussies. 

Giving that site clicks should be the last thing any of us do. Causing musk economic pain should be the goal for everyone. Bury anything he is associated with.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So we should run away from discourse we find offensive or dangerous. Got it.

Sure, I’m naive for staying in occupied territory. Liberals and progressives who have retreated from Twitter are smart, politically savvy and above all, not thin-skinned or pussies. 

Or they're choosing not to give business to Leon.

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On 2/7/2025 at 7:49 PM, KeysPhoneWallet said:


Haven’t seen anything too troubling yet. Reducing the govt is good. Bringing the deficit down and operating with some fiscal responsibility is good. Spending tax money effectively is good. Rooting out corruption and deception is good.

Oh I dunno, letting the world’s richest man dismantle agencies he’s got trouble with, closing agencies that by law are created and funded by congress, violating court orders, taking EO positions that are contrary to SCOTUS decisions, with malice aforethought removing security details from former officials who openly criticized Trump and are under active assassination threats, whom even if your don’t give a fuck meter is broken are so steeped in US secrets they are better torture targets than assassination targets, CIA sending rosters over email, hijacking science funding that benefits all of Americans, shutting down health and safety websites, suing media companies as the sitting president causing a chilling effect on the free press, actively pursing the grift with his constituents while in office, no blind trust here. That’s 3 weeks in, he hasn’t even gotten started. 
 

cutting spending, eliminating waste, rooting out corruption, fine, that’s not what he’s doing. He’s trampling our form of government - willing and intentional violation of the law and the constitution - and no one on your side gives a fuck because this is a team sport for you. 

You earlier said alternate views should be welcome. They are, your views are just idiotic and blind to the reality of what’s going on here. 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Giving that site clicks should be the last thing any of us do. Causing musk economic pain should be the goal for everyone. Bury anything he is associated with.

 

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Or they're choosing not to give business to Leon.

Y'all don't understand the game here. Twitter is not a business or a profit seeking enterprise. Money is abundant and highly concentrated. Attention is scarce and highly fragmented. Twitter is the single most important center of the attention economy.
Whatever trivial economic loss is incurred when politically active or news aware progressive and liberal  people abandon it is absolutely worth it compared to the enormous value of the power of having all that attention and undisrupted feedback, not to mention unwanted scrutiny. 

Do you guys not understand that liberals/progressives leaving Twitter is what they want? Don't you understand they want it that way? Can you not tell?

If they wind up short money and long power, that's a good trade for them.

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Leon.

PS, this is aggy, like "t.u."  

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Oh I dunno, letting the world’s richest man dismantle agencies he’s got trouble with, closing agencies that by law are created and funded by congress, violating court orders, taking EO positions that are contrary to SCOTUS decisions, with malice aforethought removing security details from former officials who openly criticized Trump and are under active assassination threats, whom even if your don’t give a fuck meter is broken are so steeped in US secrets they are better torture targets than assassination targets, CIA sending rosters over email, hijacking science funding that benefits all of Americans, shutting down health and safety websites, suing media companies as the sitting president causing a chilling effect on the free press, actively pursing the grift with his constituents while in office, no blind trust here. That’s 3 weeks in, he hasn’t even gotten started. 
 

cutting spending, eliminating waste, rooting out corruption, fine, that’s not what he’s doing. He’s trampling our form of government and on one on your side gives a fuck because this is a team sport for you. 

You earlier said alternate views should be welcome. They are, your views are just idiotic and blind to the reality of what’s going on here. 

But troph, Elmo is not "auditing" agencies, it's 19-25 year-olds he appointed to do it.  Wait  . . . .

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7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

Y'all don't understand the game here. Twitter is not a business or a profit seeking enterprise. Money is abundant and highly concentrated. Attention is scarce and highly fragmented. Twitter is the single most important center of the attention economy.
Whatever trivial economic loss is incurred when politically active or news aware people abandon it is absolutely worth it compared to the enormous value of the power of having all that attention and undisrupted feedback, not to mention unwanted scrutiny. 

Do you guys not understand that liberals/progressives leaving Twitter is what they want? Don't you understand they want it that way? Can you not tell?

If they wind up short money and long power, that's a good trade for them.

PS, this is aggy, like "t.u." 

Twitter has like 350 millionish users worldwide (and that is probably generous considering bots).  There are what? 8 billion people in the world?  Fucking 95% of the world has no idea what is going on with Twitter.  Quit overinflating its importance.  

What you are arguing for is akin to the Founding Fathers spending all their time making all arguments in the middle of Trafalgar Square or some shit like that.

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4 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Twitter has like 350 millionish users worldwide (and that is probably generous considering bots).  There are what? 8 billion people in the world?  Fucking 95% of the world has no idea what is going on with Twitter.  Quit overinflating its importance.  

What you are arguing for is akin to the Founding Fathers spending all their time making all arguments in the middle of Trafalgar Square or some shit like that.

This is actually a great example of what I'm talking about - First, about 100mm of those users are in the US, but even so - the attention is fragmented, and in a fragmented economy, the value of holding strategic channels increases. 

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Twitter has like 350 millionish users worldwide (and that is probably generous considering bots).  There are what? 8 billion people in the world?  Fucking 95% of the world has no idea what is going on with Twitter.  Quit overinflating its importance.  

What you are arguing for is akin to the Founding Fathers spending all their time making all arguments in the middle of Trafalgar Square or some shit like that.

It is not how many, it is who that matters.

No one in the US cares what illiterate mongolians think. The impoverished masses making up most of that 8B are not decision makers. Shit most don't know what twitter is if they even have a phone.

Twitter is western oriented. TikTok was, now  we love it.

Twitter allows for targeted messaging.

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