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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is actually a great example of what I'm talking about - the attention is fragmented, and in a fragmented economy, the value of holding strategic channels increases.

Waste of time, the shit that needs to be done ain't getting done in a place like Twitter.  But keep pounding your head against the wall I guess.  The determination is admirable, if not foolhardy.  

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Waste of time, the shit that needs to be done ain't getting done in a place like Twitter.  But keep pounding your head against the wall I guess.  The determination is admirable, if not foolhardy.  

Look, I'm saying saying rando progressives or liberals need to be out arguing their case on twitter. But it's simply foolhardy and counterproductive to cut off their own access. 

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On 2/7/2025 at 7:49 PM, KeysPhoneWallet said:

 Reducing the govt is good. Bringing the deficit down and operating with some fiscal responsibility is good. Spending tax money effectively is good. Rooting out corruption and deception is good.

I doubt anybody here argues this point but within the framework of our Constitution and laws. We keep seeing the right wing using these arguments like yours quoted above, without context and it is plain disengenious, intentionally. The right has complained about "Soros" and the "deep state" for a decade now, yet we have never seen Soros or any other billionaire with this level of unfettered access ever.

We have a framework for finding fraud through deep analysis with context and established audit frameworks. Use it instead and actually  prosecute instead of underfunding and giving violators a pass as Republicans typically do (see US government fraudster Rick Scott). If they want to sunset whole agencies, pass the legislation. Installing a severe conflict of interest racist and his merry band of incels isn't a democratic process. It's an autocratic oligarchy doing what it pleases with no accountability or transparency (no screenshots without context or sourcing on Twitter do not count).

When Putin took over Russia, he had his favored oligarchs by his side with the agreement they would never criticize him. Trump clearly has his favored bunch of billionaires in the same vain. Of course, we are going to sound the alarms when he uses a favored billionaire to destroy democratic infrastructure just like Putin. We have seen this movie before ....installing favored, State media in the White House...seen it...attack media that criticizes with lawsuits and legal prosecution..seen.it...trying to centralize democratic power into an autocracy backed by oligarchs..seen it....

Hell, we even already have the attempt to remove the two term limit, albeit a weak attempt. Putin had to wait almost 20 years to get that far and he can now be President until 2036, when he will be 84, and have served 32 years.

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35 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Look, I'm saying saying rando progressives or liberals need to be out arguing their case on twitter. But it's simply foolhardy and counterproductive to cut off their own access. 

I get your battleground but it is certainly exhausting. Now it is bleeding into Facebook and LinkedIn. I don't know how they have the time. Of course, there are bots and it all makes the idiot army look much larger than in reality. We need to fight dirty with the bots and the flooding of outlets to alleviate that fatigue. Keep pushing forward.

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34 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Look, I'm saying saying rando progressives or liberals need to be out arguing their case on twitter. But it's simply foolhardy and counterproductive to cut off their own access. 

*should read “I’m not saying rando progressives…”

7 minutes ago, pacman said:

I get your battleground but it is certainly exhausting and now it is bleeding into Facebook and LinkedIn. It makes the idiot army look much larger than in reality. We need to fight dirty with the bots and the flooding of outlets to alleviate that fatigue.

 

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Posted
Just now, Foosters said:

Is Bozo going to do this Twitter thing on every thread in which the platform is mentioned?

Nope, only when people beat their chest about not being on Twitter. 
 

Deleting your Twitter account to hurt Elon Musk is like voting for Jill Stein to free Palestine. 

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53 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Is Bozo going to do this Twitter thing on every thread in which the platform is mentioned?

It's the new deconstructed burger.

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at this moment this is what dictator has pinned:

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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
To be clear, what the @DOGE
 team and @USTreasury
 have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:

- Require that all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits. This is frequently left blank, making audits almost impossible.

- All payments must also include a rationale for the payment in the comment field, which is currently left blank. Importantly, we are not yet applying ANY judgment to this rationale, but simply requiring that SOME attempt be made to explain the payment more than NOTHING!

- The DO-NOT-PAY list of entities known to be fraudulent or people who are dead or are probable fronts for terrorist organizations or do not match Congressional appropriations must actually be implemented and not ignored. Also, it can currently take up to a year to get on this list, which is far too long. This list should be updated at least weekly, if not daily.

The above super obvious and necessary changes are being implemented by existing, long-time career government employees, not anyone from @DOGE
. It is ridiculous that these changes didn’t exist already!

Yesterday, I was told that there are currently over $100B/year of entitlements payments to individuals with no SSN or even a temporary ID number. If accurate, this is extremely suspicious.

When I asked if anyone at Treasury had a rough guess for what percentage of that number is unequivocal and obvious fraud, the consensus in the room was about half, so $50B/year or $1B/week!!

This is utterly insane and must be addressed immediately.
1:51 PM · Feb 8, 2025
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Well which is it young feller?  You want I should believe it's all bad bookkeeping making audits almost impossible or believe there is $50B of fraud.  I mean to say if'n I believe it's all untrackable I can't rightly believe it's all fraud and if'n I believe it's all fraud then it's more trackable than you say.  You see....

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10 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Well which is it young feller?  You want I should believe it's all bad bookkeeping making audits almost impossible or believe there is $50B of fraud.  I mean to say if'n I believe it's all untrackable I can't rightly believe it's all fraud and if'n I believe it's all fraud then it's more trackable than you say.  You see....

Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

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Posted
4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So we should run away from discourse we find offensive or dangerous. Got it.

Sure, I’m naive for staying in occupied territory. Liberals and progressives who have retreated from Twitter are smart, politically savvy and above all, not thin-skinned or pussies. 
 

 

Or, hear me out, maybe I don’t wish to support the platform. 

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17 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

Anybody got the timeline on Doge hittin' DoD?

and the FDIC?

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Posted
12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Seems to me that the strategy is setting up for a massive FAFO from SCOTUS. 

Well, inevitable in this Trump-provoked constitutional crisis.  That's what this is.

TROs are not ordinarily appealable, but only last two weeks and tend to be replaced by a preliminary injunction (or denial of same), which is appealable.

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4 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

at this moment this is what dictator has pinned:

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Conversation
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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
To be clear, what the @DOGE
 team and @USTreasury
 have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:

- Require that all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits. This is frequently left blank, making audits almost impossible.

- All payments must also include a rationale for the payment in the comment field, which is currently left blank. Importantly, we are not yet applying ANY judgment to this rationale, but simply requiring that SOME attempt be made to explain the payment more than NOTHING!

- The DO-NOT-PAY list of entities known to be fraudulent or people who are dead or are probable fronts for terrorist organizations or do not match Congressional appropriations must actually be implemented and not ignored. Also, it can currently take up to a year to get on this list, which is far too long. This list should be updated at least weekly, if not daily.

The above super obvious and necessary changes are being implemented by existing, long-time career government employees, not anyone from @DOGE
. It is ridiculous that these changes didn’t exist already!

Yesterday, I was told that there are currently over $100B/year of entitlements payments to individuals with no SSN or even a temporary ID number. If accurate, this is extremely suspicious.

When I asked if anyone at Treasury had a rough guess for what percentage of that number is unequivocal and obvious fraud, the consensus in the room was about half, so $50B/year or $1B/week!!

This is utterly insane and must be addressed immediately.
1:51 PM · Feb 8, 2025
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None of that should be Treasury's, or DOGE's responsibility.  They don't approve the checks, they just cut them, so to speak.

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This is a pretty stupid one. I have no doubt that there is shit that needs a good audit at the SSA, but this is a pretty stupid argument at face value. 

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5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

at this moment this is what dictator has pinned:

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Post
Conversation
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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
To be clear, what the @DOGE
 team and @USTreasury
 have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:

- Require that all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits. This is frequently left blank, making audits almost impossible.

- All payments must also include a rationale for the payment in the comment field, which is currently left blank. Importantly, we are not yet applying ANY judgment to this rationale, but simply requiring that SOME attempt be made to explain the payment more than NOTHING!

- The DO-NOT-PAY list of entities known to be fraudulent or people who are dead or are probable fronts for terrorist organizations or do not match Congressional appropriations must actually be implemented and not ignored. Also, it can currently take up to a year to get on this list, which is far too long. This list should be updated at least weekly, if not daily.

The above super obvious and necessary changes are being implemented by existing, long-time career government employees, not anyone from @DOGE
. It is ridiculous that these changes didn’t exist already!

Yesterday, I was told that there are currently over $100B/year of entitlements payments to individuals with no SSN or even a temporary ID number. If accurate, this is extremely suspicious.

When I asked if anyone at Treasury had a rough guess for what percentage of that number is unequivocal and obvious fraud, the consensus in the room was about half, so $50B/year or $1B/week!!

This is utterly insane and must be addressed immediately.
1:51 PM · Feb 8, 2025
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So, Musk read the recent GAO reports and posts that as the result of his DOGE "work"?

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This is a pretty stupid one. I have no doubt that there is shit that needs a good audit at the SSA, but this is a pretty stupid argument at face value. 

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The "social security database" couldn't be more vague as the administration of SSNs is compromised of multiple systems and processes to detect fraud and misuse.

If he is talking about the numident file, that is not de-duplicated because I do believe it tracks the historical changes for each unique SSN issued including name changes, death, etc.

I thought you were against posting dumb shit from Twitter?

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Just now, pacman said:

The "social security database" couldn't be more vague as the administration of SSNs is compromised of multiple systems and processes to detect fraud and misuse.

If he is talking about the numident file, that is not de-duplicated because I do believe it tracks the historical changes for each unique SSN issued including name changes, death, etc.

Of course you are correct. 

1 minute ago, pacman said:

I thought you were against posting dumb shit from Twitter?

I am not sure that you have really grasped my consistent position wrt social media embeds and their proliferation on this board over the last 20 years, and how that post fits into that context. 

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See this is good twitter shit. 
 
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Or, hear me out, maybe I don’t wish to support the platform. 


It's funny because it's fucking over millions of people's lives...
Posted
2 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

It's funny because it's fucking over millions of people's lives...

 

 

Yes, the shit that USAID has funded over the years since its inception has fucked over countless lives. They were running drugs with the CIA in Laos within years of their inception. Training South American police in torture techniques, funding collection of corona virus in Yunnan, spreading social contagion programming...It's a long list. And yes, they do some good things as well. Those good things can be continued after we root out the rot.  

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Just wait till DOGE gets done with CMS and DoD. They will start pissing off the old school GOP and maybe you guys can start to appreciate the scope of the problem. 

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Yes, the shit that USAID has funded over the years since its inception has fucked over countless lives. They were running drugs with the CIA in Laos within years of their inception. Training South American police in torture techniques, funding collection of corona virus in Yunnan, spreading social contagion programming...It's a long list. And yes, they do some good things as well. Those good things can be continued after we root out the rot.  
"We"? Aren't you a little old to be part of Elon's crew?
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Posted
9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Just wait till DOGE gets done with CMS and DoD. They will start pissing off the old school GOP and maybe you guys can start to appreciate the scope of the problem. 

Just wait!

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Posted
Just now, DDD Dad said:

Just wait!

The fun part is, we get to see what happens. Some prognostications here will be land, some won't. And maybe a few charities get extra donations along the way. 

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The fun part is, we get to see what happens. Some prognostications here will be land, some won't. And maybe a few charities get extra donations along the way. 
Funny how Elon Gault's libertarian mission to end all fraud never extends to the millions (billions?) he has gotten from the government.
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Why don’t the free market folk who are also so damned concerned with govt spending and handouts look into dialing back the 700bn+ in oil/gas subsidies

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Yes, the shit that USAID has funded over the years since its inception has fucked over countless lives. They were running drugs with the CIA in Laos within years of their inception. Training South American police in torture techniques, funding collection of corona virus in Yunnan, spreading social contagion programming...It's a long list. And yes, they do some good things as well. Those good things can be continued after we root out the rot.  

Did Rogan or Fox tell you this?
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Posted
26 minutes ago, bluto said:

Why don’t the free market folk who are also so damned concerned with govt spending and handouts look into dialing back the 700bn+ in oil/gas subsidies

Somehow I don't think Musk is going to find any fraud, problems, nada with all the government cheese SpaceX and Tesla get. 

We're replacing our normal, somewhat inefficient and corrupt government with a fascist, oligarch piggy bank, hyper inefficient and outright total corrupt government.  Any federal workers that get fired will be replaced with Trump loyalists.  Any "fraud" (see: legitimately good government spending that doesn't go to billionaires) that is found and disposed of will be more than replaced by Trump and Elon throwing the money spigot wide open for themselves and their billionaire cronies.  With no oversight, with no Consumer Protection Bureau, with no IRS/SEC/FBI/CIA looking over their shoulders, etc.

Gonna be a wild fucking ride.  Best buckle up, buckaroos. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:


Did Rogan or Fox tell you this?

Which one would you like me unpack first? We could also do various other latin american, caribbean, eastern european, african or asian exercises.  Just let me know where you want to start. Maybe just pick a continent. 

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I’m old enough to remember a favorite website of mine going through a hostile takeover. Rather than leaving, a bunch of users dug their feet in, and literally shitposted until it lost all value. It was celebrated. They didn’t run until the job was completed.

Twitter is no different. You can take it down from the inside. But unfortunately now, some users get timeouts for shitposting, not quite the same as the last time, but goddamn it still feels very unshaggy.

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8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Rather than leaving, a bunch of users dug their feet in, and literally shitposted until it lost all value. It was celebrated.

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After I shitposted to my hearts content there, I turned over my username and password to another poster (I can't remember which) that dutify took the standard for a few of us and shitposted for a few more weeks until all that was left was badmofo or whatever and a cesspool. 

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Which one would you like me unpack first? We could also do various other latin american, caribbean, eastern european, african or asian exercises.  Just let me know where you want to start. Maybe just pick a continent. 

I challenge you to produce one of your posts (or anyones) about the evil of USAID before the billionaire and his incel team went on a rampage trying to protect us from "waste".

You have been played as usual. You are a simp at the urinal of a couple limp dicked traitors waiting to guzzle thier ketomine flavored piss.
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6 hours ago, bluto said:

Why don’t the free market folk who are also so damned concerned with govt spending and handouts look into dialing back the 700bn+ in oil/gas subsidies

The same reason that they talk about wanting small government and individual liberties, but they also want abortion, gay marriage, marijuana, online poker, and lots of other things to be illegal.

They are liars.

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Lot of hungry people not going to be fed.  
 



Vatican’s Caritas outraged at ’reckless’ USAID cuts, says millions will die, others left in poverty.

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican’s charity voiced outrage Monday at what it called the “reckless” and “unhuman” U.S. plans to gut USAID, with Pope Francis’ point-man on development aid insisting that the Trump administration remember Christian principles about caring for others as it begins governing.



Anastasis feverisly masturbates to the upcoming suffering and pain.
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3 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

 

 

 


Anastasis feverisly masturbates to the upcoming suffering and pain.

Yeah, probably he does. His dislike for USAID is interesting.

Back to assistance.

I noted earlier to watch the pivot in aid to be channeled through the church groups. Sounds good on paper I guess, until you see how they work in the field. CARITAS, World Vision, etc. run like corporations including nice R&R, salaries (WV was amazing to consult for) and such.

I was in line for a field gig with one of them. During the interview I was asked if I was married. I said no, divorced. "Did I have a GF." Yes I said. "Did we fornicate," the recruiter asked. Yes I said.

Silence. "Oh, we will have to look into your background to make sure you fit the moral requirements."

I laughed, ended up consulting for them instead. All I will say is it was borderline lawyer pay. I lasted 4 months before being told I did not fit. Rationale? we had a deadline and I mentioned we were going to miss it if the entire US based team went on the retreat vs. finishing the project.

 

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7 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

I’m old enough to remember a favorite website of mine going through a hostile takeover. Rather than leaving, a bunch of users dug their feet in, and literally shitposted until it lost all value. It was celebrated. They didn’t run until the job was completed.

Twitter is no different. You can take it down from the inside. But unfortunately now, some users get timeouts for shitposting, not quite the same as the last time, but goddamn it still feels very unshaggy.

Can confirm:

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