2018 Houston Astros Season Thread

[DaysOff 7947]

Hanging around. Hanging around.

[Mez2 4023]

Can we release Joe Smith?

[Tommy Nobis 905]

Can we release Joe Smith?

Compare Joe Smiths stats to Devo’s and ignore ERA.... I bet you’d be surprised

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

Giving up homers to the other team is bad.  We should stop doing that.

[Gut Wagon 8065]

Lets tack on a few. 

[Mez2 4023]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Nobis said:

Compare Joe Smiths stats to Devo’s and ignore ERA.... I bet you’d be surprised

Over reactionary Mez checking in

[Gut Wagon 8065]

Never a clean 9th, it seems. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

i'm not watching anything but gamecast, but is there a reason giles isn't in the game?

[Mez2 4023]

3 sliders here, all off the plate

[Pods 7552]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

i'm not watching anything but gamecast, but is there a reason giles isn't in the game?

Not that they've said. No one is warming in the pen. 

[Mez2 4023]

rally sluts were back on

[Stros 153]

Fuck yeah!!! Big win tonight!!!

Gotta little scary at the end.


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[Tommy Nobis 905]

Rondon to closer

[Dr. Teeth 5844]

#38!!!

[Mez2 4023]

you hoes can't fade street military

#HTownPride

[Gut Wagon 8065]

Exhale......

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

Thanks for swinging at ball four, Mr. Cruz.

[Tommy Nobis 905]

i'm not watching anything but gamecast, but is there a reason giles isn't in the game?

Because he sucks? And to try someone else

[henrygandorf 29189]

all's well that ends well i suppose.

you look fine when you push the right buttons and the guys you put in seal the win.  but you look fucking incompetent as hell when your 3rd or 4th best reliever blows a clear save chance in the 9th at home when he's rested and has 1(?) blown save on the year.  these are the games where i'd like to see giles build some confidence.

[Dr. Teeth 5844]

Damn sluts!

Edited June 7, 2018 by Dr. Teeth

[Stros 153]

Because he sucks? And to try someone else

Yep


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[Smax 3800]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

all's well that ends well i suppose.

you look fine when you push the right buttons and the guys you put in seal the win.  but you look fucking incompetent as hell when your 3rd or 4th best reliever blows a clear save chance in the 9th at home when he's rested and has 1(?) blown save on the year.  these are the games where i'd like to see giles build some confidence. trade value

fify

[Tommy Nobis 905]

all's well that ends well i suppose.
you look fine when you push the right buttons and the guys you put in seal the win.  but you look fucking incompetent as hell when your 3rd or 4th best reliever blows a clear save chance in the 9th at home when he's rested and has 1(?) blown save on the year.  these are the games where i'd like to see giles build some confidence.

Fuck building Giles confidence. He was fine last year in the regular season and shit the bed in the post season. Nothing will change with that mental midget.

[Tommy Nobis 905]

he's rested and has 1(?) blown save on the year.

 

And who gives a fuck about his 1 blown save, his numbers suck and he’s statistically one of th worst relievers on this team

[Dr. Teeth 5844]

And we won tonight. 

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

 

[UTexasFight 9432]

Good work getting through that May schedule and first week of June. Still sitting at .603 winning percentage (on pace for 98 wins over 162).

Time to go put the West on lockdown and figure out what pieces to add by July 31. Next time we play a team currently over .500? July 20 against the Angels...after the All-Star break. 36 games from now. (Good timing as I’m fearful of a not so short DL stint coming up for Correa).

[tx 3 putt 76926]

we need to wreck shop on this weaker schedule 

[ChickenSandwich 9834]

Beer. You cruel mistress 

Edited June 7, 2018 by ChickenSandwich

[TonyTexas 10510]

Split will work. 
Looking for two for Friday if anyone has extras. 

Will be plenty of good seats available in Arlington.

[closetojumping 62637]

I am starting to laugh when I hear talk of Carlos Correa being a $400million man. He’s made of glass and misses 40+ every year and, frankly, his offensive numbers are good, not really great. I’m sure he’ll go on the DL and miss the next month+ just as we face competition we should be destroying. Ridiculous. 

[huge 3793]

13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I am starting to laugh when I hear talk of Carlos Correa being a $400million man. He’s made of glass and misses 40+ every year and, frankly, his offensive numbers are good, not really great. I’m sure he’ll go on the DL and miss the next month+ just as we face competition we should be destroying. Ridiculous. 

To be fair his numbers when he actually played last year were excellent by any measure

But the injury deal is spot on.  Not that we have to worry about that any time soon ($400M contract)

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

26 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

frankly, his offensive numbers are good, not really great.

He's been arguably the best SS in the game since 2015, particularly if you focus only on his offensive numbers.

SS stats between 2015 and 2018:

#	Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	BB%	K%	ISO	BABIP	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	wRC+	BsR	Off	Def	WAR
12   Page size:    42 items in 2 pages
1	Francisco Lindor	Indians	475	2125	74	294	253	52	8.0 %	14.2 %	.190	.312	.293	.352	.484	.355	121	3.9	57.6	54.7	18.8
2	Carlos Correa	Astros	421	1829	76	246	287	31	10.8 %	20.4 %	.209	.325	.285	.363	.493	.364	133	6.7	80.2	10.1	15.5
3	Corey Seager	Dodgers	355	1528	54	220	179	9	9.6 %	19.6 %	.192	.352	.302	.372	.494	.369	133	6.5	69.6	28.3	14.9
4	Xander Bogaerts	Red Sox	506	2203	47	318	265	39	7.2 %	17.3 %	.139	.344	.296	.351	.434	.340	110	18.9	45.0	23.7	14.7
5	Andrelton Simmons	- - -	488	1957	26	217	191	39	7.1 %	8.3 %	.106	.296	.281	.335	.387	.314	98	2.0	-2.4	73.1	13.9
6	Brandon Crawford	Giants	502	1988	54	216	272	17	7.7 %	19.9 %	.170	.313	.269	.329	.439	.326	106	0.7	13.7	55.5	13.7
7	Didi Gregorius	Yankees	499	1986	65	237	249	23	5.1 %	13.7 %	.163	.285	.272	.314	.435	.320	99	12.0	10.0	33.7	11.3
8	Jean Segura	- - -	478	2107	42	284	198	93	4.6 %	15.0 %	.133	.337	.299	.338	.432	.332	106	9.5	25.8	8.5	10.5
9	Elvis Andrus	Rangers	479	1979	37	251	224	74	7.0 %	12.7 %	.139	.313	.287	.338	.425	.329	101	10.9	14.2	10.5	9.3
10	Asdrubal Cabrera	- - -	477	1903	62	227	213	14	7.3 %	17.7 %	.177	.309	.277	.333	.453	.336	113	-11.8	18.8	6.2	8.9

 

 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Seasick Sailor

[Mez2 4023]

if this injury is the root cause of his offensive struggles this year, then i'd rather he go and get fixed and better since we'll need him down the road and not neccessarily right now. that said, he does seem to have a lot more injuries compared to other players - it's non Bob Sanders-esque, but he's not as durable as someone like Altuve. On the bright side, this probably means more Marwin (meh) but can get behind Bregs to SS and a Davis/Yuli corner infield combo. 

[Ldogg53 514]

10 hours ago, Mez2 said:

rally sluts were back on

Damnit and no one captured this for those of us who couldn't watch last night?

[Fozzz 152]

Correa hate is not something I expected to see when logging on this morning...

[UTexasFight 9432]

Correa hate is not something I expected to see when logging on this morning...

Surly gon surly

It’s almost funny each day seeing who is the “[insert name] is not our standard” target of the day.

[UTexasFight 9432]

if this injury is the root cause of his offensive struggles this year, then i'd rather he go and get fixed and better since we'll need him down the road and not neccessarily right now. that said, he does seem to have a lot more injuries compared to other players - it's non Bob Sanders-esque, but he's not as durable as someone like Altuve. On the bright side, this probably means more Marwin (meh) but can get behind Bregs to SS and a Davis/Yuli corner infield combo. 

All
Of
This

[Lat22 4012]

12 hours ago, Mez2 said:

Can we release Joe Smith?

That’s Mr. Allie LaForce!

[closetojumping 62637]

2 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

He's been arguably the best SS in the game since 2015, particularly if you focus only on his offensive numbers.

SS stats between 2015 and 2018:

#	Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	BB%	K%	ISO	BABIP	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	wRC+	BsR	Off	Def	WAR
12   Page size:    42 items in 2 pages
1	Francisco Lindor	Indians	475	2125	74	294	253	52	8.0 %	14.2 %	.190	.312	.293	.352	.484	.355	121	3.9	57.6	54.7	18.8
2	Carlos Correa	Astros	421	1829	76	246	287	31	10.8 %	20.4 %	.209	.325	.285	.363	.493	.364	133	6.7	80.2	10.1	15.5
3	Corey Seager	Dodgers	355	1528	54	220	179	9	9.6 %	19.6 %	.192	.352	.302	.372	.494	.369	133	6.5	69.6	28.3	14.9
4	Xander Bogaerts	Red Sox	506	2203	47	318	265	39	7.2 %	17.3 %	.139	.344	.296	.351	.434	.340	110	18.9	45.0	23.7	14.7
5	Andrelton Simmons	- - -	488	1957	26	217	191	39	7.1 %	8.3 %	.106	.296	.281	.335	.387	.314	98	2.0	-2.4	73.1	13.9
6	Brandon Crawford	Giants	502	1988	54	216	272	17	7.7 %	19.9 %	.170	.313	.269	.329	.439	.326	106	0.7	13.7	55.5	13.7
7	Didi Gregorius	Yankees	499	1986	65	237	249	23	5.1 %	13.7 %	.163	.285	.272	.314	.435	.320	99	12.0	10.0	33.7	11.3
8	Jean Segura	- - -	478	2107	42	284	198	93	4.6 %	15.0 %	.133	.337	.299	.338	.432	.332	106	9.5	25.8	8.5	10.5
9	Elvis Andrus	Rangers	479	1979	37	251	224	74	7.0 %	12.7 %	.139	.313	.287	.338	.425	.329	101	10.9	14.2	10.5	9.3
10	Asdrubal Cabrera	- - -	477	1903	62	227	213	14	7.3 %	17.7 %	.177	.309	.277	.333	.453	.336	113	-11.8	18.8	6.2	8.9

 

 

I get it, but the injury component cannot be ignored. Volume matters and the adding stats are relevant in the conversation. If you could have Lindor, Bogaerts, SImmons, or Correa for the next 3.5 seasons, how would you rank your desire? It's subjective, but I'd go Lindor, Simmons, Bogaerts, Correa in that order. Correa is going to continue to handle himself with kid gloves in order to reach the next contract, and the other guys seem fine as replacements with either elite skills or better durability.

Across the landscape of the game, I'm glad we have Correa as a core member and our shortstop, but I don't view him as a the unquestionably best shortstop in the game. Seager's injury and future health have me feeling the same way about him, hence me not ranking him as a top 4 guy I'd want at SS.

[Gut Wagon 8065]

I suspect any angst over CC's offensive production is mainly due to the feeling a guy who hit so well so early should continue to post even better numbers year after year. On paper, I'm not sure you can say he's a much better hitter than he was when called up at age 20. (Of course, we often see guys hit/pitch really well before the rest of MLB figures out how to deal with them.) Bottom line is that fans naturally are going to expect a young player to continue to get better, especially when surrounded by other good players in a good organization.

 

 

[Fozzz 152]

You're insane if you don't think the Angels and Red Sox would trade Simmons/Bogaerts for Correa straight up in a heartbeat (even ignoring differences in the number of years of team control for each player).  Correa has already provided more value than Bogaerts over his career even though he's "made of glass" and is two years younger. 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Fozzz

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

23 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Correa has already provided more value than Bogaerts over his career even though he's "made of glass" and is two years younger. 

I know he missed about 6 weeks last year with the thumb ligament injury and about a week or so after he took a 95 mph fastball to the hand. But I don't recall him missing significant time due to injury other than that. Am I forgetting something? I remember he had shoulder soreness in September '16, but I don't recall him missing significant time. He has the fewest games played of anyone but Seager on the list I posted above, but he didn't play until June '15 and missed those 6-8 weeks last season. Guess I'm either forgetting some injuries or just not seeing the "made of glass" argument. He certainly hasn't missed 40+ every year due to injury. 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Seasick Sailor

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

Was forced to watch the Mariners' broadcast last night due to MLBtv's stupid blackout rules:

Are these the rally sluts at 0:11 and 0:18?

 

 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Seasick Sailor

[kevwun 15777]

I don't know how they still haven't gotten him to stop taking the first strike.  With as analytical as the Astros are, having one of your best hitters limit himself to 2 strikes per AB is crazy to me.  He lets a meatball go down the middle just about every damn at bat.  At least swing at them occasionally so the pitcher has to try to throw a good pitch.

Edited June 7, 2018 by kevwun

[TonyTexas 10510]

I know he missed about 6 weeks last year with the thumb ligament injury and about a week or so after he took a 95 mph fastball to the hand. But I don't recall him missing significant time due to injury other than that. Am I forgetting something? I remember he had shoulder soreness in September '16, but I don't recall him missing significant time. He has the fewest games played of anyone but Seager on the list I posted above, but he didn't play until June '15 and missed those 6-8 weeks last season. Guess I'm either forgetting some injuries or just not seeing the "made of glass" argument. He certainly hasn't missed 40+ every year due to injury. 

He broke his fibula in 2014 and missed half of the minor league season.

[henrygandorf 29189]

i haven't paid enough attention to yuli at 3rd, but is that a real possibility?  having jd at 1st instead of marwin playing everyday is something i'm interested to see play out.  the way gattis is swinging, we need him dh'ing every day.  but that still gives us plenty of flexibility in left and 1st (and 3rd i suppose).

[Mez2 4023]

49 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Was forced to watch the Mariners' broadcast last night due to MLBtv's stupid blackout rules:

Are these the rally sluts at 0:11 and 0:18?

 

 

Yes!!! 

[Mez2 4023]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

i haven't paid enough attention to yuli at 3rd, but is that a real possibility?  having jd at 1st instead of marwin playing everyday is something i'm interested to see play out.  the way gattis is swinging, we need him dh'ing every day.  but that still gives us plenty of flexibility in left and 1st (and 3rd i suppose).

yes, played there a few games this year already, Hinch has indicated he probably would at some points this season, and has spent the majority of his time as a professional there in Cuba. 

if marcus semien can be considered any everyday shortstop, yuli can fill is an occassional 3B

[Player 4575]

I wasn't able to go to the game last night, but the rally sluts look like they're pretty close to my seats. May have to invite Burt to a game so he can document for the other thread.