Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You don't think it's your duty not to lie while under oath?

I think one should do their best to answer honestly.  I also believe there is an obligation when questioning someone under oath to ask questions relevant to the allegation being discussed and not to ask questions to present a a dilemma that have no bearing on the truth of the allegations.  That is also a form of dishonesty.

Suppose you were a homosexual in he 1950s and you were on trial for molesting a kid.  The prosecution knows they don’t have a case against you, but he has also learned in his investigation that you are a homosexual.  He asks you under oath if you are a homosexual because he knows that this will impact how the jury sees you. How do you answer?  

 

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The question isn't what you would do, the question is what you think someone worthy of the SC should do. They are different things.

Feel free to say, "No, I don't think honesty is a requirement to be an SC justice." It's fine. It's 2018. People need to be open about what they believe.

Nothing is forbidden, just answer the question.

 

I would like for all SC justices to be perfect kantian saints.  

 

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

What can you ask about the alleged incident when questioning a guy about an event that he claims did not even remotely happen?   Hey, who else was at that party you say didn't exist?  Did Mark Judge say anything during the assault you say is a total fabrication at a non-existent party? 

There's nothing to ask him about the alleged incident besides whether there was such a party at all, whether he might have a memory lapse about it from his drinking, and whether he engaged in the kind of conduct that would be consistent with Dr. Ford's description of him. 

This reinforces the point I’m making.  There are no facts to even ask about regarding the incident.   So they played the political game that they did and took the opportunity to grandstand. 

[Hank Kingsley 21057]

Looks like the two women who confronted Flake at the elevator are the reason for the delay and FBI investigation.  Incredible. And awesome.

 

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, Aphelion said:

This reinforces the point I’m making.  There are no facts to even ask about regarding the incident.   So they played the political game that they did and took the opportunity to grandstand. 

Except for the part about the other relevant areas for questioning, which is exactly what the Dems focused on. 

[jimmyjazz 46189]

2 minutes ago, Aphelion said:

Suppose you were a homosexual in he 1950s and you were on trial for molesting a kid.  The prosecution knows they don’t have a case against you, but he has also learned in his investigation that you are a homosexual.  He asks you under oath if you are a homosexual because he knows that this will impact how the jury sees you. How do you answer?  

Hmmm.  Seems like I recall a major public figure getting impeached for perjuring himself about an office blow job.  Wish I could place the name . . . damn.

[thepop 4409]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Looks like the two women who confronted Flake at the elevator are the reason for the delay and FBI investigation.  Incredible. And awesome.

 

 

We don't know that but i'm going to assume the same.

[texasstrong12 4668]

This is why I can't understand why Republicans wouldn't want a FBI investigation. It at least gives them some cover now. We all know more evidence would eventually get leaked.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Looks like the two women who confronted Flake at the elevator are the reason for the delay and FBI investigation.  Incredible. And awesome.

 

 

 

Tonight on Tucker Carlson "Beta cuck Jeff snowFlake betrays county thanks to the influence of unhinged leftist feminazis."

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Huckleberry 33100]

Just now, Aphelion said:

I think one should do their best to answer honestly.  I also believe there is an obligation when questioning someone under oath to ask questions relevant to the allegation being discussed and not to ask questions to present a a dilemma that have no bearing on the truth of the allegations.  That is also a form of dishonesty.

Suppose you were a homosexual in he 1950s and you were on trial for molesting a kid.  The prosecution knows they don’t have a case against you, but he has also learned in his investigation that you are a homosexual.  He asks you under oath if you are a homosexual because he knows that this will impact how the jury sees you. How do you answer? 

"That question is irrelevant to the topic at hand and I see no reason why I should answer it one way or the other."

Refusing to answer a question is completely different than flat out lying under oath. You know this. He was asked a question about which there was no reason to lie and he lied anyway (whether he watched Ford's testimony). That's because he's a liar. And pretending that the things he lied about are irrelevant to his testimony is silly at best, intellectually dishonest at worst. He lied about watching Ford's testimony which would speak directly to his understanding of the allegations against him. He lied about the meaning of Devil's Triangle which speaks directly to his behavior around the time of the allegation. He lied about the meaning of boofing which also speaks to his behavior around the time of the allegation. These are just three of his lies which are related to the allegations.

Furthermore,  he was still in front of the Judiciary Committee with respect to his nomination to the Supreme Court. Any question relative to that nomination is relevant. This is important because we have learned during the hearings that he lied during his past appearances when appointed to the bench over a decade ago. He lied about his involvement in other nominations. He lied about his having received leaked information. He lied about knowing it was leaked information.

All of these lies were under oath and are acts of perjury.

He repeatedly lied in a nationally televised interview about his behavior during his school years. While not perjury, this is clearly relevant to the allegations that his behavior during that time of his life was reckless and also allegedly included assaults during parties where drinking occurred.

He is a repeated liar. Attempting to dance around that verifiable fact just makes you look bad.

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tonight on Tucker Carlson "Beta cuck Jeff snowFlake betrays county thanks to the influence of unhinged leftist feminazis."

Tucker's staffers currently scouring old Facebook entries of those two women.

Edited September 28, 2018 by retread

[HenryJames 66184]

 

[A-Tex Devil 2463]

Here's what seems readily apparent to me - if he didn't do this, he handled it all wrong yesterday.  I do not want a guy spouting things about democratic conspiracies, etc. on the supreme court.  He's a partisan hack that would make Scalia and Kagan blush.  The main thing I took from yesterday is that this is a dude that doesn't seem fit to be a judge.  Period.  ALet him get a TV show or run for Congress.  That's fine.  But show some fucking magnanimity for god's sake.  That little tirade on the front end was not judicial, dude.   

[Hank Kingsley 21057]

FBI investigation is a win-win for America, IMO. 

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Kavanaugh has been exemplary throughout his life. He won over the Republican base like I have rarely seen before with his performance yesterday. He conveyed the disgust we Republicans have with this disgraceful attempts at character assassination. I’m GLAD that he didn’t debase himself by answering the ridiculous charge from Swetnick and “lied” when asked to define bullshit teenage slang. The Republican Party is transforming to one that will fight you sons of bitches in the streets. Street battles between the left and right are going to be a regular occurrence within the next decade. I’m glad we are prepping for it with our attitude.

Just stop.  Hell's bells, I was a Republican for nearly 20 years, even worked on W's gubernatorial campaign and first Presidential campaign.

The Republican Party that is in your head is a fucking fantasy.

The "Republicans" who are willing to get out in the streets, and I use that term loosely as most seem to be more drawn to Trump than the GOP, turn into gutless fucking cowards the moment somebody whips out a phone and starts tweeting their photos or live-streaming.

All of the sudden, those brave "Republicans" in the streets start trying to tell everybody "That's not me, I swear, that's not who I am, I'm not a white supremacist, just ignore the tiki torch and the slogans I was chanting, because that's not who I am!  PLEASE DON'T POST THIS I'LL LOSE MY JOB, LOOK I'M SHITTING MYSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE DESTROYING MY LIFE!!!"

Many of the hardcore Republicans that are left aren't going to be engaging in any street battles anytime soon either, unless Rascal magics up some amazing new batteries for their scooters.

If that had been Merrick Garland up there bawling his eyes out, you would have been laughing at the cucked libtard snowflake who needs his safe space.  Instead, you pretend that's some kind of idealist rugged manly man that you look up to.

[Telegraph_it 3359]

5 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

This is why I can't understand why Republicans wouldn't want a FBI investigation. It at least gives them some cover now. We all know more evidence would eventually get leaked.

 

They were probably fine with it. Just didn’t want to do it because a dem said so. 

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20 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's done..... FBI Investigation happening.

 

And if Trumpkins don't like what the FBI has to say, then this will be another reason for Trump to start firing people left and right.  Or rather, try and get Kelly to start firing people left and right.

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

 

47 minutes ago, woohorn said:

Devil's Triangle uses "devil" because it is unholy. Triangle because 3some. Why would quarters with 3 glasses be devilish? My joke is that it is a specific variant of quarters that uses 2 shot glasses from the Empire State Building gift shop and one souvenir glass from Carlbad Caverns. Get it???

 

 

Point of order: The "Devil" part of it comes from the two dicks being likened to a pair of Devil's horns.

 

44 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Out of rep. Jesus Christ this is good.

I gotcha fam.

 

48 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Kavanaugh has been exemplary throughout his life. He won over the Republican base like I have rarely seen before with his performance yesterday. He conveyed the disgust we Republicans have with this disgraceful attempts at character assassination. I’m GLAD that he didn’t debase himself by answering the ridiculous charge from Swetnick and “lied” when asked to define bullshit teenage slang. The Republican Party is transforming to one that will fight you sons of bitches in the streets. Street battles between the left and right are going to be a regular occurrence within the next decade. I’m glad we are prepping for it with our attitude.

 

27 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Fat bubbas and olds won't win many street fights

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Don't forget the incels. And the tiki torch morans. And this guy:

 

[Captainant 27797]

4 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

if he didn't do this, he handled it all wrong yesterday.  I do not want a guy spouting things about democratic conspiracies, etc. on the supreme court.  He's a partisan hack that would make Scalia and Kagan blush. 

Well see now, you're just making chrispy and sacky and all the red hats want him more

[DDD Dad 14351]

BUT HE WENT TO YALE!

Funny story. Just traded emails with my
Brothers over an issue involving our mom selling a building she owns. My younger brother offered to have his friend “who went to Yale law school” look over papers pro bono (ignoring? The fact that I’m also a lawyer). I replied that “there’s a Kavanaugh joke in there somewhere” but refrained from making a political joke that might offend one or more of them.

To which he replied cryptically that the guy was also in his fraternity and would “leave it at that”.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

FBI investigation is a win-win for America, IMO. 

 

 

 

 

FBI releases statement:  We have completed our investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, however, due to DOJ norms we will wait until after the election before our findings are disclosed to the congressional committee or the public. 

Be best.

[Mdhorn 5987]

33 minutes ago, happyfunball said:

Another week of Kavanaugh news is going to be rough on R re-election polling. 

going to need more Rosenstein getting fired news drops. 

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34 minutes ago, happyfunball said:

Another week of Kavanaugh news is going to be rough on R re-election polling. 

Cruz has already suspended one debate with Beto because he didn't want to have to address the Kavanaugh fiasco.

[SimonBolivar 10960]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

And if Trumpkins don't like what the FBI has to say, then this will be another reason for Trump to start firing people left and right.  Or rather, try and get Kelly to start firing people left and right.

Yep win win win.

 

[triplehorn 2664]

With the FBI apparently on the way, I could see Swetnick's public disclosure getting put on hold in the interest of first talking to the feds this weekend. 

Then they go pay a visit to Brett.

[Captainant 27797]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Cruz has already suspended one debate with Beto because he didn't want to have to address the Kavanaugh fiasco.

Thanks for reminding me to call one of his offices to tell him he's a coward.

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

FBI releases statement:  We have completed our investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, however, due to DOJ norms we will wait until after the election before our findings are disclosed to the congressional committee or the public. 

Be best.

Well we have precedent now...

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And if Trumpkins don't like what the FBI has to say, then this will be another reason for Trump to start firing people left and right.  Or rather, try and get Kelly to start firing people left and right.

Oh man.  I didn't even think of the deep state implications here.  Awesome.

[G650 14278]

9 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

FBI investigation is a win-win for America, IMO. 

 

 

 

 

Yessir.

[A-Tex Devil 2463]

Seriously, between the Jacob Silj voice modulation disorder thing I referenced up thread with respect to the opening statement, and the other poster that likened "I went to Yale" to "I drive a Dodge Stratus", they need to get Will Ferrell on SNL this weekend to play Kavanaugh.  

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8 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Oh man.  I didn't even think of the deep state implications here.  Awesome.

We're talking about Donald Trump.   He's about as deep as my rain gutters - there's no deep state or long game here.  It's another chance for him to be passive-aggressive and whine on twitter about Sessions.

But let's say there's a long game.  If this was simply about getting a conservative judge through before the mid-terms, ACB is a more conservative and much "cleaner" candidate, who would sail through the confirmation for the most part.

Why isn't she warming up, or even stepping up to the plate?  The FBI investigation could easily make the GOP look really bad.

Is this simply about Trump being defiant?  Maybe, but he's been known to quickly cut loose people who prove embarrassing to him.

Why did Graham completely loose his shit yesterday?

Things are just not adding up.  Somebody is scared that Kavanaugh isn't going to be confirmed. 

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by atomheartbevo

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Considering the Russia thread has only moved a couple of posts this week I think Trump is probably loving this

[Incredulity 11683]

Anyone know what the "scope" of the FBI investigation is?  

I would assume to be limited to one week there are specific instructions.  Anyone?

[Mdhorn 5987]

The FBI investigation does another thing too.  If they give BK the green light, it also undermines the theory of the FBI going all deep state. 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Mdhorn

[Dahobbs 17685]

19 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Here's what seems readily apparent to me - if he didn't do this, he handled it all wrong yesterday.  I do not want a guy spouting things about democratic conspiracies, etc. on the supreme court.  He's a partisan hack that would make Scalia and Kagan blush.  The main thing I took from yesterday is that this is a dude that doesn't seem fit to be a judge.  Period.  ALet him get a TV show or run for Congress.  That's fine.  But show some fucking magnanimity for god's sake.  That little tirade on the front end was not judicial, dude.   

I think Scalia would have agreed with you. 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Dahobbs

[Patrick Bateman 3933]

 

[Captainant 27797]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Anyone know what the "scope" of the FBI investigation is?  

I would assume to be limited to one week there are specific instructions.  Anyone?

I haven't read the doc yet but CNN reported that it is constrained to "current credible allegations", so there's quite a bit of gray area on whether or not it's just Dr. Ford's allegations or if it includes Avenatti's which DOES have a signed affidavit by the alleged victim who is a federal employee, but has not been recognized by the judiciary committee republicans.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 minute ago, Mdhorn said:

The FBI investigation does another thing too.  If they give BK the green light, it also undermines the FBI going all deep state. 

nothing does that.  cf. "fake news."  any time WaPo or NYT publishes something that is favorable to the right, its because they got the story correct.  if it is unfavorable, it is fake.  I predict the same with FBI.  "even the deep state FBI couldn't come up with pretense to slander this God fearing man" / "FBI confirms its soft coup against the president by shading all this nonsense into some ridiculous crime."

[Incredulity 11683]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I haven't read the doc yet but CNN reported that it is constrained to "current credible allegations", so there's quite a bit of gray area on whether or not it's just Dr. Ford's allegations or if it includes Avenatti's which DOES have a signed affidavit by the alleged victim who is a federal employee, but has not been recognized by the judiciary committee republicans.

Well, that looks like another point to argue.

Certainly expect another doozy of a week.

 

Anyone ever figure out who wrote the NYT op-ed from what feels like 3 years ago?

 

[Mdhorn 5987]

1 minute ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

nothing does that.  cf. "fake news."  any time WaPo or NYT publishes something that is favorable to the right, its because they got the story correct.  if it is unfavorable, it is fake.  I predict the same with FBI.  "even the deep state FBI couldn't come up with pretense to slander this God fearing man" / "FBI confirms its soft coup against the president by shading all this nonsense into some ridiculous crime."

but it's yet another nail In that coffin along with never notifying the public Trump was being investigating while days before the election, declaring they were investigating Hillary's emails yet again.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13524]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Anyone know what the "scope" of the FBI investigation is?  

I would assume to be limited to one week there are specific instructions.  Anyone?

I would guess there will be a limited scope.  If Mark Judge starts to reference the dead body incident at Spring Break '85, the FBI agents will stop him from continuing down that path.

[Fozzz 152]

 

 

[Patrick Bateman 3933]

20 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Here's what seems readily apparent to me - if he didn't do this, he handled it all wrong yesterday.  I do not want a guy spouting things about democratic conspiracies, etc. on the supreme court.  He's a partisan hack that would make Scalia and Kagan blush.  The main thing I took from yesterday is that this is a dude that doesn't seem fit to be a judge.  Period.  ALet him get a TV show or run for Congress.  That's fine.  But show some fucking magnanimity for god's sake.  That little tirade on the front end was not judicial, dude.   

While I'm not sure he shouldn't be a judge, I do think he damaged his brand and the "objectivity" that SCOTUS nominees and justices ascribe to in public (even if they have their partisanship in private) wasn't adhered to.  He is an extremely partisan political operative who is being nominated to be "Trump's guy" and because McGahn can trust him to be in their corner if and when the time comes.  That's a fucking terrible precedent and very ugly.  He'll probably still get confirmed but he's a poor nominee and chances are he'll make a poor SCOTUS justice. 

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

Has DOTUS been seen in public the last day or so? If not, I'm speculating that someone (Kelly or Javanka, perhaps) has put him into a drug-induced coma for the duration of this shit show.

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[Patrick Bateman 3933]

Just now, High Plains Drifter said:

Has DOTUS been seen in public the last day or so? If not, I'm speculating that someone (Kelly or Javanka, perhaps) has put him into a drug-induced coma for the duration of this shit show.

He is/was meeting with a South American dignitary....

 

[Captainant 27797]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Well, that looks like another point to argue.

Certainly expect another doozy of a week.

Agreed. Seems sloppy from Grassley to not tighten up the language unless this is a tactic to distract more about what is and isn't credible while trying to run out his (again) arbitrary clock.

[SimonBolivar 10960]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

He is/was meeting with a South American dignitary....

 

Did you know there was a SOUTH America? Not a lot of people know that

[LongestHorn 759]

Mark Judge, the FBI wants to ask you some questions.

[Incredulity 11683]

Just now, Captainant said:

Agreed. Seems sloppy from Grassley to not tighten up the language unless this is a tactic to distract more about what is and isn't credible while trying to run out his (again) arbitrary clock.

Its going to get worse(the politics of this thing).

We will be right back in the same spot in a week.

[yoladu 4101]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

That's why I have that sneaky feeling the leak came foom somebody in Feinsteins office to somebody that actually then leaked it to a reporter.  This was used for maximum political effect.  And to those who say, no way I say, way.

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