Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread

[G650 14,263]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

The fbi investigation is not going to prove or disprove anything unless judge says ford was telling the truth.   Talking to him may be the complete scope of the one week investigation.    The WH dictates the scope of the investigation.  The fbi doesn’t have the remit to discover if a crime occurred.  It’s only an extension of a background check.

if judge just reads his statement over and over to the fbi, the investigation will be concluded. 

 

Whats ironic about kavanaugh is that he basically has gone down the same road as the bill clinton investigation.  Bill was investigated by Starr about real estate deals but they got bill lying about an embarrassing personal behavior.   Kavanaugh is being investigated for potential sexual assault but we all know he lied to Congress about embarrassing personal behavior.    You have to wonder if the senate flips Dem in ‘18 or ‘20, will Schumer pursue perjury charges against a sitting justice.     

We ALL know kavanaugh lied Thursday.  Maybe they were minor or inconsequential but is anything inconsequential when applying for the Supreme Court?

 

[Nivek 16,936]

8 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

If you every have any doubt about the long confirmed demographic difference in education and Trump support - just read this thread.  It's brought out the uninformed, the gullible, the dim conned angry men.   Ya know, MAGA peeps.  

You can tell the Fox watchers by the total lack of understanding the other side's position.    They are hearing most of what we are saying for the first on Surly, their Fox News and talk radio stations passing on Dear Leader's messaging.  Why of course if there is a he-said, she-said about assault in a room with three people, you definitely do not want to subpoena the third person.  That is crazy Librul talk!!!  

They are completely unaware of the facts that have come out, and have circled the herd like some musk ox convention.   Truly sad.  

I think this has long been established.  The GOP right doesn't deal in facts, they deal in alternative facts and emotion.   We hate Hillary cause she is a bitch.   We hate her cause... well we just do.   But really, they hate her for zero reason.   She was part of an administration that finished the job they started.    Their record on military accomplishments is akin to their record on economic financial accomplishments.   Lots of talk, few results.      

[Incredulity 11,675]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The fbi investigation is not going to prove or disprove anything unless judge says ford was telling the truth.   Talking to him may be the complete scope of the one week investigation.    The WH dictates the scope of the investigation.  The fbi doesn’t have the remit to discover if a crime occurred.  It’s only an extension of a background check.

if judge just reads his statement over and over to the fbi, the investigation will be concluded. 

 

Whats ironic about kavanaugh is that he basically has gone down the same road as the bill clinton investigation.  Bill was investigated by Starr about real estate deals but they got bill lying about an embarrassing personal behavior.   Kavanaugh is being investigated for potential sexual assault but we all know he lied to Congress about embarrassing personal behavior.    You have to wonder if the senate flips Dem in ‘18 or ‘20, will Schumer pursue perjury charges against a sitting justice.     

We ALL know kavanaugh lied Thursday.  Maybe they were minor or inconsequential but is anything inconsequential when applying for the Supreme Court?

 

Well if anything could be worse for the state of political discourse in the country than what has happened this week it would be perjury hearings over BOOF and Devils Triangle in a high school yearbook.

I guess that means it is an absolute certainty it will happen.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

15 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I’ve read about that.  Most think it wouldn’t give trump the power to pardon state crimes as the pardon power of crimes is limited for crimes against the United States . In other words federal crimes.     Now I suppose if trump pardoned someone that had been convicted/accused of a federal crime, it might be impossible for a state trial on the same charges.    

[bad_teammate 13,205]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The fbi investigation is not going to prove or disprove anything unless judge says ford was telling the truth.   Talking to him may be the complete scope of the one week investigation.    The WH dictates the scope of the investigation.  The fbi doesn’t have the remit to discover if a crime occurred.  It’s only an extension of a background check.

And if Trump limits the scope of the investigation for political (not time) purposes, that will get leaked and it will be an arrow in the Dem quiver for the 30 years that Kav is in the SC. The GOP is in a "damn the torpedoes" mode. They're rushing it like a horny guy on prom night without a condom who is thinking, "If a baby comes we'll deal with it later I just gotta nut right now."

Will the Dems have the spine to, in the near future, properly utilize the political capital they're being given now? I think we know the answer and the GOP knows the answer, too.

[G650 14,263]

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/571735/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Flake has the potential to be one of my more respected politicians. How much he pisses off everyone strengthens that case in my eyes.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

And if Trump limits the scope of the investigation for political (not time) purposes, that will get leaked and it will be an arrow in the Dem quiver for the 30 years that Kav is in the SC. The GOP is in a "damn the torpedoes" mode. They're rushing it like a horny guy on prom night without a condom who is thinking, "If a baby comes we'll deal with it later I just gotta nut right now."

Will the Dems have the spine to, in the near future, properly utilize the political capital they're being given now? I think we know the answer and the GOP knows the answer, too.

Yes.   The goal of this supplemental investigation is to appease 3 gop senators.  The 3 want to confirm kavanaugh.  They just want the fbi to say that nothing is there or that impossible to determine 35 years later.     It’s not ford’s responsibility to prove her accusations but she doesn’t have proof other than her word.   That won’t be enough to stop the confirmation.

and in some respects this week delay might be good for the gop.  It cools everyone down.  Trump will probably say something crazy about another topic, probably intentionally, late next week to divert attention from the fbi report and subsequent confirmation.  

[Aqua Buddha 14,598]

Cavanaugh's poll numbers get worse by the day, though.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,819]

8 hours ago, triplehorn said:

Mg

Dry ice will accomplish the same result if flushed.  My sister was an engineering student at Rice.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,585]

We don't need the FBI to tell us that Brett Kavanaugh, as a judge, at best is unable/unwilling to make the distinction between a refutation and a lack of recollection when he claimed party attendees disputed Ford's account, or at worst intentionally told a demonstrable falsehood under oath. That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this nomination but by itself should be more than enough to not only disqualify him from the SC, but from being a judge at all. He should be breathing a sigh of relief he's not yet going to jail, but I'm sure he'll continue to be outraged in his consequence-free world the elite are accustomed to. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

4 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

We don't need the FBI to tell us that Brett Kavanaugh, as a judge, at best is unable/unwilling to make the distinction between a refutation and a lack of recollection when he claimed party attendees disputed Ford's account, or at worst intentionally told a demonstrable falsehood under oath. That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this nomination but by itself should be more than enough to not only disqualify him from the SC, but from being a judge at all. He should be breathing a sigh of relief he's not yet going to jail, but I'm sure he'll continue to be outraged in his consequence-free world the elite are accustomed to. 

Interesting how the gop rails about the elites but it’s basically who they are.  They dumped palin pretty quickly when she wasn’t useful for them.   An Alaskan community college grad doesn’t fly in their circles in DC for long. 

[Anastasis 23,474]

47 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

It's true.  Tom Kane, who was at that brewski party on Kavanaugh's calendars, remembers Dr. Ford from this time frame because she was dating Garrett, who was also at that party.  Now, he believes his buddy, of course, but those underlying facts of how she knew this group are confirmed.

 

 

Isn’t Garrett the guy the internet identified that looked like Kavanaugh? Wait was he at the party? With Ford? If I’m the fbi that’s one of the first people I go talk to. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Anastasis

[bad_teammate 13,205]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Isn’t Garrett the guy the internet identified that looked like Kavanaugh? Wait was he at the party? With Ford? If I’m the fbi that’s one of the first people I go talk to. 

If by "the internet" you mean "Ed Whelan, who was leaked Ford's identity by the Republcians in the SJC and/or Kavanaugh himself", yeah.

lol

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Isn’t Garrett the guy the internet identified that looked like Kavanaugh? Wait was he at the party? With Ford? If I’m the fbi that’s one of the first people I go talk to. 

Yep, same guy.   We don't know if this is the party she remembers, though.  It's just a very consistent party on his calendar.   Her connection to the group was there, plus all three boys she remembers being there. 

[Anastasis 23,474]

4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Yep, same guy.   We don't know if this is the party she remembers, though.  It's just a very consistent party on his calendar.   Her connection to the group was there, plus all three boys she remembers being there. 

Seems like an important guy to talk to. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

What happened to the story about the 2 guys admitting to be ones who attacked Ford? I guess that proved to be fake. 

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

What happened to the story about the 2 guys admitting to be ones who attacked Ford? I guess that proved to be fake. 

Lindsay Graham said a couple of days ago that they were full of shit and one was "crazy as a loon." 

[bad_teammate 13,205]

nuke the mid-Atlantic?

 

[Anastasis 23,474]

Blood not thicker than water hazards. 

[Loco 3,752]

22 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Interesting how the gop rails about the elites but it’s basically who they are.  They dumped palin pretty quickly when she wasn’t useful for them.   An Alaskan community college grad doesn’t fly in their circles in DC for long. 

I agree...  Drain the swamp....  Ooooo  Life time appointment for a kid born/raised in DC privilege...  he will be the second SC judge from that tiny Prep School.  

 

side note...  I went to a small private prep school in VA...  We would have school ski trips and would be at resorts with other prep schools.   Shit I have seen at the hotels on those trips was matched only by the debauchery of Gator Growl.  Also the slang clarified for the panel by Bart O'Kavanaugh is laughable...  Boof = fart...  sure Bart, sure, all people boof

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

nuke the mid-Atlantic?

 

If that’s true he’s quite the little GOP scumbag.

trump should nominate him for the Supreme Court if this cavanaugh guy doesn’t work out. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8,349]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Blood not thicker than water hazards. 

Man, that's rough, but I guess he teed that one up for you. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

I would take exclusives from Top Rope Travis with a grain of salt.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Incredulity

[EuroHorn 3,265]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I would take exclusives from Top Rope Travis with a grain of salt.

Come on. It’s a tweet from the internet that supports his position. It’s got to be true

[WhatTheBuck 28,783]

18 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Lindsay Graham said a couple of days ago that they were full of shit and one was "crazy as a loon." 

Takes one to know one. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

1 minute ago, EuroHorn said:

Come on. It’s a tweet from the internet that supports his position. It’s got to be true

His source swears he is a close family friend.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

3 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Come on. It’s a tweet from the internet that supports his position. It’s got to be true

Deep thoughts from the guy who rushed over here to tell us about the 4chan prank on Avenatti. 

[bad_teammate 13,205]

*believes there's a child sex slavery ring in DC pizza restaurants*

*thinks it's ridiculous that a mid-Atlantic country club father wouldn't publicly support his daughter's rape accusation to protect his country club status*

lol

[JimmyJames 12,271]

8 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Come on. It’s a tweet from the internet that supports his position. It’s got to be true

His political position is that dr fords dad is an asshole? Talk about narrowing the issues. 

[bad_teammate 13,205]

Be skeptical of a partisan reporter, sure, but the story itself is completely believable and we certainly haven't heard anything to contradict it. It's how rape culture works.

[wildcat09 29,354]

I've got no idea who that guy on twitter is or if he's remotely credible, but this is pretty much all her father has said publicly since her identity was publicly revealed:

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Reached by phone on Tuesday, Ford’s father, Ralph Blasey Jr., offered a brief endorsement of his daughter. “I think all of the Blasey family would support her. I think her record stands for itself. Her schooling, her jobs and so on,” he said before hanging up. Moments later, after picking up the phone a second time, he added: “I think any father would have love for his daughter.”

He seems like a real great father.

[EuroHorn 3,265]

9 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Deep thoughts from the guy who rushed over here to tell us about the 4chan prank on Avenatti. 

Well I said it was a “rumor” in my post. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Be skeptical of a partisan reporter, sure, but the story itself is completely believable and we certainly haven't heard anything to contradict it. It's how rape culture works.

A WWE “reporter” is several grades below a partisan.

[bad_teammate 13,205]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I've got no idea who that guy on twitter is or if he's remotely credible, but this is pretty much all her father has said publicly since her identity was publicly revealed:

He seems like a real great father.

Jesus Christ, what a piece of shit.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I've got no idea who that guy on twitter is or if he's remotely credible, but this is pretty much all her father has said publicly since her identity was publicly revealed:

He seems like a real great father.

Not exactly full throated support there dad. 

“If someone asked any father, which would include possibly me, if they loved their daughter one would think they would probably say yes.”

Edited September 29, 2018 by JimmyJames

[bad_teammate 13,205]

Man, I wonder why this super timid woman who was raised by a country club Republican father wouldn't have immediately started shouting about her victimization to the world!

[JimmyJames 12,271]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Man, I wonder why this super timid woman who was raised by a country club Republican father wouldn't have immediately started shouting about her victimization to the world!

Do you know how tough it is to get a membership at that place? Shit ain’t easy. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Man, I wonder why this super timid woman who was raised by a country club Republican father wouldn't have immediately started shouting about her victimization to the world!

Well, unfortunately if we just proceed to mandatory castrations the species dies out.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Well, unfortunately if we just proceed to mandatory castrations the species dies out.

Lol. That must be the libs “final solution “ right? Is that from zero hedge? 

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Man, I wonder why this super timid woman who was raised by a country club Republican father wouldn't have immediately started shouting about her victimization to the world!

Thankfully, after her powerful testimony, I think even most Kavanaugh supporters believe that she's not fabricating that she was sexually assaulted by someone.   That said, it's odd that they no longer believe in the reliability of eyewitness testimony, after years of support for sending convicts to prison or the execution chamber based largely on witness ID. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Mojo Hand

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Well if anything could be worse for the state of political discourse in the country than what has happened this week it would be perjury hearings over BOOF and Devils Triangle in a high school yearbook.

I guess that means it is an absolute certainty it will happen.

if they verify those terms with his fellow classmates and they contradict him, then he's the one who made int an actual issue.  If it comes back as  threesome, and ffffff comes back as acronyms for something else he's proper fucked.  

And one week his enough time to do this, we heard that from more than one democrat. They'd never lie would they ?

[tantric superman 4,667]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

 

and in some respects this week delay might be good for the gop.

No it's not.  More and more credible people familiar with Kavanaugh and are going to neg him.  At some point, those folks on the fence are going to feel there is too much crap being thrown and lots of it is sticking.

Are we too far gone for Kavanaugh to pull out at this point so that the GOP can lock in the whine about him being railroaded?

[G650 14,263]

38 minutes ago, Loco said:

I agree...  Drain the swamp....  Ooooo  Life time appointment for a kid born/raised in DC privilege...  he will be the second SC judge from that tiny Prep School.  

 

side note...  I went to a small private prep school in VA...  We would have school ski trips and would be at resorts with other prep schools.   Shit I have seen at the hotels on those trips was matched only by the debauchery of Gator Growl.  Also the slang clarified for the panel by Bart O'Kavanaugh is laughable...  Boof = fart...  sure Bart, sure, all people boof

At the beach or one of the boarding schools?

[MixtyMotions 102]

I wonder how much of the FBI investigation will be performing tasks like checking out Judge's employment - tasks which the two multi-million dollar teams of Operation research" have already done but can't get on the record - and how much will be done performing tasks like interviewing Judge - tasks which only they can do.  You have to believe that the hit teams have already contacted a few thousand people, some of whom talk.  This is not to mention the hundreds who approached them.

[MaybeACoordinator 8,349]

Rumor out of DC from a connected source is that all gloves are off when it comes to Graham's opposition now. We might be finding out what was in the emails the Russians hacked.

 

[bad_teammate 13,205]

4 minutes ago, MixtyMotions said:

I wonder how much of the FBI investigation will be performing tasks like checking out Judge's employment - tasks which the two multi-million dollar teams of Operation research" have already done but can't get on the record - and how much will be done performing tasks like interviewing Judge - tasks which only they can do.  You have to believe that the hit teams have already contacted a few thousand people, some of whom talk.  This is not to mention the hundreds who approached them.

What teams are you talking about?

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

32 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I've got no idea who that guy on twitter is or if he's remotely credible, but this is pretty much all her father has said publicly since her identity was publicly revealed:

He seems like a real great father.

What a statement.  I’m a dad, so I’m kind of obligated to support her.  Don’t hold it against me.  

[G650 14,263]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

What teams are you talking about?

The R and D opposition research companies 

[bad_teammate 13,205]

Just now, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

What a statement.  I’m a dad, so I’m kind of obligated to support her.  Don’t hold it against me.  

"I'm sorry that my daughter's victimization is getting in the way of owning the libs." - Republican Dads