Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread

[Lurch 5921]

Does this state what questions were asked?  On my phone and can’t read it.  

Is any part of your statement false?
Did you make up any part of your statement?

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

Does this state what questions were asked?  On my phone and can’t read it.  

1) Is any part of your statement false? (Answer: No)

2) Did you make up any part of your statement? (Answer: No)

She passed both with flying colors.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

He's not reading anything, including the corroborating accounts published by Ronan Farrow and others confirming that the drunken debauchery was general knowledge among classmates.   He's got his take and is sticking to it, facts be damned. 

Fuck your opinion on what I believe.

 

[Incredulity 11541]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

Does this state what questions were asked?  On my phone and can’t read it.  

yes.

 

Two questions.

"Is any part of your statement false?"

"Did you make up any part of your statement?"

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Fuck your opinion on what I believe.

 

I haven't given an opinion on what you believe.  I've given an opinion on what you are doing.  And it's accurate. 

[Incredulity 11541]

3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Yeah, good luck jumping in on live TV to stop Democrats from asking Kavanaugh about the alleged gang rapes. 

another Spartacus opportunity

[jimmyjazz 45538]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The charge may be 2 hours old, but the his story has been going on for weeks now. So anybody who's heard how Kavanaugh has painted himself, and had a different picture of the guy would have said BS before today (you'd have thought).  What would any of you have done ?  Kept yer mouth shut cause yer scared of being called a liar ?

That is basically my point, why haven't more people who were at the parties or heard the rumors in school come forward ? 

You're posting on a forum full of people who eat and drink political news.  The average American is nowhere near as aware of what has been going on.  I tried to talk to my wife about it yesterday -- I had to spend 20 minutes or so bringing her up to speed.

Furthermore, the FOX interview seemed to be the catalyst for most of these people to speak up.  That's what finally came up on their radar, and they called "bullshit".  And as we see over and over again, for some reason the timeline along which people call "bullshit" seems to carry heavy import with some people.  Hmmm.  I wonder why?

[Gil Bang 25894]

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Anyone with experience with Polygraphs comment on that report?

Is a two question polygraph remotely normal?

Polygraphs are pseudoscience.  As I said earlier, you might as well give someone a tarot card reading.  It doesn't mean her allegations are false; it just means it is useless information for giving any indication either way.  

[tantric superman 4667]

The polygraph is irrelevant at this point.

[conVINCEd 21468]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I gotta tell ya.....I can't even find the fact that someone maintained a calendar in high school credible.  I can't think of any guy I knew who did so.  Add to that the fact that he KEPT it for 30 years?  That's just amazing.  I mean, I'm sure there's something to look at and tell whether it really is 30 years old, and if it's true.....man, that's just WEIRD.

I lnow a little bit about dating documents by looking at the ink and paper among other things, but it’s usually done on documents much older than this.  There was a guy many years ago who was caught forging letters from Lincoln using these methods. IIRC, he was artificially aging the paper.   I don’t believe it would have much use here, as the ink and paper would be nearly identical to what is available today.  You could certainly do a handwriting analysis using samples of his writing from that period and today.  Handwriting changes over time, and faking it is much harder than most people would think.

[David Dennison 18646]

Just now, Aphelion said:

Polygraphs are pseudoscience.  As I said earlier, you might as well give someone a tarot card reading.  It doesn't mean her allegations are false; it just means it is useless information for giving any indication either way.  

And yet every single employee of the FBI and CIA have to submit to one.

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Republicans wanted to polygraph everyone in the White House to find the person who steals shit off of Trump's desk? 

[Incredulity 11541]

Just now, Aphelion said:

Polygraphs are pseudoscience.  As I said earlier, you might as well give someone a tarot card reading.  It doesn't mean her allegations are false; it just means it is useless information for giving any indication either way.  

Be that as it may, what is reported above really struck me as being extremely brief in regards to questions.

Only experience I have with polygraphs what is portrayed on movies and tv.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Fozzz 152]

12 minutes ago, retread said:

The questioning in tomorrow's hearing can only related to Blasey-Ford's accusations, not the others (Grassley's orders) - CNN

Didn't Ford assert that Judge was in the room when the alleged assault took place?  Maybe I'm missing something, but his testimony could be helpful in determining the merit of Ford's accusations.  I'm sure Grassley has good reasons for not subpoenaing him, though.  

Edited September 26, 2018 by Fozzz

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

24 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Is it just me or does Kavanaugh's statement reflect a shifting narrative?

Well, yeah.  Because he's a fucking liar.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

21 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

So at 16 you would attend 10 parties where everyone knew women were being drugged and gang raped to fit in?

I certainly wouldn’t.  I might not have had the courage to report it.  But after the first gang rape I wouldn’t attend another.  Or 9 more like this lady alleges.   

And this lady is three years older than Kavanaugh.  Meaning he was 14-17 during the time period and she was 17-20.  

People are trying to malign me saying I’m claiming she deserved it.  Not at all.  If she’s telling the truth, string him up.  I just can’t get over going to parties ten times where gang rapes were happening.  It is hard to believe.  

I'm going to respond to this without any animosity because I think it's important that you understand.

I wasn't part of the social world involved, but I briefly attended an east coast boarding school a few years later (around 1990), and have some familiarity with the world of Brett Kavanaugh as it was in his high school days. 

I had no direct knowledge but I occasionally heard about events like the woman (Julie Swetnick) described. At that time, what she's talking about wasn't broadly understood to be gang rape. In the stories I heard, the victim was cast as a sort of plaything or willing participant, usually branded as a slut, and afterwards attained an extremely toxic and imprisoning sort of popularity that often culminated in substance abuse, depression and leaving school destination unknown. 

[HenryJames 65884]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I wasn't part of the social world involved, but I briefly attended an east coast boarding school a few years later (around 1990), and have some familiarity with the world of Brett Kavanaugh as it was in his high school days. 

Avatar checks out.

[bad_teammate 13132]

"I certainly wouldn't."

You can basically tease out a person's entire worldview from these three words. Not only does it demonstrate a lack of ability to empathize with others, it demonstrates that the highest conception of human motivation can be found in the speaker. He is the prism through which all light passes, and the patterns of light on the wall can only have come from his internal facets.

It's how white conservative guys think, basically. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Be that as it may, what is reported above really struck me as being extremely brief in regards to questions.

Only experience I have with polygraphs what is portrayed on movies and tv.

That is most everyone's experience with them.  They seem like a scientific instrument and so it is assumed that they work, but there is simply no way to measure deception with such devices.  The best we can do is measure physiological responses presumed to be linked with deception, but "There is no evidence that any pattern of physiological reactions is unique to deception. An honest person may be nervous when answering truthfully and a dishonest person may be non-anxious."   

http://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx

 

 

[sachick 1189]

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

 

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The Majority of Sexual Assaults Are Not Reported to the Police

Only 310 out of every 1,000 sexual assaults are reported to police. That means about 2 out of 3 go unreported.¹

• Individuals of college-age²
  • Female Students: 20% report
  • Female Non-Students: 32% report
• The elderly: 28% report³
• Members of the military: 43% of female victims and 10% of male victims reported.⁴

 

 

[Fozzz 152]

just win, baby

 

 

[Incredulity 11541]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I'm going to respond to this without any animosity because I think it's important that you understand.

I wasn't part of the social world involved, but I briefly attended an east coast boarding school a few years later (around 1990), and have some familiarity with the world of Brett Kavanaugh as it was in his high school days. 

I had no direct knowledge but I occasionally heard about events like the woman (Julie Swetnick) described. At that time, what she's talking about wasn't broadly understood to be gang rape. In the stories I heard, the victim was cast as a sort of plaything or willing participant, usually branded as a slut, and afterwards attained an extremely toxic and imprisoning sort of popularity that often culminated in substance abuse, depression and leaving school destination unknown. 

I wasn't anywhere near the East Coast private schools.  Of the public schools I attended each had the urban legend of the girl a few classes ahead who "did" the XXXXX team.  

That's not to say its never happened.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

"I certainly wouldn't."

You can basically tease out a person's entire worldview from these three words. Not only does it demonstrate a lack of ability to empathize with others, it demonstrates that the highest conception of human motivation can be found in the speaker. He is the prism through which all light passes, and the patterns of light on the wall can only have come from his internal facets.

It's how white conservative guys think, basically. 

r/im14andthisisdeep

[lemonlime 5503]

1 minute ago, sachick said:

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

 

 

 

I shudder to think what those numbers looked like in 1982.

[MixtyMotions 102]

6 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

I lnow a little bit about dating documents by looking at the ink and paper among other things, but it’s usually done on documents much older than this.  There was a guy many years ago who was caught forging letters from Lincoln using these methods. IIRC, he was artificially aging the paper.   I don’t believe it would have much use here, as the ink and paper would be nearly identical to what is available today.  You could certainly do a handwriting analysis using samples of his writing from that period and today.  Handwriting changes over time, and faking it is much harder than most people would think.

I know a little bit about trying to fill out a timesheet for a half month period, after not keeping any records.  It was my modus operandi.  And it is really hard, particularly if some "enemy" is trying to attack your records, which was my case.  The only way I could do it was to get the timesheets of others and fill out a grid which laid out everything each of them did with me.  

I can't imagine constructing a calendar for the Summer of 1982 with entries like attended Grease III with Suzanne.  I had trouble reconstructing days that were the .previous week.  He could delete an item but there is no way to create that from scratch.

[Yuk 1508]

Just now, Aphelion said:

That is most everyone's experience with them.  They seem like a scientific instrument and so it is assumed that they work, but there is simply no way to measure deception with such devices.  The best we can do is measure physiological responses presumed to be linked with deception, but "There is no evidence that any pattern of physiological reactions is unique to deception. An honest person may be nervous when answering truthfully and a dishonest person may be non-anxious."   

http://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx

 

 

You're right.  Polygraph shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Gil Bang 25894]

17 minutes ago, Aphelion said:

Polygraphs are pseudoscience.  As I said earlier, you might as well give someone a tarot card reading.  It doesn't mean her allegations are false; it just means it is useless information for giving any indication either way.  

Which is why the CIA, FBI, the U.S. Military, and private companies worldwide use them. 

[horncyclist 1384]

I wasn't anywhere near the East Coast private schools.  Of the public schools I attended each had the urban legend of the girl a few classes ahead who "did" the XXXXX team.  
That's not to say its never happened.

I said this above but this happened to a girl my age who was at the other high school. I heard the story from enough people that I am fairly confident it happened.

My wife went to Choate and isn't surprised by this.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s Flake telegraphing he’s probably going to be a no vote.  Why give that speech if you’re not going to back it up?  Oh wait, it’s Jeff Flake and he never backs his shit up...until he does. 

Regardless, that speech did not help Kavanaugh at all.

Your hardon for Jeff Flake is impressive.  He's about as Presidential as my daughter's guinea pig.  He is a horrible public speaker.  Sure, he looks like JFK -- and that's where the similarities end.

He might vote "no".  He might vote "yes".  He's a politician.  He's trying to see which way the wind blows.  He knows that speech isn't going to haunt him, because he basically "what-about-both-sides" the main points.  Sure, he scolded the right a bit.  But not TOO much.

He's a stuffed shirt, virtually worthless.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

So at 16 you would attend 10 parties where everyone knew women were being drugged and gang raped to fit in?

I certainly wouldn’t.  I might not have had the courage to report it.  But after the first gang rape I wouldn’t attend another.  Or 9 more like this lady alleges.   

And this lady is three years older than Kavanaugh.  Meaning he was 14-17 during the time period and she was 17-20.  

People are trying to malign me saying I’m claiming she deserved it.  Not at all.  If she’s telling the truth, string him up.  I just can’t get over going to parties ten times where gang rapes were happening.  It is hard to believe.  

It's almost as if YOU DON'T FUCKING READ TWO DOZEN RESPONSES THAT ALREADY LAID THIS OUT.

Fuck me, you are a monumental beating.

[Yuk 1508]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

Which is why the CIA, FBI, the U.S. Military, and private companies worldwide use them. 

They use them for different reasons.  It's not a rubber stamp of truthfulness.

[tantric superman 4667]

Random as hell, but from about 2 weeks ago this whole thing has reminded me of this scene from the indy Metropolitan flick.

 

[Gil Bang 25894]

 

[Chuckie Finster 22597]

Something interesting I noticed.   When the claims this morning first hit the board, even our most right-wing posters admitted Kavanaugh was probably done. Conservative twitter was completely silent for hours.  I'm sure some won't admit it now, but everyone on both side of the aisle can admit that in their gut, those allegations felt BAD.

But then, around lunchtime, a switch flipped.  Trump and the GOP Congress started voicing their defiant support of Kavanaugh.  Suddenly, the usual suspects on twitter started chirping and trying to shame Ms. Swetnick.  Even the posters on this very board have found their usual footing.

We now rely on our political parties to tell us how to feel.  Even when our gut tells us something is wrong, we will support it if the Great Leader tells us to.  How do you recover from that as a country?  How can you ever hope to unify a nation when people shun their core beliefs in order to cheer on their team?

[High Plains Drifter 10970]

44 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I know common sense went out the window a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure attention whores usually don't emerge for the first time at 55 years old after decades of government work.

Yes I know. Also, Soros doesn't pay people to make shit up about attempted rape. Hence, that post was a joke. Probably a bad joke, maybe even tasteless or uncouth-- I'll let you be the judge of that.

[Js1 85085]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Something interesting I noticed.   When the claims this morning first hit the board, even our most right-wing posters admitted Kavanaugh was probably done. Conservative twitter was completely silent for hours.  I'm sure some won't admit it now, but everyone on both side of the aisle can admit that in their gut, those allegations felt BAD.

But then, around lunchtime, a switch flipped.  Trump and the GOP Congress started voicing their defiant support of Kavanaugh.  Suddenly, the usual suspects on twitter started chirping and trying to shame Ms. Swetnick.  Even the posters on this very board have found their usual footing.

We now rely on our political parties to tell us how to feel.  Even when our gut tells us something is wrong, we will support it if the Great Leader tells us to.  How do you recover from that as a country?  How can you ever hope to unify a nation when people shun their core beliefs in order to cheer on their team?

Psh, they waited for Trump to take the lead to determine which way to go.  Trump tweeted, GOP congress fell in line, internet posters followed suit.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Js1

[Chuckie Finster 22597]

1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Yes I know. Also, Soros doesn't pay people to make shit up about attempted rape. Hence, that post was a joke. Probably a bad joke, maybe even tasteless or uncouth-- I'll let you be the judge of that.

Oh sorry, I figured it was a joke on your part.  But I've seen others make the claim.

[tantric superman 4667]

Yeah, don't paint over everyone with the idiotic brush reserved for the Trump morons.

[Fozzz 152]

We just need Trump to tweet out some (((Soros))) bribing allegations so Grassley can haul him in front of the committee for questioning.  Feels like the logical next step here. 

[Chuckie Finster 22597]

3 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Yeah, don't paint over everyone with the idiotic brush reserved for the Trump morons.

Yeah, probably was too general with the last paragraph, but I figured it didn't really need to be said on who I was highlighting for this example.

[Yuk 1508]

Just now, Fozzz said:

We just need Trump to tweet out some (((Soros))) bribing allegations so Grassley can haul him in front of the committee for questioning.  Feels like the logical next step here. 

Soros pays for each socialist post you make on Surly.  I'd normally be for putting kids in cages, but I need to save for my kids' college so hard choices were made.

[HornPhD 1364]

34 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Anyone with experience with Polygraphs comment on that report?

Is a two question polygraph remotely normal?

My youngest sister's husband is a polygrapher in the NCIS and did some work in Afghanistan. He received a DoD counterintelligence award for his polygraph work. I will ask him what he thinks.

[conVINCEd 21468]

9 minutes ago, MixtyMotions said:

I know a little bit about trying to fill out a timesheet for a half month period, after not keeping any records.  It was my modus operandi.  And it is really hard, particularly if some "enemy" is trying to attack your records, which was my case.  The only way I could do it was to get the timesheets of others and fill out a grid which laid out everything each of them did with me.  

I can't imagine constructing a calendar for the Summer of 1982 with entries like attended Grease III with Suzanne.  I had trouble reconstructing days that were the .previous week.  He could delete an item but there is no way to create that from scratch.

The actual forging on the calendar would be easier.  It’s mostly printed, as opposed to cursive, and while Susie might remember going to see Grease 2 with Brett, I doubt she would be able to nail the exact day. The hard thing with the calendar would be locating a 1982 NW Mutual calendar.

[woohorn 1131]

what insight could Ted Cruz possibly have about goings on at high school parties

Mime troupe ragers?

[DixonHur 11154]

38 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I don't consider it a high horse simply because I have never had sex with a woman who was so drunk she couldn't consent and who then felt dirty and embarrassed afterward (your description).

Bullshit.  First of all, you don't know how every woman you've slept with felt afterward.  Women have a totally different relationship with sex than men.  They will have sex with guys for many different reasons...drunkenness, feeling pressured, wanting to feel loved, not wanting to seem like a prude, etc.  These things might make them feel bad about themselves afterward.  That's what I'm talking about when I say many probably felt dirty and embarrassed.  It's about the situation, not the person.

So I repeat...have you never gone to a bar hoping to hook up with some girl who may have her inhibitions lowered from drinking? Have you never had a drunken one night stand after a frat party?  Never had a girl do the "walk of shame" from your apartment?  

45 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Well, it's not necessarily rape under today's standards.  Were they so drunk that they might not have been capable of consenting?

I don't know, when I say by today's standards,  I'm talking about this:

"Furthermore, because many rapes are facilitated by drugs or alcohol, the new definition recognizes that a victim can be incapacitated and thus unable to consent because of ingestion of drugs or alcohol."

Definition of Rape from Dept. of Justice

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what the legal definition of "incapacitated" is in this sense, but I do know that I was usually pretty fucked up, so I assume they were too. 

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

Holy shit. 

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Love it when huge groups of men argue about what women REALLY think and are REALLY like.

[hayden_horn 11360]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit.