Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread

[TwiceHorn 31415]

2 hours ago, elguapo said:

Would you prefer dumb fuck?

Sure.  It's more accurate and descriptive.  Troll has a meaning.

[Revolution512 1486]

It’s alarming and kind of fun watching you pretend you understand how things go. Socialism is cute, hasn’t worked anywhere.

Hopefully the liberal party can beat Trump, so far they don’t give me much hope. 

[David Dennison 18826]

Just now, Revolution512 said:

It’s alarming and kind of fun watching you pretend you understand how things go. Socialism is cute, hasn’t worked anywhere.

Hopefully the liberal party can beat Trump, so far they don’t give me much hope. 

Do you know what socialism is?

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

I never said Dems could screw this so bad. 

I think they've been brilliant throughout this whole thing. They've taken a pound of flesh from the GOP. This confirmation will doom a number of Republican senators.

The Ford hearing and aftermath have laid the foundation in public consciousness for a substantive investigation into Brett's lying on any number of things to Congress, many of which are plainly obvious today.

Go ahead and confirm him.  It will not end well.

[Skyline 325]

 

[EuroHorn 3232]

5 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

The Ford hearing and aftermath have laid the foundation in public consciousness for a substantive investigation into Brett's lying on any number of things to Congress, many of which are plainly obvious today.

Go ahead and confirm him.  It will not end well.

Wants more government 

but believes the government orchestrated  9/11

Edited October 4, 2018 by EuroHorn

[Revolution512 1486]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Do you know what socialism is?

Do you? I’d love an example on the scale of ours where it works.

[Revolution512 1486]

5 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

The Ford hearing and aftermath have laid the foundation in public consciousness for a substantive investigation into Brett's lying on any number of things to Congress, many of which are plainly obvious today.

Go ahead and confirm him.  It will not end well.

This is why a jury of your peers should scare everyone. No evidence necessary, emotion wins. 

[David Dennison 18826]

Just now, Revolution512 said:

Do you? I’d love an example on the scale of ours where it works.

Of course I know what it is. That means I know that no one on the left is calling for the United States to adopt socialism. 

 

[David Dennison 18826]

Just now, Revolution512 said:

This is why a jury of your peers should scare everyone. No evidence necessary, emotion wins. 

You can always waive your right to a jury trial.

[RomaVicta 29878]

It's kind of hard to call the FBI's work an investigation if it's true they didn't talk to witnesses and principals in this story. What's a better word?

Whitehouse whitewash. Shamelessness rules!

[Revolution512 1486]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Of course I know what it is. That means I know that no one on the left is calling for the United States to adopt socialism. 

 

You’re an absolute liar, sir. 

[David Dennison 18826]

Just now, Revolution512 said:

You’re an absolute liar, sir. 

Fine, who on the left is calling for common ownership of the means of production and distribution?

[triplehorn 2664]

7 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Wants more government 

but believes the government orchestrated  9/11

If a government holding itself accountable to telling the truth is "more government," you should want more government too.

This is the second time I can recall that you've lobbed made up truther shit.  funny that.  you mad.  

[hayden_horn 11362]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There’s a John McCain moment here for the Republican that wants it.  The whole country is watching and that is a huge opportunity to pass up for anyone intending a political future post Trump. 

Sorry bro, partisan politics out front should have told you the park is closed. 

[David Dennison 18826]

So according to the Washington Post, the FBI talked to exactly six people.

LOL

The White House can't even obfuscate competently.

[Jive Turkey 12591]

38 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

The classmate said that “Brett Kavanaugh had made up a rhyme using the REE NATE pronunciation of Renate’s name” and sang it in the hallways on the way to class. He recalled the rhyme going, “REE NATE, REE NATE, if you want a date, can’t get one until late, and you wanna get laid, you can make it with REE NATE.” He said that, while he might not be remembering the rhyme word-for-word, “the substance is 100 percent accurate.” He added, “I thought that this was sickening at the time I heard it, and it left an indelible mark in my memory.”

[Gengs1 2583]

This is perfectly executed, it does 2 things

 

1. Gets him to supreme court

2. Undermines the FBI like trump says so when they go after him he just points to the report 

[atomheartbevo 89603]

It’s easy to give the Dems credit, and they deserve some credit for blowing this thing wide-open as far as the public conscious is concerned.  

But damn have the Republicans been amazingly incompetent and tone-deaf. The incompetence is stunning. Mitch should have been able to push Kavanaugh through two weeks ago.

but they are just going to keep blaming the Dems on this one. 

[David Dennison 18826]

1 minute ago, Gengs1 said:

This is perfectly executed, it does 2 things

 

1. Gets him to supreme court

2. Undermines the FBI like trump says so when they go after him he just points to the report 

I hope Justice O'Kavanaugh gets all twitchy and cry at his hearings before the House Judiciary Committee.

[triplehorn 2664]

Marcy Wheeler shares my same observation:

 

the Future:  "too late"

[scottsins 1965]

6 hours ago, Jag102 said:

Yea, that's your published rate, not a single one of your clients pays that rate. Why don't you just go ahead and say your rate is $9000 an hour, your still gonna get the same amount, not that, please. I like the statment "Even if he is completely innocent...", if he is innocent, then he gets the job. You don't like the way he defended his innocence, so he gets the same result as if he was guilty. Is that justice...?

* you’re

[scottsins 1965]

Some of y’all give the electorate WAY too much credit.  The confirmation won’t cost the GOP shit in the midterms.

General public:  “Dems were really going after this guy.  He ended up on SCOTUS.  Dems must have been wrong about him and just being assholes I guess.”

Thats the extent of analysis from the morons that comprise a huge swath of voters.  Most Americans couldn’t name 3 SCOTUS cases if asked, and y’all think that some “judicial temperament” or”forced cloture without comprehensive vetting” shit is going to resonate with them.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Link?

 

Listening to a local radio station yesterday on the way home from work, and they were talking with A reporter (didn't catch his name) about the upcoming races. He was expressing surprise at that, and thought just the opposite would have been happening with Trump in office.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

5 hours ago, Revolution512 said:

Brilliant at what exactly? 

Not really sure brilliant means what you think it means 

[Enchubben 5509]

11 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

It's all about credibility when it's a he-said she-said.  He lied like a motherfucker about a ton of shit.  Why should I believe somebody that tells me that they've never been blackout drunk when they have just lied about everything from a Devil's Triangle to having no connection to Yale?

Why should you believe an accuser who Lied about her fear of flying and preparing people for polygraphs tests?

[horncyclist 1387]

So wait, the FBI conducted an investigation and was not allowed to talk to the either the accused or the accuser? Give me a fucking break.

[MixtyMotions 102]

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/executive_calendar/xcalv.pdf

[Buzzrock 14895]

So wait, the FBI conducted an investigation and was not allowed to talk to the either the accused or the accuser? Give me a fucking break.

I don’t know if that’s true or not, but they both just testified in front of the committee. What else would the FBI have asked them?

This is sort of starting to sound like it doesn’t matter what the FBI does, it will never be enough. A few days ago all some people wanted was to have Judge interviewed (myself included). That apparently has happened.

[horncyclist 1387]

I don’t know if that’s true or not, but they both just testified in front of the committee. What else would the FBI have asked them?

This is sort of starting to sound like it doesn’t matter what the FBI does, it will never be enough. A few days ago all some people wanted was to have Judge interviewed (myself included). That apparently has happened.

The FBI is trained to ask questions and the spectacle before the committee was no substitute. They could have gotten additional information from Ford that would have informed the questioning of the other witnesses. All of the information from the 8 additional witnesses could have informed questioning of Kavanaugh. This is how investigations are done. You start with the complainant and finish with the target. This investigation was a sham.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

I don’t know if that’s true or not, but they both just testified in front of the committee. What else would the FBI have asked them?

This is sort of starting to sound like it doesn’t matter what the FBI does, it will never be enough. A few days ago all some people wanted was to have Judge interviewed (myself included). That apparently has happened.

Maybe the FBI could just get Kav to answer the questions he refused to answer during the hearing.


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[MixtyMotions 102]

58 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

So wait, the FBI conducted an investigation and was not allowed to talk to the either the accused or the accuser? Give me a fucking break.

The FBI was looking for anybody who had new info (saw) on whether Kavanaugh:

1. was at the party described by Ford

2. sexually assaulted Debbie Ramirez

3. organized or participated in gang rapes

They weren't looking for random new dirt on Kavanaugh.  Ford and Kavanaugh had already provided their potential witness lists.  (Kavanaugh had none.  Ford had Judge, Smyth and Kersey.)  Swetnick had not provided any.

I have not heard of anybody other than Ford claiming  knowledge of an assault, or anybody somebody else says might have knowledge of an assault.  Have you?

 

Look, if there is, for example, somebody at Yale who says "I saw Kavanaugh put his penis in Debbie's face" we should have heard from them.  If they say "I heard somebody who heard somebody who ..." then we don't.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2018 by MixtyMotions

[horncyclist 1387]

The FBI was looking for anybody who had new info (saw) on whether Kavanaugh:
1. was at the party described by Ford
2. sexually assaulted Debbie Ramirez
3. organized or participated in gang rapes
They weren't looking for random new dirt on Kavanaugh.  Ford and Kavanaugh had already provided their potential witness lists.  (Kavanaugh had none.  Ford had Judge, Smyth and Kersey.)  Swetnick had not provided any.
I have not heard of anybody other than Ford claiming  knowledge of an assault, or anybody somebody else says might have knowledge of an assault.  Have you?
 
Look, if there is, for example, somebody at Yale who says "I saw Kavanaugh put his penis in Debbie's face" we should have heard from them.  If they say "I heard somebody who heard somebody who ..." then we don't.
 
 

You have no idea how investigations work. Maybe this wasn't that kind of investigation but it stood little to no chance of bringing out the truth

Here's an example. The Safeway thing. I would want to know:

(1) From Ford: Do you know which Safeway? Did you go there often? Was anyone with you? When did you remember this incident of seeing Judge at Safeway? Why didnt you bring g it up earlier?

(2) From Judge? When did you work at Safeway? Did you ever see Dr. Ford there? How did you know Dr. Ford? You described in your book going to work intoxicated, how often did that happen?

(3) Do you recall Judge working at Safeway? Did he ever talk to you about that Job? Did he ever tell you about seeing Ford there? Etc. Etc.

[Buzzrock 14895]

Maybe the FBI could just get Kav to answer the questions he refused to answer during the hearing.


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How would they do that?

[MixtyMotions 102]

It wasn't supposed to be an investigation.  It was a reopening of the background check to cover a few, potentially explosive pieces of info.  The three GOP Senators wanted the people (e.g. Judge) I listed checked out.  It was cover for swing vote Senators.

Edited October 4, 2018 by MixtyMotions

[burntorangebongos 10710]

 

[GabrielsHorn 2183]

8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there are actually witnesses that corroborate her testimony outside of her telling people years later, and the FBI did talk to the named people at the party?

[G650 14214]

12 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

 Oh so now we’re all “poors?” And your subscription to the Wall Street journal is the “most satisfying money I spend every month?”

Man I hope youre a troll because otherwise you’re the saddest sack of shit I’ve seen in a while.

Iconoclast is one of the poors. The Journal is straight middle class garbage these days 

[bernorange 8357]

4 hours ago, scottsins said:

Some of y’all give the electorate WAY too much credit.  ...

As a joke, I posted this quote from Kavanaugh's testimony in "beer threads" on a few forums that I frequent (including here on Surly) :

Quote

I drank beer with my friends.  Almost everyone did.  Sometimes I had too many beers.  Sometimes others did.  I liked beer.  I still like beer.

It's been amusing to watch how many people don't recognize it.

Edited October 4, 2018 by bernorange

[Js1 85227]

7 hours ago, Revolution512 said:

This is why a jury of your peers should scare everyone. No evidence necessary, emotion wins. 

When I was at jury duty on Tuesday, the video was like "Wouldn't you like to be judged by the jury of your peers?" I looked around and went "hell fucking no, these people are idiots."

[Homercles 10205]

This thread has gotten gross now that the old timer usual suspects have unfortunately returned.

Shoo - go away again.

Only when it appears kavanaugh is going to get pushed across the finish line. They were totally absent during her testimony, had to get their talking points from Mitch

[atomheartbevo 89603]

Dotard has probably seen the report already, after it was restricted in scope.  

On the one hand, the GOP still seems like they have to confirm him at all costs, up to and including putting more midterm seats at risk  

On the other, Mitch doesn’t seem to have the votes, and Trump is not helping with his rally appearances. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Buzzrock 14895]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

When I was at jury duty on Tuesday, the video was like "Wouldn't you like to be judged by the jury of your peers?" I looked around and went "hell fucking no, these people are idiots."

Well, anecdotally, a hard core Trumper juror found Manafort guilty despite really wanting him to be innocent.

[Pam Cummings 9633]

2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

Why should you believe an accuser who Lied about her fear of flying and preparing people for polygraphs tests?

A proven liar under oath should not be on the supreme court.....quit deflecting.

[safe sex 11696]

34 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Dotard has probably seen the report already, after it was restricted in scope.  

On the one hand, the GOP still seems like they have to confirm him at all costs, up to and including putting more midterm seats at risk  

On the other, Mitch doesn’t seem to have the votes, and Trump is not helping with his rally appearances. 

The report for the Dotard consisted of either a green smilie face or a red frowny face. There was no other information provided to him.

[horncyclist 1387]

I think the Dems need to back off at this point and either let republicans confirm him or let him fail because 3 republicans cannot support them. His confirmation or withdrawal is inevitable at this point so we they need to focus on the maximizing the political gain.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13496]

Surprised that trump hasn’t reported that the fbi report exonerated kavanaugh.  He’s not one to let others report the news that he has access to first.

[DDD Dad 14313]

Surprised that trump hasn’t reported that the fbi report exonerated kavanaugh.  He’s not one to let others report the news that he has access to first.

Wasn’t there a statement from the WH to this effect already last night?

[MixtyMotions 102]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Surprised that trump hasn’t reported that the fbi report exonerated kavanaugh.  He’s not one to let others report the news that he has access to first.

I will guess that he's had 64 pleas not to antagonize Flake, Collins and Murkowski, and he'll bite his tongue for a few hours.